i mean does normal human in that verse can move FTL? bcuz even move faster than bullet are counted as beyond human capability (for me) n shura can move FTL so that God arent wrong. so it doesnt mean infinite speed.
Why is this relevant tho. First of all, You really need to make a crt. Secondly, this is derailment.
Because the first attack is also described as an unlimited or infinite number of hits, and Shura blocks that attack with a movement at the speed of light, this means that actually the infinite argument has no importance for the character's speed, because it does not refer to infinite hits at the same time (a real attack with an infinite number of hits simultaneously should cover an infinite amount of space) and it is simply something that can be blocked by a simple attack at the speed of light (not an attack described with infinite speed, this is never described in the story).
the contradiction is SoL. your trying to say they are normally around light speed, when this is entirely wrong from the perspective of the Wiki. The only statement related to Shuras speed was that it was beyond a human. The statement was said by someone who is beyond humanity, so it should hold.
When Bronze Saints (protagonists) or characters achieve a miracle in this franchise they gain a power that rivals the gods (at least as Poseidon in a human avatar, before getting a power up for the fury), and this a power they never master, which is why Seiya can challenge Poseidon and then has trouble early in the fight with Charon's rowing speed at mach 18 and is almost killed by Lune, a Specter who is defeated by Kanon with one finger. The power of a Gold Saint is already equal or even greater than the power of several gods, most of the Giants, Astreia, Deimos, Phobos, Harmonia, etc, are at the level of Gold Saints or even some are weaker, the only gods that surpass them are gods as powerful as Hypnos, Thanatos, Ker and the 12 Olympic Gods.
The important thing when we talk about a new ability or power for a character is the series and if you want that to be added to the Wiki, you have to provide the corresponding information based on the series or some official material. As I explained that means nothing, because in the story itself the speed of light described as something that is not human (even several gods cannot move at this speed in the franchise) and even in that scene it is indicated that he was moving at the speed of light and only until he reaches the 9th sense it is indicated that he exceeds the speed of light at that moment.
The first attack which is also described as infinite, Shura blocked it with the speed of light, this means that you don't really need an infinite speed to stop that attack, because the amount of hits is not infinite at the same time and they are only infinite because he continues to hit the opponent without stopping. An infinite number of hits at the same time should cover an infinite space, which is not the case in this scene.
This is not PIS because in the manga it is never described that the average speed of a Gold Saint is faster than light, on the contrary it is clearly stated that Gold Saints move at the speed of light on several occasions, and only on a few specific occasions have they exceeded this speed, so the manga itself contradicts what you are saying. The Gold Saints have never attacked from another universe, the only one who did this was Thanatos and he is one of the most powerful gods in this franchise. Aiolos never attacked from another universe, he only attacks from his planet which is in the same universe and he attacked the Gold Saints who were on their way to the Underworld, this is an unknown distance and is only a dimensional power, this is similar to Deathmask attacking Shunrei with his telekinesis from the Yomotsu Hirakasa.
That is an assumption, and The only indicator of his speed is that it was beyond a humans
A fictional depiction of this does not require realism. A character can surpass the speed of sound without a sonic boom.
Also an assumption, as Shura comments that the current amount of hits coming towards him is infinite.
So are you saying the Mftl feats are outliers?
well mftl still (any amount) Speed of Light
Shura indicates that he moved at the speed of light at that moment and that he only exceeds this speed when he activates the 9th sense.
We need the feats that indicate this, for example a scene that shows that this is really something infinite. That is why several character descriptions that claim they can move at the lightning or light speed are not accepted if the character does not have some feat that proves that description.
No, this is what we can see in that scene, where the attack is only drawn as a large number of continuous hits.
This only happens in some specific moments, when they ignite their cosmos to the maximum, this is something that is even described and we can see in the series, where it is also clearly described that the average speed of a Gold Saint is the speed of light.
Actually, this is not stated. If anything, it means that to exceed the speed of light to the degree he needs, he would need the speed of a 9th sense user. It doesn’t state that he can only exceed sol with the 9th sense, but that he needs the boost that the 9th Sense would give.
the attack is named infinite so and so, and it’s desribed to be infnite. The guy creating these attacks has a statement of turning 1 fist into infinite fists. He is the fattest source of infinite speed statements in the franchise. The only reason you don’t believe them is an appeal to reality.
