But he never affected the cosmology in any way, and even then that power itself was only a time hax/warp caused by a chain reaction of destroying his Hourglass, so it's not really an AP feat or even environmental destruction since he was only messing up the time of Earth to cause humanity to be wiped out, and wasn't even destroying the planet Earth itself.
It is his ultimate technique, but that does not change that Suikyo was weakened by the injuries he suffered in his previous fights, as Dohko himself points out at the time, that is why Dohko, who is just as powerful as Shion, was able to fight him, when in normal conditions Suikyo would have defeated him just as easily as Shion.That was an assessment from his Byakurenge. When he started charging up his ultimate Hyakugasenran Dohko was ******** himself, and Suikyo even called that attack his maximum technique.
The fact that Suikyo (the most powerful Underworld leader that exists in this universe) can destroy a Gold Cloth with his ultimate technique, even being weakened, only indicates how awesome his power is, which is why even Ikki points out how awesome Suikyo's power is. That only applies to the protagonists, something that probably happens thanks to the Cloths, which is the justification Kurumada mentions about the protagonists sometimes exceeding their limits in some combat, because these armors can grant a temporary power boost if the Saint fights for justice and Athena.
Yes, basically this is not even a 2-C or 3-A feat and is a simple life wiper, so it is impossible to use it as a cosmic scale feat or at that level.
Chronos does not even contain a universe, it is only a portal to travel to other times (it's basically a lake on Olympus), so it is a mistake the scale of power of this character.
Honestly yeah, I guess I was wrong earlier, I completely forgot this part, I remember this was even mentioned by Odysseus for why Tenma completely blitzed him that one time.
Completely agreed on part. I really wonder that kind of completely not the case interpretation even happened, when many times in the fight Chronos and Aiolia discussed how he attempts to lifewipe Earth, and it was even mentioned by them how Chronos planned to go to the Earth after winning the fight and it was wiped out, so it's clearly not the destruction of the universe or planet.
I doubt that's the case since the manga and Kurumada's map always portrayed them to be on the same landmass, or at least not for all the prisons (because apparently the website says the 6th Prison was beyond spacetime, so maybe that one might be but even then)
Irrc the raw says beyond space-time rather than space and time. Though the official viz translation mentions extra dimensional space
Does the website ever describe anything to place these prisons on a universe or even just a general cosmic scale size? Because otherwise even if they all were different dimensions, the outright 2-C rating still seems like misinformation.
Tbh it's actually easy to prove things are universes on the wiki due to how lax the rules are.
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Well it fits one criteria of being a space-time noted there, but it also mentions that they need to be indicated to be universes in size as well, and therein lies the problem.Tbh it's actually easy to prove things are universes on the wiki due to how lax the rules are.
Universe
The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, all forms of matter and energy. Due to the unknown spatial size of the universe, we use the size of the observable universe as a baseline for universal feats. The observable universe is currently...
Even the Super dimension doesn’t seem like it qualifies for a universe
SDS shouldn't qualify anyways. Space and time is someething in constant flux. Duration and Distance is ever changing. its also simply just a realm that splits dimensions apart. its closer to a wormhole or black hole than it is a universe
Edit: Point 1 says it can be "or" as in 1 not 2 or 2 and not 1
Edit 2: Point 2 says synonoms for "Infinite" can also work but as established in the first bullet point its not needed.
Did I miss something, which point does it completely qualify for. It only fits half of one criteria of being a spacetime, but the same criteria mentions that it should be shown or stated to have a reasonable size of a universe, which never happened in the story.
You do know what "or" means in an English sentence right?
The Super Dimension only showed countless stars. The scene your referring too isn't strictly referring to the Super Dimension. Its a very common misconception but the scene your talking about it is metaphorically worded and is talking about the whole Underworld in a general sense. The same wording was used 3 other times before the Super Dimension was showed
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It says it need to be a space-time and have a universal size, “or” was in reference to how said universal size can be established, which is via being shown or stated, but that part never happened in the story in any way.
It means one of the bullet points should be met, but none of the bullet points are completely met.
.... there literally called "spacetimes.." in the raws...
That bullet point you posted says “called universes or stated to be the size of universes.” Being a space-time only met half of one criteria, but any rate I think it’s more efficient to just make a post on Questions and Answers about this topic.
you can make a Q&A if you want but the word "or" is being used to state an alternative so the other isn't needed.
