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Finally a verse that can face bleach lol. It only fair if saint seiya characters can fight their knock off.GR Saints really out here with layered soul existence and power nullification resistance lmao
Orpheus one shotsFinally a verse that can face bleach lol. It only fair if saint seiya characters can fight their knock off.
As far as i know it can't affect all infinite timelines, so soon he'll never be 2-A, unless you make a composite version of HadesWhen will Hades get upgraded to 2-A, he is still 2-C
Stop stealing my metas StekChronos could prob get 2-A, and Athena tanked a hit from him
Not even composite Hades is 2-A there's only Interdimensional range feats, but u been lookingAs far as i know it can't affect all infinite timelines, so soon he'll never be 2-A, unless you make a composite version of Hades
In EP G it doesn't affect timelines? There is, it's Cronos from EP G that it affects and Hades seems to have absorbed him, from what I've seen of people on Facebook, I don't remember exactly what the argument was.Not even composite Hades is 2-A there's only Interdimensional range feats, but u been looking
No 2-A feats there. Hades only has Interdimensional range feats. Kronos doesn't have anything yet but Uranus mightIn EP G it doesn't affect timelines? There is, it's Cronos from EP G that it affects and Hades seems to have absorbed him, from what I've seen of people on Facebook, I don't remember exactly what the argument was.
It makes senseNo 2-A feats there. Hades only has Interdimensional range feats. Kronos doesn't have anything yet but Uranus might
But the dice is 4DHades is blatantly low 1-C, LC makes it abundantly clear 8th sense users and above are 5D in existence.
That CRT wasn’t even “legal”, you have to wait 3 months to reverse an accepted CRT afaik.But the dice is 4D
It also never passed as I recall. In any case, the CRT only pushed for 5D HDE not stats so I don't think we get Low 1-C AP/Dura from thereThat CRT wasn’t even “legal”, you have to wait 3 months to reverse an accepted CRT afaik.
We get the AP and Dura from God cloths being a level beyond the 8th sense.It also never passed as I recall. In any case, the CRT only pushed for 5D HDE not stats so I don't think we get Low 1-C AP/Dura from there
Welp. Given how consistent the time axis stuff is for the verse we might not even need itWe get the AP and Dura from God cloths being a level beyond the 8th sense.
A potential current Ikki with God Cloth would be infinitely superior to his self that can keep up with a god whose very essence forms the infinite universe and makes it expandThat CRT wasn’t even “legal”, you have to wait 3 months to reverse an accepted CRT afaik.
Such logic would apply to the infinite universes that exist in Saint Seiya, so it's not far fetched to claim Pontos is multiversal+, considering he scales Gold Saints whose clash has potential multiversal/multiversal+ output.
Ikki omnipotent confirmed, lolA potential current Ikki with God Cloth would be infinitely superior to his self that can keep up with a god whose very essence forms the infinite universe and makes it expand
This seems like hyperboleIkki has also lightning + fire so strong, it turns into light and pierces through higher dimensions and potentially timelines with Photon Burst: https://imgbrr.co/i/HgTa
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How can Shun see symbolism?There's nothing literal there, just a representation, if it were true Shaka would be able to kill Hades in just one attack, which even he and the Golden 12 can't do
What specific part do you think sounds like hyperbole and based on what is that conclusion founded upon?This seems like hyperbole
BFR, my dear (Wait, I thought you were talking about Shun falling) , but it is just a representation, Shaka didn't create anything, we didn't see literal Universes being destroyed or created, that was all nothing more than something symbolic created by the two (something already mentioned in the work itself)How can Shun see symbolism?
What specific part do you think sounds like hyperbole and based on what is that conclusion founded upon?
Do not refer to me as your "dear".BFR, my dear (Wait, I thought you were talking about Shun falling) , but it is just a representation, Shaka didn't create anything, we didn't see literal Universes being destroyed or created, that was all nothing more than something symbolic created by the two (something already mentioned in the work itself)
A statement outlining the qualities or attributes of an attack as well as describing what effects the attack is passively having on the environment is now hyperbole?Here, it seems to be hyperbole, since it didn't show anything, it's just talk.
What do you mean you don't refute it? It's literally said that all that was just something symbolic created by Shaka and Shijima, it's mentioned twice, that something symbolic that represents the destruction of the Universe and creation, seeing something symbolic doesn't prove that it's real, but rather that they can see a kind of illusion created by them to represent the creation and destruction of the UniverseDo not refer to me as your "dear".
Nothing you said disproves the fact Shun made the statement universes were being created and destroyed, if it was Shaka or Shijima you might have an argument.
The work ONLY indicates that PHYSICAL universes were in play.
The individual attacks being symbolic on their own doesn't mean the result of their clash (something that has never happened in the history of the verse) is symbolism, especially when a character could physically see these objects being created and destroyed.
So I'm not convinced by your false equivalences and parroting of D-tier arguments,
If there's no evidence of that, then it's hyperboleA statement outlining the qualities or attributes of an attack as well as describing what effects the attack is passively having on the environment is now hyperbole?
Well RIP to 99% of all scaling everywhere.
The attack is an infinitely dense combination of Ikki's soul and cosmo, you don't have grounds to claim hyperbole, nothing about the language is poetic, Ikki/Leo Saints even tells us the attack is affecting the dimensions around them, before telling us the nature of the attack was higher dimensional.
If Superman represents and is the symbol of hope, is the destruction he does also symbolism?What do you mean you don't refute it? It's literally said that all that was just something symbolic created by Shaka and Shijima, it's mentioned twice, that something symbolic that represents the destruction of the Universe and creation, seeing something symbolic doesn't prove that it's real, but rather that they can see a kind of illusion created by them to represent the creation and destruction of the Universe
The work doesn't indicate that they can create something like that, Shaka doesn't have the potential to climb with that, that's something symbolic, I don't see why he's low 2-C based on that, but I'll make a crt to change that somehow.
