Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

[TheUnshakableOne]

After reading the Chapter.

Asclepius knows the future and knew that Athena was going to travel back in time to save Seiya.

Asclepius' soul can possess Odysseus' body, although this takes several years. When half of Asclepius' soul took possession of Odysseus, he would awaken as the Golden Ophiuchus, therefore, Asclepius' soul probably does not yet take full control of Odysseus' body.

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Athena: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Athena_(Saint_Seiya)

One question why Athena has Acausality (type 2), when in the scans they put in the description they don't indicate anything that shows this type of Acausality, even the Gold Saints disappeared and returned to their time and world when the Black Core (the power and portal that connects the worlds) disappeared. And the gods are affected by the changes in time.

Athena's purpose is to travel back in time to save Seiya and steal Hades' sword in the past to change the story and prevent the god from hurting Seiya. The main canon of the franchise indicates that the gods are affected by changes in time.

In The Lost Canvas, Avenir's time travel changed the story of his world, even preventing Athena's death in the future and Hades' victory. The change of time affects the fate and story of these gods.

The Acausality doesn't make any sense in this franchise, because the gods are affected by changes in time.

She had it before acausality was divided up into types. so we don't know what type she really has

and yes, the gods due to have a form of acausality.


The universe can't correct them at all despite being anomalies in tha world. Time was trying to swallow shura and correct itself but it couldn't because of Athenas ichor.


If you have a problem with that being acausality then you should have an issue with the wiki as a whole. This wiki gives out acausality like an opera meme.

"You get acausality. He gets acausality. WE ALL GET ACAUSALITY!"

And some gods have shown they aren't affected by time at all.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The universe can't correct them at all despite being anomalies in tha world. Time was trying to swallow shura and correct itself but it couldn't because of Athenas ichor.

The world is corrected and they disappeared when the power that allowed them to reach that world disappears. They only existed in that world because of the power of the Black Core. This has nothing to do with the power of the gods, and the blood of Athena.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The world is corrected and they disappeared when the power that allowed them to reach that world disappears. They only existed in that world because of the power of the Black Core. This has nothing to do with the power of the gods, and the blood of Athena.

Ah okay, yeah i was referring to the gods and their blood

like Zeus says hes independent of time and worlds

Then Gods can pass through the Super Dimensional space

Even with 3 Athena's in 1 timeline. They don't succumb to the same effects of the world like the saints do.

Cronos resetting the universe in G is weird though

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Ah okay, yeah i was referring to the gods and their blood

like Zeus says hes independent of time and worlds

Then Gods can pass through the Super Dimensional space

Even with 3 Athena's in 1 timeline. They don't succumb to the same effects of the world like the saints do.

Cronos resetting the universe in G is weird though

Assassin's version is a Zeus that travels to other worlds, that's why he indicates that he is not independent of time and space, and this is only mentioned when he indicates that Aiolia is his destined avatar, Zeus cannot return without a special avatar.

That indicates that they have resistance to time and space manipulation, because they can travel through that place, but this does not indicate that they have Acausality.

Athena of the other world was dead and Yoshino was only half of Athena, even she and Saori were destined to fight with Tomoe like the rest of the Saints, but at the end of the manga, Tomoe disappears from that world with Aiolos and the Saints, when the Black Core disappeared.

The time manipulation of Cronus does not affect the world in this way, even humans were not affected at the beginning.

The only Acasuality they could have is type 4, because some characters are changing their destiny, even Paradox's Precognition always failed, because the main characters changed their destiny.

• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Acausality

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Assassin's version is a Zeus that travels to other worlds, that's why he indicates that he is not independent of time and space, and this is only mentioned when he indicates that Aiolia is his destined avatar, Zeus cannot return without a special avatar.

That indicates that they have resistance to time and space manipulation, because they can travel through that place, but this does not indicate that they have Acausality.

