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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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Bian stops the Suisei Ken with one hand, although this is Seiya without the 7th sense.
Seiya never uses the Suisei Ken against a Specter in the manga. Only in the anime, he uses this technique against Rada.
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After reading the chapter 11 of Dark Wing.
Hypnos mentions that a god may be interfering in the awakening of the gods, Pandora and others, this explains why Hypnos and Thanatos have not been able to fully awaken at this time, and as explained in previous chapters also Athena and Hades have not been able to fully awaken.
Who could be the real villain in Dark Wing?. Some fans on other forums speculate that it may be Apollo. It seems that Apollo is the favorite villain of the fans, the villain of the French Comic the fans say it could be Apollo and the villain of Dark Wing says it could also be Apollo.
Although a god who can interfere with Athena and Hades is somewhat ridiculous, since these are two of the five most powerful gods in this universe. Athena and Hades are matched only by Poseidon and Zeus and these four gods stand out even among the Olympians (the highest gods), and Athena herself says that Chronos is the only god who transcends the Olympians. But this is a spin-off developed in another universe, so perhaps the hierarchy and power of the gods is different and there may be a gods more powerful than them, for example in Overture, Apollo was so ridiculously powerful that Athena says that she and Seiya were insignificant next to him.
Hypnos mentions that a god may be interfering in the awakening of the gods, Pandora and others, this explains why Hypnos and Thanatos have not been able to fully awaken at this time, and as explained in previous chapters also Athena and Hades have not been able to fully awaken.
Who could be the real villain in Dark Wing?. Some fans on other forums speculate that it may be Apollo. It seems that Apollo is the favorite villain of the fans, the villain of the French Comic the fans say it could be Apollo and the villain of Dark Wing says it could also be Apollo.
Although a god who can interfere with Athena and Hades is somewhat ridiculous, since these are two of the five most powerful gods in this universe. Athena and Hades are matched only by Poseidon and Zeus and these four gods stand out even among the Olympians (the highest gods), and Athena herself says that Chronos is the only god who transcends the Olympians. But this is a spin-off developed in another universe, so perhaps the hierarchy and power of the gods is different and there may be a gods more powerful than them, for example in Overture, Apollo was so ridiculously powerful that Athena says that she and Seiya were insignificant next to him.
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Found some interesting quotes like “
The residence of the goddess Athena is not far from Athens, the greatest city in Greece,
however, it cannot be found on any map known to man. It’s a sacred mountain, completely
isolated from the rest of the universe, separated from our world with stars and thick layers of
clouds.
Not even the most advanced and precise spy satellites would be able to find this palace,
completely covered with the Higher Will of Gods and protected by divine shields that make
any kind of outside intervention impossible.
This is the sanctuary and its existence surpasses all human logic and comprehension.”
The residence of the goddess Athena is not far from Athens, the greatest city in Greece,
however, it cannot be found on any map known to man. It’s a sacred mountain, completely
isolated from the rest of the universe, separated from our world with stars and thick layers of
clouds.
Not even the most advanced and precise spy satellites would be able to find this palace,
completely covered with the Higher Will of Gods and protected by divine shields that make
any kind of outside intervention impossible.
This is the sanctuary and its existence surpasses all human logic and comprehension.”
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where are you reading it from?
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I can send the pdf
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Saint Seiya - Gigantomachia - PDFCOFFEE.COM
GIGANTOMACHIAORESTES A Greek legend says that in one famous acropolis there was once a conflict between the goddess At...
pdfcoffee.com
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aahhh that website is translated from
JP > Spanish > english it does have rememnants of its spanish translations
i think it was spanish?
JP > Spanish > english it does have rememnants of its spanish translations
i think it was spanish?
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Yes it seems so. Either that or Italian.
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If this is Gigantomachia use the Portuguese translation, because that is an official translation. Also, I have never found raw of this novel to check the information, so it is better to use an official translation.
Although it is best to stay away from Gigantomachia completely, as it is a different universe with no relevance to the main universe, even Kurumada and his staff seem to pretend that this novel does not exist. It was also replaced with Golden Age, another novel set in the same time period, which seems quite short from what is shown in Destiny and described in the series timeline.