No, the scene itself indicates that Shura was moving at the speed of light, and only when he activates the 9th sense can he exceed this speed in that scene.
I disagree, Okada needs to learn how to draw an infinite amount of fists.
You’re repeating yourself. If you feel your argument hasn’t been debunked, than you don’t need to repeat the same thing for 50 posts a thread.
He is never described anywhere as having infinite speed and is only attacking with several hits in that scene, something that does not indicate anything infinite in the term you want to use, and is simply only infinite because he can attack countless times without stopping. It is just a movement that even the character in that scene can stop with the speed of light, something that is even described in the manga itself and makes it clear that there is nothing that indicates infinite speed in that scene, and you just assume that this character is faster than that speed contradicting even what is described in the manga.
Can u quote/bring scans of this? Because to my knowledge, chapter 17 starts with Shuras interception of the attack, and then the power is called “beyond a human”. Then there is a comment on how there shouldn’t be anymore gold Saints, Athena used time to protect the earth,Athena says shura is wandering forever, saga and shura discuss Shuras arm and the flow of time being wonky, The cyclops says Shura will wander/fight forever, fight gods, and then the cyclops attacks. Then you have Shuras Infinite attacks from all directions statements
The number of hits is described as infinite. Several is just downplay. You are Assuming Shura is calling the number of attacks infinite because the attacks won’t stop coming, even though his comment is in referred to attacks already released. Also, how would shura even know how long the guys gonna attacks for.
The term more than a human has nothing to do with what you describe and I explained this before, I even posted the scans where a character also describes the speed of light as something more than a human.
This means nothing, Roland also says that Shura's speed is not a human thing and in that scene he moves only at the speed of light.
Roland: この速さ 人間のモノではない!!! 剣の追尾ができぬッ!!
Shura himself indicates that he moved at the speed of light in that scene, that is why he mentions that even with the speed of light he could not block the second attack and that is why he awakens the 9th sense to overcome the speed of light. This means that he moved at the speed of light in the first attack.
Shura: 光速をもつてしても
Shura: 全迎撃は「不可能」
Shura only moves at a speed faster than light until he awakens the 9th sense in that scene.
He does not say he was moving at SoL, he simply says it’s not enough. Why would Shura be moving at SoL, if Seiya, who is capable of the same exact speed feats as 7th/8th sense shura is getting creamed in this fight.
Because that is what we can see in the scene, where there is nothing to show that this attack was an infinite amount of hits at the same time, even Shura blocked this attack with a single movement with range, which produced a burst of energy of a few meters.
The visuals to a scene describing, (at the very least) 100 million projectiles(assuming it’s at gold speed for 1 second), is obviously not gonna be accurate in the slightest. Nor is a fictional character blocking an (at minumum, assuming this cyclops is at minimum 7th sense power) Galaxy busting attack with a feedback of several meters.
Literally, Shura is saying that he is moving at the speed of light (that's why he says that even with the speed of light he won't be able to block the next attack) and only until he activates the 9th sense he manages to surpass this speed. That's Seiya with a miracle, a cosmos that even challenges the gods and only manages to move at that speed in some specific scenes, for example when he goes to destroy the Main Pillar in the Temple of Poseidon, a moment where his cosmos even surpasses Poseidon fully awake in a human body with his real armor and divine weapon.
No, scaling seiya to Shura/sagas Universal distance attack exchange feat would get you mftl+. They did without miracles, they simply used their power to block an attack.
Something that is not important, because the franchise has some feats that confirm the speed of light in the characters and the destructive power they possess.
He’s not gonna let up. He will stonewall with the same arguments non-stop.
As I explained before that attack never crossed any universe, it was only an attack by Aiolos from his planet that was in the same universe and only attacked the Gold Saints that were on their way to the Underworld, this is only a dimensional power, something similar to what Deathmask did when he attacked Shunrei from the Yomotsu Hirasaka.
This never happened and the Andromeda Chain crosses time and space to reach its target.
They were already in it. That’s why they used AE. To bust out