Athena of the other world was dead and Yoshino was only half of Athena, even she and Saori were destined to fight with Tomoe like the rest of the Saints, but at the end of the manga, Tomoe disappears from that world with Aiolos and the Saints, when the Black Core disappeared.

The time manipulation of Cronus does not affect the world in this way, even humans were not affected at the beginning.

The only Acasuality they could have is type 4, because some characters are changing their destiny, even Paradox's Precognition always failed, because the main characters changed their destiny.

I can agree to acausality Type 4 with but id like to hear more of your reasoning behind it

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

I can agree to acausality Type 4 with but id like to hear more of your reasoning behind it

As an example of this type of Acausality I only remember the example of Paradox, because the protagonists changed their future (they created their own future) and this neutralized their precognition.

In the last chapter of Saintia Sho it is explained that Shoko changed her destiny as the host of Eris, even in some previous chapters it is explained that she changed her destiny as the star of misfortune and now she would bring hope.

Eris destroyed Nike, an artifact that grants victory (probably by manipulating causality and destiny) to Athena in all her battles.

Although other Saints like Tenma only fulfill their destiny, even this is the reason why he gets the God Cloth, because he was destined to get that armor as Pegasus and fight with Hades.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

As an example of this type of Acausality I only remember the example of Paradox, because the protagonists changed their future (they created their own future) and this neutralized their precognition.

In the last chapter of Saintia Sho it is explained that Shoko changed her destiny as the host of Eris, even in some previous chapters it is explained that she changed her destiny as the star of misfortune and now she would bring hope.

Eris destroyed Nike, an artifact that grants victory to Athena in all her battles.

Although other Saints like Tenma only fulfill their destiny, even this is the reason why he gets the God Cloth, because he was destined to get that armor as Pegasus and fight with Hades.

off topic question but i was reading rough translations of the new ND chapter. Whats your opinon on this line?

"As the time axis is different between past and future, even a day in the future can turn into many years for us from the past"

is this saying that every moment in time is a different temporal axis?

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

off topic question but i was reading rough translations of the new ND chapter. Whats your opinon on this line?

"As the time axis is different between past and future, even a day in the future can turn into many years for us from the past"

is this saying that every moment in time is a different temporal axis?

I don't understand. What does it mean if each time is a different temporal axis?. That's why I didn't pay attention to that part.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I don't understand. What does it mean if each time is a different temporal axis?. That's why I didn't pay attention to that part.

id have to ask the professional again but i remember a staff member talking about it and results in a low 1-A rating if a character scales to it.

but that sentence could also be talking about the difference between Seiya's world and Tenma's world being different time axisesi think. im still trying to understand it.

 

[StekFence]

id have to ask the professional again but i remember a staff member talking about it and results in a low 1-A rating if a character scales to it.

but that sentence could also be talking about the difference between Seiya's world and Tenma's world being different time axisesi think. im still trying to understand it.

Aren’t they the same world tho? Just different parts of it?

 

[StekFence]

Although imo. It sounds like each ‘’section’’ of time is its own Time axis. So, if timelines split based on choices, or seconds passing or something like that, each individual resulting has its own Time axis. It should reasonably apply to any moment in time, and it’s future variant from the sounds of things. Then again I’m just speculating

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Although imo. It sounds like each ‘’section’’ of time is its own Time axis. So, if timelines split based on choices, or seconds passing or something like that, each individual resulting has its own Time axis. It should reasonably apply to any moment in time, and it’s future variant from the sounds of things. Then again I’m just speculating

That's what I thought

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Some Spoilers for Saintia Sho stage 85.

The Saintias sacrifice their lives in a ritual to resurrect Saori. In the end, only Shoko survives and gets her new armor thanks to the connection with Saori and the Saintias. Saori and Shoko fight Eris.

• This means that Eris killed Athena, the only antagonist in the franchise to kill Athena.
• Shoko stops an attack by Eris, officially Shoko leaves her place as the weakest protagonist in the franchise and is more powerful than Tenma and other protagonists.

