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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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I'm not that far in saint Seiya yet but this is usually the scan I see when they bring up heat feats
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It was Aiolos in G infinity break iirc.
It was an active ability where he focused and concentrated
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As I said it is an anti-feat, or the magma in that volcano is not so hot.
Only Defteros and Tenma with a special ability they trained, because Defteros still uses magma to attack with one of his techniques and Defteros uses this attack against someone of the level of a Gold Saint. And Tenma can only withstand magma for a short time, even with Seventh Sense he almost died in the volcano eruption.
Aiolos only says that he is going to go through the sphere with his technique, he never says that he has reached that temperature.
Even in that scene, Aiolos says that he cannot withstand the temperature of that sphere and that if he touches it he dies.
In Requiem, Kokuto (Saga) says that Shura's arm cannot withstand the heat of the sphere created by Brontes (5,400 degrees Celsius). This is a much more powerful version of Shura than that Aiolos and Brontes is also more powerful than a Gold Saint of that level (and can only generate 5,400 degrees Celsius with his cosmos).
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Lets not forget Shuras Arm aren't like what they used to be
Additionally, aiolos says he needs to surpass a million degrees
Third, aiolos proved in that scan that Active powers and resistance is > passive
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Shura’s prosthetics are semi-destroyed already burnt to a crisp from Ex-Machina left overs from Amaterasu’s cloth.
I don’t think they’re reliable for scaling.
I don’t think they’re reliable for scaling.
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Yes, I think there is some truth to this. I think I'm going to make a UES blog for cosmos when staff iron out the UES staff only thread and creat the UES page.
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Shura is much stronger than before. The version of Requiem is probably one of the strongest Gold Saints in the franchise. In his arms he has divine weapons like swords.
Aiolos only says that his attack has to pass through that sphere, not exceed its temperature.
In that scene, Aiolos clearly states that he cannot touch that sphere.
Sphere with a million degrees >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aiolos' resistance.
It is a divine weapon, they were even so powerful that they destroyed the giant created by Brontes.
Kokuto says that he cannot touch that sphere, even with a divine weapon, superior to a Gold Cloth he cannot touch that sphere.
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No dude, it was a technique used AFTER Seiya activated the cloth. They only acted as prosthetics before that.
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They still have the resistance of a divine weapon (the materials do not change), and the power of multiple sacred swords with a resistance comparable or superior to a Gold Cloth, and Shura's own cosmos more powerful than a Gold Saint.
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No they don’t.
you’ve literally proved in this very discussion that Shura’s prosthetics do not scale to the heat resistance of Gold Cloths.
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A divine weapon more powerful than a Gold Cloth, and the power of multiple sacred swords in his hands and the cosmos of a Saint that surpasses a Gold Saint.
The high temperature resistance of a Gold Cloth is unknown. Aiolos says it can't withstand a million degrees and the best a Gold Cloth can withstand is the temperature of magma for an unknown amount of time.
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You’re de-contextualising the scenes. Shura’s prosthetics were already visibly burnt/corroded before he even swings his Excalibur, and they were not activated. Seiya had to activate Amaterasu’s dunamis within the sword.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a divine weapon, if it’s already damaged and has no divine cosmo present in it, it cannot be used to scale to anything reliably.
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They are divine weapons, yet they are more powerful than a Gold Cloth, the divine items are much more powerful than the Gold Cloths. And Shura's cosmos is much greater than the cosmos of a Gold Saint, and his hands also have the swords of the other gladiators. The armor of Athena and the armor of the gods is still powerful, even if they do not use their weapons or armor. This is like Hyperion's sword, even when Hyperion did not use his sword, it was still so strong that Genbu's full power with a Libra Weapon could only scratch the sword (even though the Libra Weapon was destroyed by the impact).
A divine weapon used by a Saint that is more powerful than a Gold Saint, this indicates that this weapon is much more powerful than a Gold Cloth, it also has the swords and powers of the other gladiators in those arms.
Shura with 9th sense, divine weapons and swords of other gladiators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gold Saint with his God Cloth
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I’d rather talk to a brick wall for 6 hours than continue this discussion.
I’ve made my point.
I’ve made my point.
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You can continue with this.
It does not change that Shura is much more powerful than a Gold Saint and has divine items and holy swords in his arms, and this Shura cannot withstand the temperature of the attack of Brontes, who is also more powerful than a Gold Saint.
It does not change that Shura is much more powerful than a Gold Saint and has divine items and holy swords in his arms, and this Shura cannot withstand the temperature of the attack of Brontes, who is also more powerful than a Gold Saint.
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Typical
confirmation bias, the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one's existing beliefs.
confirmation bias, the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one's existing beliefs.
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The only thing I see is the typical overvaluation using bad translations or a misinterpretation of Episode.G's feats, even though literally a sequel says otherwise.
Nothing comparable to other versions of the protagonists as Gold Saints, for example Seiya in Omega, who is stupidly powerful, the guy might even be the most powerful Gold Saint in the franchise.
Gold Saints stronger than the average rank, if all protagonists have the level of Hyoga, who dominates the absolute zero in that story.
Nothing comparable to other versions of the protagonists as Gold Saints, for example Seiya in Omega, who is stupidly powerful, the guy might even be the most powerful Gold Saint in the franchise.
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It is never mentioned that they possessed that sense in that story. They only fought against a god in a human body, a god who did not yet fully control his host and did not have his sacred treasures and divine armor. This is unimpressive even compared to the protagonists who fought against Poseidon (fully awake, wearing his divine armor, using his sacred treasure and amplified by the fury).
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The strongest Golds in the franchise
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Shura in that story has the 9th, they are fighting alongside him vs aiolia, who has the 9th, seiya is temporarily matching aiolia with a gods armor, so 9th tier just for that, Shun straight up blocked Zeus attacks, and Hyoga contained the overflow of destructive light that seiya created by transmutating Zeus attacks. Shiryu and Ikki landed a hit on aiolia as well
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He didn’t understand what you meant. He thinks you’re saying all the golds have 9th sense, not that they’ve demonstrated feats on that level.
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GA makes in undoubtedly clear Zeus Aiolia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything the Saints fought in Classic.
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Seiya have the Kusanagi Sword and the power of Amaterasu. And the Bronze Saints (now Gold Saints) were combining their powers to challenge Zeus, who does not have all the power of a god and is only in a human body (without his divine armor and sacred treasures). The protas are never mentioned as having the 9th sense in this story. Although they can fight against gods, this is not something new, even in the classic manga the protagonists fought against gods.
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Zeus doesn’t have a soul, Aiolos destroyed it in LW.
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lemme see the scan again and I’ll get back to u
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Athena says that Shaka's attacks can't reach Hades' soul, maybe it's because of his resistance or it's simply difficult to reach it. Although Shura could only damage Zeus' soul, when he was struggling to control his host (this is similar to when Shun controls Hades' soul and asks Ikki to destroy it). Also the souls of gods like Hades are universes in this franchise.
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Chapter 79
