Saitama&Garou resistance to Antimatter manipulation

[MrTayman616]

Saitama and Garou should get resistance to antimatter manipulation.

For their time travel, with their matter manipulation, what they did was a C-symmetry "Charge", where all his particles became anti particles and the opposite. when he fusioned with the saitama of the past, what was supposed to happen is annihilation. Because when particles interacts with antiparticles it causes annihilation. both future and past Saitama was supposed to get annihilated but it didnt happen.

And before time travel starts, they are shown to possess both particles and antiparticles at the same time. Same for Garou who's radiation created as many particle-antiparticle pair as the amount of particles in his body. His body was full of anti particles, and while it was happening he couldn't even perform the technique. Which shows both of them can't get erased because of it

Edit: There is Gamma ray burst as well. Saitama was very close to the center of the GRB, he was very close to it (like 20-50 meters? probably less), things like Pair Production and Annihilation is guaranteed there, like other high energy phenomenas like Photodisintegration and Photofission. Yet Saitama completely resist everything from the GRB with no visible damage or anything like that.

Saitama already has resitance to Photodisintegration and Photofission based on GRB. He should have resistance to Antimatter manipulation as well.

 

[Phoenks]

I think Saitama should have resistance to anti-matter, now that you mention this, however I do not think there is any basis for existence erasure resistance.

But yeah Saitama being able to have anti-matter particles inside him and not just get blown up is probably some resistance to antimatter.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Idk about the wiki but Anti matter doesn't exactly... Make things stop existing. To cite Wikipedia
"A collision between any particle and its anti-particle partner leads to their mutual annihilation, giving rise to various proportions of intense photons (gamma rays)"

 

[Phoenks]

we accept antimatter attacks as existance erasure. the only difference here is that saitama did it himself. but how it works is still the same.

I don't believe so.

Existence erasure doesn't exist in the real world. It violates the Law of Conservation of Mass. "Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed."

Anti-matter colliding with matter results in the mutual destruction of both objects at the sub-atomic level, but it doesn't actually ERASE the mass, it just transforms it.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I disagree about EE

 

[Tural2004]

I agree with resistance to Anti-Matter Manipulation FRA.

 

[MrTayman616]

Idk about the wiki but Anti matter doesn't exactly... Make things stop existing. To cite Wikipedia
"A collision between any particle and its anti-particle partner leads to their mutual annihilation, giving rise to various proportions of intense photons (gamma rays)"

thats true. When particles interact with their corresponding antiparticles, annihilation happens. which causes the production of new energy. it transforms their mass into a new energy.

I don't believe so.

Existence erasure doesn't exist in the real world. It violates the Law of Conservation of Mass. "Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed."

Anti-matter colliding with matter results in the mutual destruction of both objects at the sub-atomic level, but it doesn't actually ERASE the mass.

oh thats true. it causes the production of new energy. i fell into how fiction interprets it

it should get antimatter manipulation

 

[Qawsedf234]

when he fusioned with the saitama of the past, what was supposed to happen is annihilation. because when particles interacts with antiparticles it causes annihilation

Saitama stopped being made of anti-particles when he stopped traveling backwards in time. It's why Genos' core didn't instantly explode when he punched CF Garou.

Even AM resistance I'm not sure about since he would only get thst when he becomes anti-matter and that only happens when he time travels.

 

[MrTayman616]

Saitama stopped being made of anti-particles when he stopped traveling backwards in time. It's why Genos' core didn't instantly explode when he punched CF Garou.

Even AM resistance I'm not sure about since he would only get thst when he becomes anti-matter and that only happens when he time travels.

genos's core is weird. it also time traveled but no fusion or whatsoever as well. did it even had a "Charge". dunno. thats why i dont think it should be counted. also if it was like that it would explode when saitama was reversing time as well.

or you can say like first saitama had a C-symmetry then started going backwards in time because garou was still talking to saitama when saitama did it. saitama would get destroyed there as well if he didnt have resistance i think?

 

[Qawsedf234]

if it was like that it would explode when saitama was reversing time as well.