Ranking from the strongest to the weakest of the main characters:

• Koga with Super Omega Cloth (Saint Seiya Omega)
• Seiya with God Cloth (Classic Manga)
• Aiolia with Keraunos and Deumanis (Episode.G)
• Shoko with Dress (Saintia Sho), will probably even go higher in the next chapter
• Shura (Assassin)
• Mei (Gigantomachia)
• Aiolia with God Cloth (Soul of Gold)
• Tenma with God Cloth (The Lost Canvas)
• Shouchiro (Dark Wing), the new protagonist of the franchise and not yet mastered his powers as Wyvern Specter.

 

[StekFence]

Dam. Shoko be speedrunning this list.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

 

[StekFence]

Interesting

 

[StekFence]

I believe that koga should get the sag cloth as optional equipment, and Eden should have Arias staff.

 

[StekFence]

Also, Seiya punched? abzu out of koga so idk what that would give him

 

[Hasty12345]

Also, Seiya punched? abzu out of koga so idk what that would give him

one hell of a right hook

 

[StekFence]

Also, why does koga without a cloth have wall level dura?

 

[StekFence]

Literally no other saint has that to my knowledge.

 

[StekFence]

one hell of a right hook

He’s not even fighting off his own Possession. He fought off someone else’s

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Reviewing Athena's page, it seems that we will have to correct some details of the information on that page.

Athena (Saint Seiya)

Athena (Greek Attic: Αθηνά), is the Goddess of Wisdom, Cunning, War, Strategy, Civilization, and Hope. She is also the favorite child of Zeus; the king of gods regarded her presence and words as more important and precious than any others. Naturally, this resulted in the birth of many rivalries...

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This part of the description makes no sense.

The Gods are vastly superior to Gold Saints such as Capricorn Shura who can cut twenty billion souls at once, and Cancer Deathmask (Saint Seiya) whom can destroy twenty billion souls all at once. The power of Ohm could also affect twenty billion souls..

• Shura never cuts 20 billion souls, he only cuts the connection with Hyoga's daughter's body. In addition, Shura has the power of the Underworld, a power comparable to the sword of Hades to be able to perform such a feat,
• Deathmask never destroys that amount of souls and only sends them to the Underworld (Cocytus) with the portal they created when Hyoga, Camus and Isaac's attacks collided in the fight.

Spoiler

• They were not real and complete human souls, that's why they had such a small shape, souls don't have that shape in Saint Seiya and they were all in a small area.

Gods can destroy souls easily, but it is better to use reliable feats in character descriptions such as Ker destroying the Lemur (evil spirit) with a simple stomp.

Spoiler

This is a feat of the main universe and a work written by Kurumada, who is the main author of the franchise, and not a parallel universe.

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These divine beings generate more heat than any Gold Saint whom can reach temperatures of over a million degrees when focusing their attacks

Aiolos never reaches or exceeds 1 million degrees, the technique of does not even consist of generating heat. Aiolos only says that he will overcome that sphere, because his arrows go through it. Even he himself indicates that if he touches that sphere of fire he will die.
Aiolos: Prominencia solar... llamas que superan el 1 millón de grados. Un contacto directo me costaría la vida.

Spoiler

Also, all the character feats in Episode.G have to be revised from the original material in Japanase, because it is a manga with a horrible translation. It is even better to remove the information of Episode.G from the pages.

In The Lost Canvas, a Specter like Kagaho, specialized in the use of fire, is injured by the heat of friction with the atmosphere and dies when he approaches the sun.

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The Saints can reach temperatures of a million degrees, but several Gold Saints and warriors of this level use attacks with magma that does not reach that temperature.