The alternative is clearly worded as a reference for the point that mentioned space-time was describing how the universal size can be proven (shown or stated), and it literally says “space-time and shown or stated universal size.”
Not true, Cronus said it would affect the KL aswell. Other than that I agree it's not an AP feat
What's the KL? I only remember him mentioning how humanity would be killed by ancient beasts and the altering of time.
To be honest I don't understand very well the criteria of universes either, sometimes I have seen that if something is considered a space-time continuum it is enough to be universes, but other times I have seen that this is not enough, for example Kaguya's dimensions are named as a space-time, but this does not mean that they are universes according to the wiki criteria, so better ask someone from the staff what are the criteria for a space to be considered a universe.
It does not seem to indicate that all of Tartarus is destroyed and it seems that only the ground is destroyed, the land of the Titans in Tartarus where the castle of Chronos was, we can even see how at the end of the fight Aiolia and Chronos fall into the depths of Tartarus by the collapse caused in the land where they are standing.What's the KL? I only remember him mentioning how humanity would be killed by ancient beasts and the altering of time.
Besides Earth, it was only mentioned that where Chronos and Aiolia were fighting too would be wiped out into the depth of Tartarus, but even then it indicated the entirety of Tartarus wouldn't be destroyed, so this isn't really that notable.
The entirety of Tartarus is the dimension (I don't remember when it was shown to be universal though), not only the place where Chronos and Aiolia fought.
Yeah, it's probably too vague and reliant on speculation to work at the moment with the such little information about the 4 other worlds and how they compare, without any confirmation that the six worlds are equal in size or parallel worlds. '
Every Titan has a universe, the Labyrinth is Cronus' own. Tartarus is more of a void rather than a standard dimension
The map seems to be only a representation of this place to locate where the characters are in the story and not something precise that's why even some locations that are mentioned as the river Lethe do not appear in this one, it is more like the map of the Sanctuary in the battle of the twelve temples that was only to give a location to the characters and not a precise representation of this place (something that only appeared until Next Dimension).
It is only a small dimensional space within a Temple, this does not qualify as a universe in any way.
You got that scans to Phoenix cloth destroying mu? I'm very interested on thatI share this, it is the part of the extra story of Time Odyssey, where it is described that the Phoenix Cloth destroyed the continent of Mu (Atlantis).
The map seems to be only a representation of this place to locate where the characters are in the story and not something precise that's why even some locations that are mentioned as the river Lethe do not appear in this one, it is more like the map of the Sanctuary in the battle of the twelve temples that was only to give a location to the characters and not a precise representation of this place (something that only appeared until Next Dimension).
It is only a small dimensional space within a Temple, this does not qualify as a universe in any way.
It never appears in the story, but several characters mention this place, even Hades himself mentions the existence of that river, although you are right, some suppose it could be the superdimension.
That' s the scan, where the legend of the Phoenix Cloth is narrated (a person with evil intentions tried to get hold of this armor and it, to prevent him, released a torrent of flames that destroyed the guy who tried to get hold of it and also destroyed in the process the continent, and the Death Queen Island is the only thing left of that continent) and how this armor destroyed Atlantis, this part is narrated only as a story with only one image to represent the scene.
It's called a universe in the Galaxian Encyclopedia, and Lapetos notes that Dunamis pushes it to infinity. It's pretty blatant.
No, he only makes a comparison of the Deumanis, indicating that it comes from the force that expands the universe, this is similar to the Cosmos whose power and origin comes from the big bang, that is why even the difference between these two is mentioned, one is a creating force and the other is a destroying force. Actually, as I have pointed out, it is just a space inside a small temple.
im going to look into how he did becuase that would change how it gets calc'ed
Although it is an interesting feat and we could use it to scale the power of the Bronze and Silver Saints, the problem is that there is nothing to indicate the size of that continent (although it is described to be Atlantis and perhaps we can use the description that exists about this place) to make an accurate calculation. But I think we could argue that it is at least a 6-B feat.
True it’s pretty hard to say for sure, but with all the mentions of the place lacking any stars, maybe the map is just similar to how Kurumada puts stars in the background of the maps of Sanctuary and it isn’t meant to be literal, or probably just unknown objects
what descriptions are there of atlanatis that indicate its size? if its a continent we should be fine with using "Microcontinent" sizes. Using the smalled Micrcontinent.
I don't know, I thought that maybe there is some description of this continent (Atlantis) in real life, although what you say seems more logical and we could use the minimum size of a continent on this site to try to calculate this feat.