In addition, this work was replaced with Golden Age, another novel that takes place in the same time period, which seems quite short from what is shown in Destiny and what is described in the timeline of the series (the time period between the Poseidon and Hades Arc is only a few days or hours as shown in Destiny, where it seems that it starts almost immediately after Poseidon's defeat).
Although it is possible that this novel will also be replaced in the future by the French Comic, since the author wants to use the five main characters in his story and the only period of time where he could use Seiya, Shun, Shiryu and Hyoga is the very short period of time that exists between the Poseidon and Hades Arc.
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This is never mentioned in the main universe and if you want to add that information to a page you will have to create a new page for Athena based on that novel.
The only thing that might suggest in the main universe that Athena has some type of plant manipulation is that Saori created a chain of flowers inside the time portal to guide the Bronze Saints to the correct nebula.
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man you just live to ignore context, facts, direct statements, etc saying there is literally only 1 god in the whole multiverse. they have multiple host bodies/avatars sure but their true form; there is only 1 of those.
Athena chose to become human but her divine will is still a singular form.
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Let's not start with this again. Kurumada never says that in his manga (Manga Classic, Final Edition, Origin, Zero, Destiny and Next Dimension) and we can literally see different versions of these gods in the works of the franchise. Also, the idea of one god for the entire multiverse has never been accepted in the Wiki.
In Dark Wing and TLC, Athena does not become human, the soul of the goddess takes the body of a human conceived by mortals to reincarnate on Earth, even this is already different from what was seen in the manga classic. Also in TLC, the Gigas are immortal gods, contrary to Gigntomachia where these beings are not described as immortal (only Typhon is a god like the rest that exists as a soul), and Enceladus is completely different between its TLC version and the Gigantomachia version.
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incorrect. You need to get this idea out of your head Kurumada needs to mention something for it to be true, this is not the case. Kurumada isn't even self-consistent with his own works, the Final Edition is literally being made because ND, Origin, and destiny was so horribly inconsistent with Classic. And let's not get started with the mess that is the Hades arc.
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You and matt never accepted
But GA referenced events that happened in ND and gave us direct statements and implications of such ( 1 god for the whole multiverse.)
GR is referencing events from G and GA and it gave us even more direct implications and statements
here is a question for you. Why did Uranus use Kido from another timeline and turn him into a god? This kido was stated to be an existence similar to shura in the aspect they go around infinite worlds fighting. This implies only 1 uranus because Kido came from one timeline to this one in GR to free the primordials
Also Pontos direclty referenced Episode G in chapter 9 (I think it was chapter 9 at least) so why would a pontos from another Universe come to this one in GR?
also if the so called "black core" can only strictly connect to 2 universes at once. how come Zeus had memories of fighting many other seiyas? Zeus used plural terms when talking to Seiya.
Why would Okada and Kuru introduce a multiverse if they have no plans of doing anything else with it other than just dimension hopping?
Even G setups the possibility of 1 god for the whole multiverse.
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He is the main author of this franchise and decides what happens in this franchise. No, Kurumada had already planned a new version of the classic manga, so Origin, Zero, Destiny and Next Dimension were conceived with this new version in mind.
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that's even worse, because it shows he himself cares very little for consistency. truly awful writing.
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FE has been a major let down imo. its basically the samething with some dialouge changes that so far have proven nothing useful
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Assassin never shows any of that as I explained before.
GR is the end of the Episode.G saga, that's why Pontus returns to give a conclusion to his arc and in this universe the events of the original Episode.G also took place.
Just as Shiryu has memories of Aiolos' universe, the portal that Aiolos created was connecting the universes and this made some characters acquire the knowledge and memories of other universes.
The concept of the multiverse was born to separate the franchise and each author would be free to write his own story without worrying about what was described in the other authors' manga. This is the purpose of the multiverse, it exists to separate the franchise and each author could create his own version of this universe.
This is of no importance, because it has never been approved in the Wiki, even Matt rejected this idea at every opportunity.
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i'll respond in a bit after you edited your response but quick question
You remember that scan that says that Chronos is the father of Zeus in ND? What did you say that was? Did you say that was an editor note or something like that?
You remember that scan that says that Chronos is the father of Zeus in ND? What did you say that was? Did you say that was an editor note or something like that?