• Odysseus was almost killed by magma from a volcano.
• Tenma almost died stopping the eruption of a volcano.
• Defteros uses lava with the Mavros Eruption Crust technique and Aspros has to block this technique with the Galaxian Explosion, therefore Aspros (Gold Saint) cannot directly receive this technique without taking damage.
• Kokalo (a Berserker of the Flame Squad specialized in using high temperature attacks) uses magma in his attacks and a Gold Saints like Degel has to use his ice to protect himself from the magma.
• Hagen in the anime uses magma from a volcano to fight Hyoga.

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The Divine weapons were created with the intention to permanently kill gods. For example. Gaia created a weapon for the king of the Titans Cronos to slay Uranus. Gaia then proceeded to create weapons for all twelve of the Titans whom all gone to war with the Olympians whom consisted of gods such as Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon.

Titans can't even destroy souls, but they can kill a god. Even Uranus in Requiem gives power to the Cyclops and they also cannot destroy souls or kill immortals, that's why Stereopes could not kill Seiya with the immortality that Shun with a fraction of Hades' power gives him.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The description of Dark Wing chapter 6 on the official Akita Shoten website describes that Aiolos was erased from existence in the previous chapter.
存在を消し去られてしまったアイオロス！　謎を追うパンドラ・夜姫の前に、新たな敵が立ちふさがる！
https://www.akitashoten.co.jp/red

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Why do the Gold Saints have Regeneration High?

Sagittarius Aiolos

"To the young men who here arrived, I entrust Athena to your care." — Sagittarius Aiolos' dying will Sagittarius Aiolos (射手座サジタリアスのアイオロス, Sajitariasu no Aiorosu) is the Gold Saint of the Sagittarius Constellation, and the older brother of Leo Aiolia. Alongside Gemini Saga, Aiolos was a senior of...

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Regeneration (High)

It's ridiculous, because Aiolos died with some injuries and the Saints say all the time that they are human, therefore a serious injury can kill them, that's why they use armor to protect their body and avoid taking mortal damage.

High: The ability to regenerate from a few scattered or lone molecules, atoms, or sub-atomic particles.

Regeneration

Regeneration, often referred to as a healing factor, is the ability to passively heal oneself from wounds at an accelerated rate, with many characters proving capable of regenerating from wounds that would be lethal to normal humans. It has several different levels that range in potency from...

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The Saints and Gold Saints never showed that level of regeneration in the manga.

The only time Saints heal or regenerate damage to their body was when Shiryu heals their eyes after reaching Seventh Sense, and this only indicates a Mid-Low or High-Low Regeneration.

We need to prepare a CRT to remove and change all these nonsense skills.

Also some descriptions of the power and durability of the characters are pretty bad.

Stated as being the strongest Gold Saint by Aries Mu, Capricorn Shura and Virgo Shaka. Said to be the strongest Gold Saint by the narration four times over two consecutive pages. Has been stated to have strength superior to Saga's.

Aiolos is described as the most powerful Gold Saint, when Kurumada confirms in Zero and Next Dimension that Saga is stronger than Aiolos.

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[TheUnshakableOne]

Why do the Gold Saints have Regeneration High?

Sagittarius Aiolos

"To the young men who here arrived, I entrust Athena to your care." — Sagittarius Aiolos' dying will Sagittarius Aiolos (射手座サジタリアスのアイオロス, Sajitariasu no Aiorosu) is the Gold Saint of the Sagittarius Constellation, and the older brother of Leo Aiolia. Alongside Gemini Saga, Aiolos was a senior of...

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Regeneration (High)

It's ridiculous, because Aiolos died with some injuries and the Saints say all the time that they are human, therefore a serious injury can kill them, that's why they use armor to protect their body and avoid taking mortal damage.

Regeneration

Regeneration, often referred to as a healing factor, is the ability to passively heal oneself from wounds at an accelerated rate, with many characters proving capable of regenerating from wounds that would be lethal to normal humans. It has several different levels that range in potency from...

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High: The ability to regenerate from a few scattered or lone molecules, atoms, or sub-atomic particles.

The Saints and Gold Saints never showed that level of regeneration in the manga.

