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What are the other arguments?.do u have a problem with any of the other arguments?
Seiya doesn't need infinite fists, when the range of his attack can block that attack, so he only needs an attack with better range. For example the same Shura in the other example you post, stops the attack with a single move, which causes an explosion in the form of a column of light, and the second attack is blocked by a single slash of Shura that stops all the blows of his opponent.The reason point 2 is important is because the way Seiya fights is by releasing 1 punch after another in quick Secession. In order to counter infinite projectiles, he needs to punch, an infinite amount of times. This would mean his Attack speed would have to be infinite, as he can draw his fist infinite times in a short timeframe.
for point 5, A feat would be Seiya countering an infinite amount of projectiles, as shown above.
No, when the author never draws an infinite amount of attacks at the same time and he never tries to represent it that way, because an attack with an infinite amount of blows should cover an infinite amount of space, something that never happens in that scene and the characters block those attacks with a single movement with a range of a few meters. Also, the description in that scene seems more for the fact that they are multiplying infinitely, so it is just a continuous movement with attacks that do not stop and not an infinite amount of hits at the same time, even Shura himself indicates that the amount of hits was multiplying and not that they were an infinite amount of attacks at the same time.I think that’s just a point of how accurate the artist was. I think that the infinite attacks thing isnt hyperbole, and instsad fact, because it’s emphasized many times in this fight that the enemy is creating Infinite this, infinite that, and all his attacks are also named “Infinite so and so”. It seems pretty clear it was intended for the reader to accept that the amount of attacks is infinite, due to it being shoved in your face so many times. And on an artistic level, you def wouldn’t be able to enjoy the manga if the author just filled everything with projectiles. I believe he actually has done this for a panel in this very fight. Finally, it’s never said that the amount of attacks is likened to an infinite amount, everyone just flat out says the number is infinite.
Shura never uses that ability in his manga and we don't know what abilities the gladiators possess, since some of those abilities were not part of his sword and it was a power they acquired with their ability or the unique characteristics they possessed.To be clear, Shura at this point has the abilities of Sigurd, and his sword.
finally, I apologize for how messy this crt was. Sorry.
No, when the author never draws an infinite amount of attacks at the same time and he never tries to represent it that way, because an attack with an infinite amount of blows should cover an infinite amount of space,
wait wait. Your telling me. That a number being described as Numerous debunks it being called, Infinite in number. I will remind you that Infinite is kinda a lot. Just kinda tho.The moment Seiya counters that attack, they never describe it as infinite, they just describe it as many or numerous (数多) and that's it, and this confirms that the first description was just a hyperbole.
Perhaps the fact that he keeps using that word in reference to these attacks over and over and over again should have tipped you off.he never tries to represent it that way,
First of all, the statement for Sigurd sword is, for his sword. As Shura Controls Sigurd sword, he is capable of whatever Sigurd is, Here.Shura never uses that ability in his manga and we don't know what abilities the gladiators possess, since some of those abilities were not part of his sword and it was a power they acquired with their ability or the unique characteristics they possessed
The difference is Shura does not specialize in spamming as many attacks as possible. Seiya does. Logically, Seiyas attack that works by spamming projectiles, is going to counter another similar attack, by spamming projectiles. It’s not like shura, who just cleaves through shit because that’s how his attacks work.Seiya doesn't need infinite fists, when the range of his attack can block that attack, so he only needs an attack with better range. For example the same Shura in the other example you post, stops the attack with a single move, which causes an explosion in the form of a column of light, and the second attack is blocked by a single slash of Shura that stops all the blows of his opponent.
Sorry, I don’t recall this, do u have scans?even Shura himself indicates that the amount of hits was multiplying and not that they were an infinite amount of attacks at the same time.
A fictional attack that is called Infinite in number multiple times, by different sources, now needs to fill the whole universe in energy to convince you it is indeed infinite as it’s said to be? That makes no sense. We have no reason to believe that Seiya,Shura, and the cyclops who named his attacks are lying. Your just assuming they are because a fantasy manga isn’t being realistic.because an attack with an infinite amount of blows should cover an infinite amount of space, something that never happens in that scene and the characters block those attacks with a single movement with a range of a few meters.
I will give my full response later today or so, but just wanted to say, yes.fictional attack that is called Infinite in number multiple times, by different sources, now needs to fill the whole universe in energy to convince you it is indeed infinite as it’s said to be
But my friend, aside from name, nothing else suggests those are infinite?for point 5, A feat would be Seiya countering an infinite amount of projectiles, as shown above.
It’s verbatim stated everytime they are usednothing else suggests those are infinite?
RipActually nevermind! Discord is down atm so i can't see the scans.
i'll get back to this thread later. For now my thoughts are, the arguments against infinite speed are stupid (artistic liberty bruh), but the arguments for it sound even stupider. However, that's just context clues from the comment. I'll have to decide for myself once im able to see the scans.
There is. And i mean for you to take this as literal as possible, a large ****** magnitude of difference between 100 million and infinite.In addition, the Gods are contextually Way faster then Gold Saints, who throw 100 million blows a second, so infinite blows would actually fit the story well.
About the multi posting, sorry, and I do think it does seem infinite. Gods are stated to transcend humans, have encompassed the universe which I believe is Infinite in size, mastered the cosmo, which can create infinite power at its peak, are stated to have infinite amounts of this cosmo, which again, buffs ap and speed. There’s some other stuff I think, but I’m not 100% sure if it’s reliable yetYeah, the difference is just wyayyy too huge to apply to the whole verse based on a feat like this which doesn't even seem like infinite. Yeah, sure, infinite is thrown around, but... Does it seem infinite? And also, infinite could mean a huge variety of stuff.
Also, please stop multiposting when possible
Those are rather meaningless unfortunatelyGods are stated to transcend humans
Each gods encompass an entire universe?have encompassed the universe which I believe is Infinite in size
Logically, it's sound. But the feats just don't live up to that logic.are stated to have infinite amounts of this cosmo, which again, buffs ap and speed
Poseidon could do it when he woke up, still in human body, so yeah all of them are capable of it. Or at least scale to itEach gods encompass an entire universe?
I think what's he's* trying to say is that... Cosmos is the source of their powers. It even gives them superhuman speeds not just power. Increasing ones cosmo also increase how fast that can move. So an infinite boost in cosmo increases both AP and speed.i mean infinite power is different than infinite speed. you can be 2-a and still be Superhuman speed.
not without featsBoth infinite power and Speed
i am sorry, but that's just guess work.and Statements/Feats that would suggest Infinite speed, it’s a pretty good conclusion that a God would have Infinite Speed
I get that, but that logic doesn't hold up without featsI think what's he's* trying to say is that... Cosmos is the source of their powers. It even gives them superhuman speeds not just power. Increasing ones cosmo also increase how fast that can move. So an infinite boost in cosmo increases both AP and speed.
We Have A statement that would give Infinite Speed and Ap. We know for certain that the Ap part is true. Therefore, the Speed part must also be true. You can’t even say the statement was unreliable, given it’s said by a Goddess. Either the whole statement is correct, or it’s just flat out wrong. The Ap and Speed are connected. Rises in one stat gives a rise in others. That’s how saint seiya works.not without feats
Afaik, basically everyone who frequents ss threads alr commented.Anyway, is there a staff or someone who is knowledgeable on the verse so I can tag them?