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It's just an editor's note, it's not something written by Kurumada or his staff, and these notes are even removed from the Tomo version, which is the definitive version of a manga.
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Where's it stated that the tomo version is the definitive version?
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He cares about the consistency of his work and he and Akita had already planned a corrected version of the manga, so Kurumada's new stories were conceived based on that version. Kurumada is someone who cares about details.
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The authors make the necessary changes in the tomo, correct dialogues and images, and even add some important part of the story, something that we even saw in Saintia Sho, where the author added details and made important corrections in the tomos. This is the definitive version of the manga.
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but wheres this statement at? Wheres the proof? Thats all im asking.. wheres a link saying changes were made? thats what im curious about..
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Literally, the tome version eliminates that note.
By the way, I have bought some digital tomes (the first three) in Japanese of some mangas of Saint Seiya, because they were at an almost free price, so I can provide scans in good quality and without watermark of those series.
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Proof that the tomoe version is the perfected version. Not an opinion please. I'd like a statementLiterally, the tome version eliminates that note.
By the way, I have bought some digital tomes (the first three) in Japanese of some mangas of Saint Seiya, because they were at an almost free price, so I can provide scans in good quality and without watermark of those series.
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Kurumada even makes some changes in the tomes, for example, some dialogues are simplified or altered in the chapters published in the tome. An example of this can be seen in Zero, where Kurumada changed some dialogues when these chapters were compiled in tome 1 of the Final Edition.
Some have corrections in the coloring or drawing, for example, Kurumada corrected the hair color of the Gold Saints of the 20th century in the Tomo, now he uses the canon colors of the manga.
The definitive and corrected versions of Kurumada are the tomes, and in the case of the classic manga it is the Final Edition.
This is something he did from the beginning of the manga, where he changed some dialogues and scenes from the chapters published in the magazine into the tome, a famous example of this is the censorship of June's character in the tome and the silhouette of Hyoga's teacher, which in the original magazine appeared the silhouette of Milo, who probably Kurumada intended to use as Hyoga's teacher in that part of the story.
A later reedition of the tomes added Shaka's Gaiden to the story of the first tomes, that's why Shaka appears in Ikki's flashback in the tome 5, when in the original chapter published in the magazine and the first version of the tomes this was different, and then added a dialogue and extra scene in tome 10 where he makes a reference to this gaiden.
This also applies to other works such as Sho, TLC, E.G. (saga) and Dark Wing, where the authors make changes in the tomes, the best example of this is Sho where the tomes have a lot of extra content and changed with respect to the chapters published in the magazine.
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Rate my chain. it’s for crt I’m gonna do as soon as I gather scans.
Sigurd holding back(baseline Infinite speed)< Sigurd Not holding back(Higher) < G Assassin Seiya(Higher, but not by much as Sigurd can still fight him) << God Cloth Seiya(Overwhelmed Sigurd who wasn’t holding back easily) < Peak God cloth Seiya(His armor turned golden as he got stronger and therefore faster) << Athena(Stronger and faster than peak God cloths) < Hades(stronger than Athena) < Cronos(Stronger than Hades) < Zeus(Strongest God)
Sigurd holding back(baseline Infinite speed)< Sigurd Not holding back(Higher) < G Assassin Seiya(Higher, but not by much as Sigurd can still fight him) << God Cloth Seiya(Overwhelmed Sigurd who wasn’t holding back easily) < Peak God cloth Seiya(His armor turned golden as he got stronger and therefore faster) << Athena(Stronger and faster than peak God cloths) < Hades(stronger than Athena) < Cronos(Stronger than Hades) < Zeus(Strongest God)
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Because they have infinite speed, you first have to create a CRT for these characters to get infinite speed, as the current speed is ridiculously high, but not infinite, although the best feat of calculated speed is only something Shura could achieve with a miracle.
One more thing, Hades is not stronger than Athena, the goddess is equal in power to Hades or even stronger because her weapons are better, since she has the most powerful weapons or sacred treasures in this franchise (Nike grants her the victory in any fight and has won every battle since mythology). Cronus is not stronger than Hades, this god is weaker than any of the three emperors and Athena, who stand out among the Olympian gods, the highest gods and only surpassed by Chronos.
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Yes ik, I’m gonna use this chain for the crt I’m about to make.