The only time Saints heal or regenerate damage to their body was when Shiryu heals their eyes after reaching Seventh Sense, and this only indicates a Mid-Low or High-Low Regeneration.

Honestly i was asking the same thing. I have no idea where it came from. tbh was thinking about making a removal thread for some abilities. Like Where does Shaka get Time Manipulation from? Why does Kanon and Saga have Space and Time Manipilation? Another Dimension is like BFR + Portal creation.

Aiolia has non-passive healing which acts similar to regeneration but its different. He reattached his arm together.

Some of the abilities are outdated on the pages.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Honestly i was asking the same thing. I have no idea where it came from. tbh was thinking about making a removal thread for some abilities. Like Where does Shaka get Time Manipulation from? Why does Kanon and Saga have Space and Time Manipilation? Another Dimension is like BFR + Portal creation.

Aiolia has non-passive healing which acts similar to regeneration but its different. He reattached his arm together.

Some of the abilities are outdated on the pages.

In Saint Seiya the travel to other dimensions and the creation of portals are described as powers of space and time (even the distortion of space and time in Next Dimension is creating portals to other dimensions), probably why some user added those powers in the pages, but in the wikia currently it is only dimensional movement, creation of portals and bfr.

The only power they showed over time manipulation is time travel in their astral form and some resistance to time and space manipulation, because the cosmos of the Gold Saints protected Saori and Shijima from the distortion of space and time.

Another detail from Shaka's page in the BFR descriptions

Virgo Shaka

Flowers bloom, but eventually wither. The stars shine, yet one day shall fade. Everything dies. The Earth, the Sun, the Milky Way... Even the entire universe is no exception. When compared to all that... The lives of men are as brief and elusive as the blink of an eye. In this small instant, men...

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The six worlds where Shaka sends the opponent are not part of the Underworld of Hades, because they are the worlds of Buddhism in the cycle of reincarnation.

Spoiler

Shaka should probably get Death Manipulation, because the Rikudo Rinne kills and forces the opponent to reincarnate in one of the six worlds.

The Tenkūhaja Chimimōryō summons evil spirits from the rivers and mountains that they possess and kill the opponent.
【天空覇邪魑魅魍魎（てんくうはじゃちみもうりょう）】
魑魅魍魎を呼び出し相手に憑りつかせ死に追いやる技。

キャラクター詳細｜MUSEUM｜聖闘士星矢

聖闘士星矢に登場するキャラクターを紹介するページです。

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Also Fire Manipulation, because he uses Hell flames in his fight with Ikki.

Spoiler

Acausality has to be removed as a Seventh Sense ability and probably added as an ability from his Astral Form. In addition, it is probably a Type 5 Acausality because they transcend space and time, and they exist on a different plane of existence like Nirvana.

 

[StekFence]

so uh, sasha is canon now I think.

 

[StekFence]

Like Where does Shaka get Time Manipulation from?

He might get it from asmita stopping time

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

In Saint Seiya the travel to other dimensions and the creation of portals are described as powers of space and time (even the distortion of space and time in Next Dimension is creating portals to other dimensions), probably why some user added those powers in the pages, but in the wikia currently it is only dimensional movement, creation of portals and bfr.

The only power they showed over time is time travel in their astral form and some resistance to time and space manipulation, because the cosmos of the Gold Saints protected Saori and Shijima from the distortion of space and time.

Another detail from Shaka's page in the BFR descriptions

Virgo Shaka

Flowers bloom, but eventually wither. The stars shine, yet one day shall fade. Everything dies. The Earth, the Sun, the Milky Way... Even the entire universe is no exception. When compared to all that... The lives of men are as brief and elusive as the blink of an eye. In this small instant, men...

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The six worlds where Shaka sends the opponent are not part of the Underworld of Hades, because they are the worlds of Buddhism in the cycle of reincarnation.

Spoiler

Shaka should probably get Death Manipulation, because the Rikudo Rinne kills and forces the opponent to reincarnate in one of the six worlds.