Saitama would've also reversed the atoms of the core as well, which is how it followed him.

then started going backwards in time because garou was still talking to saitama when saitama did it. saitama would get destroyed there as well if he didnt have resistance i think?

Garou was also reversing time as well, meaning both were becoming anti-matter. Overall I don't think a resistance is warranted as of now.

 

[Phoenks]

Saitama would've also reversed the atoms of the core as well, which is how it followed him.



Garou was also reversing time as well, meaning both were becoming anti-matter. Overall I don't think a resistance is warranted as of now.

?

If Saitama is able to become anti-matter at all, that would mean anti-matter in general does not affect him in the same way it does normal mass. I don't see why it wouldn't be a resistance..

 

[Qawsedf234]

If Saitama is able to become anti-matter at all, that would mean anti-matter in general does not affect him in the same way it does normal mass.

It's just flipping his atoms state from one to another rather than resisting the interaction itself. At least that's how I view it.

 

[MrTayman616]

Saitama would've also reversed the atoms of the core as well, which is how it followed him.



Garou was also reversing time as well, meaning both were becoming anti-matter. Overall I don't think a resistance is warranted as of now.

dunno, the core didnt have a fusion nor it wasnt mentioned but it must happen otherwise why would it even effect it.. and it would mean they can control the matter of other things. if so garou could just touch saitama and boom?

also then both would be in the same place when they were reversing time if both can interact with each other to begin with. and at the end of 168 we saw garou disappear. but we also saw his physical state just before disappearing at 169. if garou traveled backwards in time, it means it was after saitama did it and before he disappeared.

and this panel shows that either saitama already had antiparticles inside his body(should give resistance) or he also created antiparticles inside his body like garou's cosmic rays did. if none of those, it means all of his particles didnt become antiparticles at the same time(i dont think so since they were in pairs inside saitama's body as well. but possible. would still give resistance considering interactions).
considering they were in pairs, saitama creating them like how garou's cosmic rays created them with pairs makes sense to me.
the best result would be saitama first created antiparticles inside his body equal to the number of particles inside his body like garou's cosmic rays then made them imitate each other. i think it should give resistance to him.

an argument might be that the particles inside of him didnt interact at all but considering that they are inside of a human body and they are in pairs. it would take microseconds or shorter for them to interact. which would give them reaction speed to do it(i'd be happy with it either :d) or they also manipulated them in a way to not interact with each other, it is possible but no info about it.

either way i think it should give him resistance for it.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Disagree, It didn't make sense

 

[DaReaperMan]

Some characters can EE via Antimatter, yes. But that is not the realistic interpretation of the ability.

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Positron is the current leader of the Freedom Phalanx and one of the Surviving Eight While working for Crey Industries, Dr. Raymond Keyes developed a high-tech battle suit that allowed him to channel bolts of anti-matter into fierce attacks. The suit, developed under the false pretense of being...

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Positron here mixes Antimatter and actual particles in his body to release Radiation and whatnot, but he has no proof of EE, not even when he loses control of his abilities.

 

[MrTayman616]

Some characters can EE via Antimatter, yes. But that is not the realistic interpretation of the ability.

Positron

Positron is the current leader of the Freedom Phalanx and one of the Surviving Eight While working for Crey Industries, Dr. Raymond Keyes developed a high-tech battle suit that allowed him to channel bolts of anti-matter into fierce attacks. The suit, developed under the false pretense of being...

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Positron here mixes Antimatter and actual particles in his body to release Radiation and whatnot, but he has no proof of EE, not even when he loses control of his abilities.

yeah i put existence erasure based on how fiction interprets it. its wrong.

right now its for resistance to antimatter manipulation.

 

[Phoenks]

It's just flipping his atoms state from one to another rather than resisting the interaction itself. At least that's how I view it.

???? What do you mean? He has both normal and anti particles in his body simultaneously. It says they were generated in pairs. For him to not immediately deconstruct means he's unaffected by the standard physics that'd happen there.

I don't really get your interpretation. This seems pretty cut and dry. Having pairs of particles and anti particles making up your body is not physically possible without exploding.