The evidence is the statement itself and the characters describing what is happening.If there's no evidence of that, then it's hyperbole
You could argue symbolism, but that symbolism was directly stated to be "manifesting" itself into reality just before the clash of light and dark.What do you mean you don't refute it? It's literally said that all that was just something symbolic created by Shaka and Shijima, it's mentioned twice, that something symbolic that represents the destruction of the Universe and creation, seeing something symbolic doesn't prove that it's real, but rather that they can see a kind of illusion created by them to represent the creation and destruction of the Universe
The work doesn't indicate that they can create something like that, Shaka doesn't have the potential to climb with that, that's something symbolic, I don't see why he's low 2-C based on that, but I'll make a crt to change that somehow.
If there's no evidence of that, then it's hyperbole
If Superman represents and is the symbol of hope, is the destruction he does also symbolism?
I'm not disputing the attacks themselves represent concepts, however, that doesn't mean the destruction caused by the clash was also symbolic.
There's 0 evidence it was an illusion.
The character who described what he saw did not indicate it was an illusion, this character has identified illusions in the past and did not mention this was an illusion.
Shaka is low 2-C for reasons primarily relating to the 7th sense, I plan on changing it myself in my next CRT.
However, now you've convinced me he is 2-B, so now I have to reevaluate the tier 4 scaling I was going to give him, maybe he needs a new key for post-wailing wall, as he is clearly far far stronger now than he was in Classic.
I saw absolutely nothing to be concrete, just empty statements without proofThe evidence is the statement itself and the characters describing what is happening.
The panel choosing to focus on Ikki instead of the environment isn't an anti-feat. Extrapolating your logic means we cannot scale novels as there's no proof that anything being described to us is happening.
You're making the claim it is hyperbole, you have to prove it is hyperbole, I know you can't because such evidence doesn't exist.
I honestly don't even know how this happened, but it's so wrong.You could argue symbolism, but that symbolism was directly stated to be "manifesting" itself into reality just before the clash of light and dark.
Based on what evidence can Hades not do it?(although, I doubt that would pass, since not even Hades at his maximum potential can do that)
"be aware"????, but be aware that not even joining all 12 golden ones is capable of creating enough energy to destroy Universes or create one.
I suppose if you can't understand what's being said then every statement appears empty.I saw absolutely nothing to be concrete, just empty statements without proof
On the basis that he has no feat for such a scaleBased on what evidence can Hades not do it?
Yes, they can create a small Big Bang at a smaller rate the creation of the Universe"be aware"????
3 Gold Saints can.
No, i'm just saying there's a lack of evidence for that claim.I suppose if you can't understand what's being said then every statement appears empty.
Thankfully, you're interpretation (or lack there of) isn't an argument I haven to worry about.
weaker characters do and Athena is stated verbatim weaker than said feat whom Hades scales above.On the basis that he has no feat for such a scale
This right here shows how disingenuous you are towards this verse.Yes, they can create a small Big Bang at a smaller rate the creation of the Universe
No, you are saying you refusing the evidence for that claim. There's a difference.No, i'm just saying there's a lack of evidence for that claim.
weaker characters do and Athena is stated verbatim weaker than said feat whom Hades scales above.
Nothing says Hades "cannot" or "isn't" at that level, so nothing precludes Hades from scaling above it when there's a direct scaling chain.
This right here shows how disingenuous you are towards this verse.
You know for an absolute fact that's not what is stated and the Athena Exclamation is compared directly to the actual big bang and is stated to have destructive capability on that level.
No, you are saying you refusing the evidence for that claim. There's a difference.
Luffy, the difference between you and I is that you're clearly biased because you would disagree with 2-B Hades on the basis he one shots Goku.
I am not blinded by such notions, and even though it would mean Goku soloed Saint Seiya, I would have upgraded him to low 1-C (which is where he should be) had the other DB fans had told me not to.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out your motivations when you advertise them on every Saint Seiya and Dragon Ball CRT, even to the point of using Saint Seiya scans to prove your DB CRTs in an attempt to "catch Saint Seiya out" for the size of the UW.
scanIt is mentioned that EA his power is less, but anyway,
I'm not aggressive, and there is no competition... except when your motives are as clear as the night sky.no need to be aggressive, we're having a fan debate and there's no competition
I'm going to assume this is an artifact of google Translate. I never called you fake or implied you were a fake fan of either series. I just stated you're clearly biased when you make claims that are very obviously not true and contradicted by the very evidence you use to support your claims.Calling people fake is ugly, just for disagreeing with their opinion
Gohan was never shown to have 4-B potential, but then Cell came along and made a hyperbolic statement and now Gohan scaling means he has 4-B potential.Athena was never shown to have 2-A potential, but she was affecting the Universe with her trip to the past, i don't see how Hades will have a 2-A feat, i don't care about complex things related to tier 1, i always avoid debating things like that
you are confusing 2 statements making different claims.About EA's quote, you can find it in your official language, since the English manga of Saint Seiya is not available here, but using a translator we are told that the creation of the Universe is on a smaller scale
Again, I don't accept this gibberish argument and I have explained why it falls flat on its face.When you have several evidences and statements to prove such a thing, of course, citations are only useful if you have a lot of evidence, which didn't happen during this (this is contracted by the work itself, which proves to be something symbolic/representation )
It's not that I'm not accepting your argument, it's that you don't have an argument.It's okay, you don't have to accept my argument.
Oh yeah, you didn't have it, that's why you were nervous with me.It's not that I'm not accepting your argument, it's that you don't have an argument.