The Tenkūhaja Chimimōryō summons evil spirits from the rivers and mountains that they possess and kill the opponent.
【天空覇邪魑魅魍魎（てんくうはじゃちみもうりょう）】
魑魅魍魎を呼び出し相手に憑りつかせ死に追いやる技。

キャラクター詳細｜MUSEUM｜聖闘士星矢

聖闘士星矢に登場するキャラクターを紹介するページです。

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Also Fire Manipulation, because he uses Hell flames in his fight with Ikki.

Spoiler

Acausality has to be removed as a Seventh Sense ability and probably added as an ability from his Astral Form. In addition, it is probably a Type 5 Acausality because they transcend space and time, and they exist on a different plane of existence like Nirvana.

iirc doesn't Hades do buhddist stuff later like in Assassins? Also, some of the prisons sound similar to what shaka is talking about


Time travel in SS-verse is such a weird concept

You can't get Type 5 Acausality from transcending space and time. At best its Type 4 but it needs more substance

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

He might get it from asmita stopping time

His ability doesn't really seem like time stop, it was probably a mental ability, it could be similar to what Charles Xavier showed in the X-men movie when he stopped the movement of people in the room.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

His ability doesn't really seem like time stop, it was probably a mental ability, it could be similar to what Charles Xavier showed in the X-men movie when he stopped the movement of people in the room.

yeah im in agreement here. it didn't feel like time manipulation. He could have also trapped them in an illusion.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

iirc doesn't Hades do buhddist stuff later like in Assassins? Also, some of the prisons sound similar to what shaka is talking about

I don't remember them mentioning a Buddhist concept in Assassin.

The Jinkai is the human world and the Jugokukai is probably the Underworld of Hades, but the Gakikai, Shurakai, Tenkai, etc, are different worlds or realms, even the Next Dimension confirms the existence of Nirvana as a different plane of existence.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I don't remember them mentioning a Buddhist concept in Assassin.

The Jinkai is the human world and the Jugokukai is probably the Underworld of Hades, but the Gakikai, Shurakai, Tenkai, etc, are different worlds or realms, even the Next Dimension confirms the existence of Nirvana as a different plane of existence.

Something with hades sword and samsara I'll get the scan once I have time

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Something with hades sword and samsara I'll get the scan once I have time

In Assassin, only the reincarnation cycle is mentioned, so Seiya (Pegasus Saint) could not be reincarnated again, because Hades sent his soul into the void (as Aiolos says this is the true annihilation). Bad luck for Seiya, because only the Gold Saints can exist after their soul was completely destroyed and now they exist on a different plane as Nirvana.

 

[StekFence]

His ability doesn't really seem like time stop, it was probably a mental ability, it could be similar to what Charles Xavier showed in the X-men movie when he stopped the movement of people in the room.

I considered it was paralysis, but I then remembered that the waterfall also stopped. So idk

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

I considered it was paralysis, but I then remembered that the waterfall also stopped. So idk

In the scene of Yato and Yzuriha the waterfall never stops moving, even the stones and blood around it still move.

In the Gaiden the Specters were never paralyzed and they only observe that the waterfall stops, this was probably Asmita using telekinesis to manipulate the flow of the waterfall, even in the next scene we can see that it creates a maelstrom with the blood of the waterfall.

Spoiler

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

id like to add that time stop is such an over used ability that, but so rare in the verse that if it is Time Stop. it'll be baseline is almost 90% useless in matches lol

does the supposed "Time Stop" that Asmita does have any supporting evidence in the Gaiden?

Considering his affinity for illusions thats what i think it was still. Similar to how Ikki was stopped in place by Shaka's illusions and Ikki thought he ran a distance of 10^60th (A nayuta) but he really didn't move at all.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Reviewing Asmita's Gaiden and Tenma's page, it's strange that Tenma has the Eighth Sense on his page, when it is never mentioned that he reached that sense in the story.

