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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

StekFence said:
I think if it would have worked, hades wouldn’t have been just sitting there.
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You may use Hades inaction to infer he believes Shaka is a non threat.

Honestly, I’m so confused as to why people are using such a featless interaction to try and scale Shaka above characters he has no hope in beating.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
TH didn't work on several characters in the series and each do have some form of an explanation.
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Ikki, it did in fact work (Lawed and casualityed) and got all 6 of his senses removed, but then Shaka decides to then stop the laws part after he thought he killed him only for Ikki to come back power himself to the limit and put Shaka in a bear hug faster than Shaka could think than went up to another dimension while trying to suicide bomb himself to take Shaka with him.

Lawless straight up was not affected at all

Three Golds vs Shaka (I'm guess Shaka just allowed them to move and preform the Athena's Exclamation, it only makes sense)

Shaka vs Lapto, only used the sense removal? (I think I'd have to read it, but I do remember Lapto got 1 of his senses removed then used the power of Dunamis to recover it nearly instantly, which is absolutely insane if you think about it)
 
Huesito88 said:
Ikki, it did in fact work (Lawed and casualityed) and got all 6 of his senses removed, but then Shaka decides to then stop the laws part after he thought he killed him only for Ikki to come back power himself to the limit and put Shaka in a bear hug faster than Shaka could think than went up to another dimension while trying to suicide bomb himself to take Shaka with him.

Lawless straight up was not affected at all

Three Golds vs Shaka (I'm guess Shaka just allowed them to move and preform the Athena's Exclamation, it only makes sense)

Shaka vs Lapto, only used the sense removal? (I think I'd have to read it, but I do remember Lapto got 1 of his senses removed then used the power of Dunamis to recover it nearly instantly, which is absolutely insane if you think about it)
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It didn't work on Illias or Tenma either.
 
Huesito88 said:
You need a reason for it not to work, other than their gods they should be immune to all non godly abilities.
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That’s not a completely bad reason tbh. For example, nobody thinks Algol would solo all of sts if he just got an opportunity to use his shield.
 
StekFence said:
That’s not a completely bad reason tbh. For example, nobody thinks Algol would solo all of sts if he just got an opportunity to use his shield.
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I'm going to assume you weren't completely serious on the literally all part (due to how some abilities work here), but that's how it works here last I checked....

Edit Of course thankful due to a ability of the Seventh sense, Algol doesn't get passed any Seventh sense user (and by that I mean Algol already used his shield)
 
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What I mean is, that gods in sts are very clearly at a level where no matter what hax you have in the verse, whether it’s poison, petrification, soul, ice, etc, it’s not gonna do shit unless your Cosmo is at a certain level.
 
StekFence said:
What I mean is, that gods in sts are very clearly at a level where no matter what hax you have in the verse, whether it’s poison, petrification, soul, ice, etc, it’s not gonna do shit unless your Cosmo is at a certain level.
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If there's scans for such invulnerability or resistance to everything under a certain level of cosmos then sure no problems whatsoever (and again I'm talking about this stuff as if they were going to be added to the profiles)
 
My next thread will be the scaling thread, which will cover Golds, Mariner generals, and Specters.

Most of it will be uncontroversial, I very much expect it to devolve into a Saga vs Shaka debate. but there might be a couple of other hot takes.
 

Everything is canon (Section 1 and 2 of the blog)

Everything is in a shared multiverse

Cross scaling with the 8th and higher senses are valid-able

Cross scaling with Gods is fine because there is literally only 1 god for the totality of everything that exist in the verse

Anime and Manga should be separate canons with separate Cosmologies that scale differently from each other, but the 8th sense, and Buddhist concepts in the original anime are fine to use for the manga due to being the same (But only the original anime)

You can no longer apply G feats to Classic Gold Saints. Episode G Characters should have their own profile with their own scaling.

Sho, RRoP, GA/GR, TO, Classic, and ND take place in the same timeline/universe.

LC, G, DW, Golden age, Gigantomachia are different timelimes in the canon multiverse


This was in the OP of the CRT that accepted the canon blog.

This does throw a wrench in my intentions for the verse.

I still intend on making GA era profiles separate from Classic in the same way Ichigo has a pre and post-timeskip profile for both profile management reasons and narrative reasons.

However, this affects the scaling chain I had in mind for the verse as I now need to incorporate Sho into the scaling chain and it effects my cosmo blog as essentially... nothing will change in the P&A sections of the profiles outside the removal of G only techniques and abilities due to such.

Given that cosmo is the same throughout the multiverse (as seen with Shura demonstrating cosmo is a multiversal constant), most abilities in my blog will end up cross-scaling anyway.

My P&A revision will instead focus on removing things that are considered generic that aren't and all anime scans, this will result in some ability removals and ability downgrades but I'm afraid the profiles won't be as "classic pure" as I had initially intended. My cosmo blog will only contain scans and abilities from Classic and ND, I don't plan on collating spin-offs into that blog even if the abilities granted by them are generic or not (However, I don't think mods will appreciate that kind of slyness so if I have to put them on the blog I will), at least that way we can see which abilities are classic only and which are granted via spin-offs, that'll be my way of keeping them separate whilst also adhering to the accepted canon (something I won't be revising).

I had hoped to reset the profiles back to classic/ND and then we could on a case-by-case basis reintroduce the canon spin-offs, however, I have no grounds to remove a lot of these abilities without actually debating and justifying their removal to begin with to get to that point.

AP-wise however, the classic AP ratings won't change too much if at all by the introduction of Sho, so Sho's only impact on the AP section will likely be in the form of justifying scaling chains and not actual AP feats, so there's that. Saga will probably get a Sho key or 2, maybe Aiolia and Milo as well if I remember the story correctly (haven't touched Sho since the whole Shaka tea party chapter came out).


I am disappointed by this, mostly because Sho has some insane Shaka wank tbh not only does incorporating Sho into the scaling chain make it very messy from memory but also I had hoped to at least have a period of classic-only profiles, even if only briefly.

I'm flip-flopping between which CRT to do next, I was going to do the scaling chain but now I need to incorporate Sho I don't want to touch it like ever. Pt 0 of my revisions doesn't look like it will pass within the week so that will give me some time to mull things over.

I'll keep everyone updated on my thoughts, feel free to ask any questions and bring up things you want to talk about regarding my plans or anything verse-related.
 
"I am disappointed by this, mostly because Sho has some insane Shaka wank tbh not only does incorporating Sho into the scaling chain make it very messy from memory but also I had hoped to at least have a period of classic-only profiles, even if only briefly."

Ahh so you've shown your true colors Hasty, you just don't want Shaka to be HIM =P
 
Hasty I'm curious are you going to use VIZ scans for classic or do you have something secretly in your back pocket? Also are you going to use some of the final edition scans or what? (Atleast for 9 books so far released?)
 
Final edition isn’t up to sanctuary yet

Viz should be fine for the scaling chain CRT and most abilities
 
Congrats to Hasty for finally kickstarting the long, arduous cleanup process the verse desperately needs. Looking forward to revamped profiles and verse page.
Soon Anti Pope Aiolos will become the strongest character in the verse
 
Whatever happened to anti pope aiolos again? Oh yeah, he got the aiolos treatment From shura. Again.
 
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