 

[Qawsedf234]

He has both normal and anti particles in his body simultaneously

He only has those because of Garou's cosmic radiation. Then he just had his particles mimic the flow of the generated anti-particles. I'm just not really seeing where the resistance is coming from, since Genos' core also survives it and from how the manga is worded this is just a byproduct of another character's power.

Like to have AM resistance you have to resist the collision between those anti-atoms and your own, but from how I read it they never actually touched each other.

 

[Golden_Void]

I already have antimatter accepted in a thread where the edits never happened smh

OPM Monster Association Arc God-Tiers Revision

Awakened Garou (parallel timeline): Should have dimensional BFR and travel via copying Blast (this is also used for teleportation on Blast's profile) replaces/adds to regular BFR For the same reason he has overwhelming aura he should also have social influencing for fear Light manipulation...

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[MrTayman616]

He only has those because of Garou's cosmic radiation. Then he just had his particles mimic the flow of the generated anti-particles. I'm just not really seeing where the resistance is coming from, since Genos' core also survives it and from how the manga is worded this is just a byproduct of another character's power.

Like to have AM resistance you have to resist the collision between those anti-atoms and your own, but from how I read it they never actually touched each other.

first it would mean he cant use it without garou creating antiparticles for him. doesnt make sense for all those talks and etc.

also you dont expect me to believe garou's cosmic rays created antiparticles for ALL of saitama's particles and all of them are their corresponding particles and weirdly they dont interact at all? also doesnt make sense because it creates them in pair.

even if we say its true and this happens, if garou's cosmic rays are even capable of it that easily. he could just make them interact and kill saitama anytime the whole time?

I already have antimatter accepted in a thread where the edits never happened smh

OPM Monster Association Arc God-Tiers Revision

Awakened Garou (parallel timeline): Should have dimensional BFR and travel via copying Blast (this is also used for teleportation on Blast's profile) replaces/adds to regular BFR For the same reason he has overwhelming aura he should also have social influencing for fear Light manipulation...

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they already have antimatter manipulation. this one is for resistance

 

[Phoenks]

He only has those because of Garou's cosmic radiation. Then he just had his particles mimic the flow of the generated anti-particles. I'm just not really seeing where the resistance is coming from, since Genos' core also survives it and from how the manga is worded this is just a byproduct of another character's power.

Like to have AM resistance you have to resist the collision between those anti-atoms and your own, but from how I read it they never actually touched each other.

Particles in matter never actually directly touch each other because they can not occupy the same space at the same time. Being close enough that they are mutually affecting each other like that would still immediately cause deconstruction in a normal case.

 

[MrTayman616]

saitama and garou should have antimatter resistance.

both had particles and antiparticles at the same time inside their bodies. all of their particles had their corresponding particles and they were in pairs. it should give them a resistance for not getting affected by it.

even if we say they only had antiparticles inside their body and the moment saitama did it, he started to travel backwards in time.

garou did the technique first. saitama then perfected it, presumably garou copies it from saitama and does it or something else, doesn't matter because in the end saitama uses it first. it means garou wasn't getting affected by the antiparticles inside his body or the matter around him.

 

[DavidTPPM]

saitama and garou should have antimatter resistance.

Then open a specific thread for it.

both had particles and antiparticles at the same time inside their bodies. all of their particles had their corresponding particles and they were in pairs. it should give them a resistance for not getting affected by it.

What? Why would that give any resistances?

 

[MrTayman616]

Then open a specific thread for it.

What? Why would that give any resistances?

existing without getting "destroyed" even when they are full of antiparticles.

all his particles is in pairs with antiparticles. inside a human's body + all his particles has their corresponding particles with them and that they attract each other(since particles and antiparticles being opposite charged.). it would take like femtoseconds for them to collide. its above their reaction or perception lvl. it would definitely happen.

also garou couldn't use time travel. he did it after saitama doing it. before that moment. all of his particles had their corresponding particles with them and they were mimicking each other. he would get destroyed by the matter around him.

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump.

There is Gamma ray burst as well. Saitama was very close to the center (Black hole) of the GRB, things like Pair Production and Annihilation is guaranteed, like other high energy phenomenas like Photodisintegration and Photofission. Yet Saitama completely resist everything from the GRB with no visible damage or anything like that.