Pegasus Tenma

Pegasus Tenma is the main protagonist of the Saint Seiya spin-off/alternate universe story The Lost Canvas, written and drawn by Shiori Teshirogi. He is the Pegasus Saint of the 18th Century and the reincarnation of the Mythological Pegasus Saint who's destined to battle against Hades. An orphan...

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It is even mentioned that Tenma has resurrection, when he never resurrects in the entire manga, he even dies in the cosmos explosion when Hades's soul was sent to the Underworld.

In addition, the concept of the Eighth Sense is different in TLC, in Asmita's Gaiden it is mentioned that Ashima (Asmita's friend) reached the Eighth Sense, but he cannot resurrect after death, even Asmita himself mentions that he cannot give Ashima a new body to get him out of that place.

Spoiler

In the special chapter of Ilias, the Eighth Sense only allows to exist as a free spirit of the Underworld after death (Asmita describes the Eighth Sense as a sense that allows seeing and feeling in other dimensions even after death), and it is also mentioned that only Ilias, Sysiphus and Asmita reached the Eighth Sense.
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The power to destroy souls also has to be removed from Tenma's page, because it never destroys a soul in the manga. In TLC, the Saints cannot destroy soul, that's why they needed the rosary to seal the souls of the Specters to prevent the power of Hades from resurrecting them.

Only the Cancer Saint and Asmita fighting in the Underworld against a soul or enemy, can affect souls. And Sasha as a goddess can destroy souls, that's why she was able to kill Oneiros and destroy the soul of the dream gods (Tenma could not destroy the soul of Morpheus and eliminate the god forever)..

does the supposed "Time Stop" that Asmita does have any supporting evidence in the Gaiden?

Only the waterfall scene, but it is likely that he uses telekinesis to manipulate the flow of the waterfall.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Reviewing Asmita's Gaiden and Tenma page, it's strange that Tenma has the Eighth Sense on his page, when it is never mentioned that he reached that sense in the story.

Pegasus Tenma

Pegasus Tenma is the main protagonist of the Saint Seiya spin-off/alternate universe story The Lost Canvas, written and drawn by Shiori Teshirogi. He is the Pegasus Saint of the 18th Century and the reincarnation of the Mythological Pegasus Saint who's destined to battle against Hades. An orphan...

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It is even mentioned that Tenma has resurrection, when he never resurrects in the entire manga, he even dies in the cosmos explosion when Hades's soul was sent to the Underworld.

In addition, the concept of the Eighth Sense is different in TLC, in Asmita's Gaiden it is mentioned that Ashima (Asmita's friend) reached the Eighth Sense, but he cannot resurrect after death, even Asmita himself mentions that he cannot give Ashima a new body to get him out of that place.

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In the special chapter of Ilias, the Eighth Sense only allows to exist as a free spirit of the Underworld after death (Asmita describes the Eighth Sense as a sense that allows seeing and feeling in other dimensions even after death), and it is also mentioned that only Ilias, Sysiphus and Asmita reached the Eighth Sense.
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The power to destroy souls also has to be removed from Tenma's page, because it never destroys a soul in the manga. In TLC, the Saints cannot destroy soul, that's why they needed the rosary to seal the souls of the Specters to prevent the power of Hades from resurrecting them.

Only the Cancer Saint and Asmita fighting in the Underworld against a soul or enemy, can affect souls. And Sasha as a goddess can destroy souls, that's why she was able to kill Oneiros and destroy the soul of the dream gods (Tenma could not destroy the soul of Morpheus and eliminate the god forever)..

Only the waterfall scene, but it is likely that he uses telekinesis to manipulate the flow of the waterfall.

tbh i question why a lot of characters have the 8th sense. Shaka its fine for him to have, but the other characters. if i remember right were ressurected by Athena, right?

I don't think its different but we don't know a whole about the concept. its never fully elaborated upon. were always just given hints about what it can do but we don't know what its limit is.