Saitama already had resitance to Photodisintegration and Photofission based on GRB. He should have antimatter resistance as well

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Not EE, that's for sure, since the interaction between matter and antimatter converts both in energy afaik, which is not erasing it from existence but changing their state.

But I agree something in the lines of resistance to anti matter Manipulation, or just matter manipulation to a sub atomic to macro quantum level would work

 

[MrTayman616]

Not EE, that's for sure, since the interaction between matter and antimatter converts both in energy afaik, which is not erasing it from existence but changing their state.

For EE, i was fooled by overpowered characters back then :d

 

[JnSteHar002]

Agree

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

yeah this makes sense, (would be funny if this eventually gives him EE resistance)

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[MrTayman616]

He only has those because of Garou's cosmic radiation. Then he just had his particles mimic the flow of the generated anti-particles. I'm just not really seeing where the resistance is coming from, since Genos' core also survives it and from how the manga is worded this is just a byproduct of another character's power.

Like to have AM resistance you have to resist the collision between those anti-atoms and your own, but from how I read it they never actually touched each other.

They exist while both of them consists antiparticles, which there are as many antiparticles as there are particles in their body and all of them in pairs.

There is also Gamma ray burst as well. Saitama was very close to the center of the GRB, he was very close to it (like 20-50 meters? probably less), events like Pair Production and Annihilation is guaranteed there, like other high energy phenomenas like Photodisintegration and Photofission. Yet Saitama completely resist everything from the GRB with no visible damage or anything like that. Which Saitama in his profile already has resistance to Photodisintegration and Photofission because of GRB. he should have resistance to Antimatter manipulation as well.

 

[Phoenks]

Particles in matter never actually directly touch each other because they can not occupy the same space at the same time. Being close enough that they are mutually affecting each other like that would still immediately cause deconstruction in a normal case.

I mean this still applies.

We are looking at these scans which are literally at the sub-atomic, if not macro-quantum level. Of course the particles will not show to directly touch one another / overlap.

That would violate the Pauli exclusion principle:

Pauli exclusion principle - Wikipedia

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What matters is that they are still close enough to directly and massively influence each other. Meaning it would still be resistance to anti-matter regardless.

If you agree that he possessed pairs of particles and anti-particles simultaneously without disintegrating, then this is just clear-cut resistance. I see no argument.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you agree that he possessed pairs of particles and anti-particles simultaneously without disintegrating, then this is just clear-cut resistance. I see no argument.

Alright then. I guess its fine.

 

[MrTayman616]

This can be added and closed then. Nevermind this pls :d

 

[MrTayman616]

I mean this still applies.

We are looking at these scans which are literally at the sub-atomic, if not macro-quantum level. Of course the particles will not show to directly touch one another / overlap.

That would violate the Pauli exclusion principle:

Pauli exclusion principle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What matters is that they are still close enough to directly and massively influence each other. Meaning it would still be resistance to anti-matter regardless.

If you agree that he possessed pairs of particles and anti-particles simultaneously without disintegrating, then this is just clear-cut resistance. I see no argument.

Garou Resistances:
Antimatter Manipulation (Unaffected by the antiparticles created by his cosmic rays. He wasn't annihilated despite having as many antiparticles as there are particles in his body)
Saitama Resistances:
Antimatter Manipulation (Unaffected by having as many antiparticles as there are particles in his body)

is it fine like this or Gamma ray burst part isn't necessary?

 

[Phoenks]

Garou:
Antimatter Manipulation (Unaffected by the antiparticles created by his cosmic rays. He wasn't annihilated despite having as many antiparticles as there are particles in his body)
Saitama:
Antimatter Manipulation (Unaffected by having as many antiparticles as there are particles in his body. He wasn't annihilated by the Gamma Ray Burst, an explosion of high-energy gamma rays in which particle-antiparticle pairs are created when they interact with matter, even though he was hit at close range, where such pairs are guaranteed to form.)

is it fine like this or Gamma ray burst part isn't necessary and should be deleted?

Gamma ray burst has nothing to do with this.

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump