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I think if there are not statement about concept senses of each universes are difference, we can treated it as the same
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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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As I said before, in some basic concepts this is possible, but in others that are clearly different it is not, especially when we talk about a work in which the author was no longer involved at that time. One of these concepts is the 8th Sense, which is different between classic manga and TLC, the rest of the works have the advantage that they did not explain anything new or introduce an explanation about that sense. And maybe others as several concepts about the Specters that are different in TLC, and others more, like the Superdimension as a random Another Dimension only used by the gods in TLC (instead of a part of the world of the dead created by Hades), the time travel of the Saints in TLC had no consequences for the universe (unlike in Next Dimension where the time travel of Athena and the Saints is destroying the universe, that's why Chronos warned them not to change the time), in fact most of the cross-scale problems of concepts is thanks to TLC.
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Given your history of intentionally misrepresenting scans, I don’t trust your interpretation of just about everything. So pardon me when I say, I don’t agree.
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Considering your history of exaggerating some feats, the use of mistranslations and misinterpretation of various scenes to create a head canon (which is never described in the original manga or any of Kurumada's work, it even seems as if you have never read Kurumada's works even though they are the main canon of this franchise), this is not strange.
I just hope I never again read nonsense from some users about multiversal beings or higher dimensions that are never described in this franchise.
I just hope I never again read nonsense from some users about multiversal beings or higher dimensions that are never described in this franchise.
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Quite ironic coming from you
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The irony is that you mention it.Quite ironic coming from you
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The irony is that you mention it.
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I never said that was true, I just mentioned that it is the only description in this franchise about some multiversal nonsense in this franchise, which is true. Another misinterpretation on your part, on the contrary you still think the Titans have universal feats or some Gold Saint in Episode.G has some universal feat. Or the nonsense of the ninth and tenth sense, or a great will that the gods awaken to become gods, something that was never mentioned in the classic manga or Kurumada's work. In your head canon that exists in Kurumada's universe, but in the main canon of the franchise that doesn't exist. That's why it's so ironic that the person who says all this nonsense says that.
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This just speaks to how little you understand the arguments presented against you.
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I understand them and I have read this manga (even reviewed the manga in Japanese) to know that this is wrong, on the contrary you don't even seem to understand what others write or try to explain to you.
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Some news of Saint Seiya and Kurumada.
The Champion Red #1 2022 (published this month) announces the return of Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas with a new short story centered on Defteros that will begin publication in the next issue. The story is published to celebrate the inclusion of Defteros to the videogame Zodiac Brave, previously other stories had already been published to celebrate the inclusion of Manigoldo and other characters to the videogame. It is also announced that Saint Seiya: Dark Wing will be the cover of the magazine and some color images in that issue .
The magazine also announces that Kurumada is starting a new project unrelated to Saint Seiya, some speculate that it may be a new chapter special or a new series related to Fuma no Kojiro by the image. If this is a new manga, this confirms that Saint Seiya: Next Dimension will not have an ending in the next decade.
The author (Jérôme Alquié) of the new spin-off Saint Seiya: Bande Dessinée (a French comic to be released in 2022) showed some images about the comic.
The first volume or chapter of the comic will have 54 pages + 8 pages of a side story about the origin of one of the Cloths of the Bronze Saints. The first chapter seems to be based on Ikki, so the side story will show the origin of this armor.
The first volume will take place after the fight with the Silver Saints, but before the beginning of the Sanctuary fight. However, Jérôme Alquié explains that each volume will have a different chronology, so the other volumes may take place after the Sanctuary Arc.
About the antagonists, apparently there will be 12 generals. One of these 12 warriors is called Arctos (it's the image I posted before). Alquié explains that he is based on Scottish / Celtic mythology to create the character of Arctos, the creature that represents his armor is a Kelpie.
The Champion Red #1 2022 (published this month) announces the return of Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas with a new short story centered on Defteros that will begin publication in the next issue. The story is published to celebrate the inclusion of Defteros to the videogame Zodiac Brave, previously other stories had already been published to celebrate the inclusion of Manigoldo and other characters to the videogame. It is also announced that Saint Seiya: Dark Wing will be the cover of the magazine and some color images in that issue .
The magazine also announces that Kurumada is starting a new project unrelated to Saint Seiya, some speculate that it may be a new chapter special or a new series related to Fuma no Kojiro by the image. If this is a new manga, this confirms that Saint Seiya: Next Dimension will not have an ending in the next decade.
The author (Jérôme Alquié) of the new spin-off Saint Seiya: Bande Dessinée (a French comic to be released in 2022) showed some images about the comic.
The first volume or chapter of the comic will have 54 pages + 8 pages of a side story about the origin of one of the Cloths of the Bronze Saints. The first chapter seems to be based on Ikki, so the side story will show the origin of this armor.
The first volume will take place after the fight with the Silver Saints, but before the beginning of the Sanctuary fight. However, Jérôme Alquié explains that each volume will have a different chronology, so the other volumes may take place after the Sanctuary Arc.
About the antagonists, apparently there will be 12 generals. One of these 12 warriors is called Arctos (it's the image I posted before). Alquié explains that he is based on Scottish / Celtic mythology to create the character of Arctos, the creature that represents his armor is a Kelpie.
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HAHHAHAHAHAHA something we can agree on
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honestly i wouldn't be mad if be just drops ND lmao
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This graphic novel artistically looks amazing, and I like the new faction. It seems Kuru surrounds himself with authors who are a lot more creative than he is, allowing them to expand on his fiction in many interesting and creative ways.
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LC then takes It's place as the true 18th century Holy War
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It has some interesting concepts honestly, but no clear direction I feel
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I 100000000% agree. The original direction feels lost, and then changed in a different direction over 999999 times over
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Honestly a part of me feels like Kurumada is just somewhat done with Saint Seiya.
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The best thing that can happen to Next Dimension is that this manga ends with the Asclepius arc, and it's not because the story is bad (it's better than what Okada and Shiori currently published about this franchise, an author like Shiori can create really good stories, but she should continue with a new project instead of continuing to publish stories of these characters), it's just because Kurumada doesn't really seem to be interested in that manga.
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Wdym I get that you dislike Okada's work but do you also hate LC's gaidens?
Also I respectfully disagree. If Kurumada wants to finish ND he should at least get to do the long-awaited Zeus/Olympian arc
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I don't see any reason for Zeus to appear in ND. Apollo is more likely. But I dunno. He should either give ND to someone else to finish or just discontinue it
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Ideally he would start over and do it a bit more coherently this time around, but that's the least likely option tbh
Yeah It's just such a letdown. Some people have been waiting for the Zeus saga since before the turn of the century lmao
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No, TLC was a really good manga, the best spin-off of this franchise, and probably competes to be the best manga of the franchise (and the animated adaptation of TMS is one of the best animated works of this franchise). The Gaidens were a good idea to learn more about the Gold Saints, although some were better than others, the Gaidens of Regulus, Hasgard, Sisyphus, Sage and Hakurei were pretty good.
The problem is that Shiori continues to exploit these characters with more stories (even when they already had a Gaiden dedicated to each of them), instead of continuing with a new project for the franchise, and this is the problem with this franchise that the authors are stuck with one group of characters, one setting, one battle and one era. Shiori could start with a new project, maybe something related to the Gigas, because the design of the Gigas was good in Taurus Gaiden, and it could be interesting to see the Silver and Bronze Saints fight with these enemies, in the fight described at the beginning of the manga.
The art looks good, although the armor design of the new characters is uninteresting, but the story is more of the same, a work focused again on the group of Seiya. The side story that will be included in this comic sounds more interesting than the main story.
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It was mentioned that Athena's actions could cause Zeus to transform her into a human, although Kurumada in an old interview indicates that his version of Zeus is probably not an antagonist, Athena's time travel and all that is happening because of her could cause the wrath of the gods. This indicates that Kurumada is planning the Zeus Saga for this manga, where the Bronze Saints will have to save Athena from the wrath of the gods.
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tbh, I don't think Kuru's intentions when he started ND are the same as they are now, ND will likely never finish.
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Although I also wish to see the Zeus / Olympus arc in Next Dimension (like many other fans of this franchise), it is clear that Kurumada is not interested in continuing this manga, so it is better that he finish this work with the Asclepius Arc or this will probably end unfinished because the author passed away in the future.
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Some new images from the French comic.
It looks like the side story will be told as a tale with some images at the bottom of the page. This is the first page of the side story.
A friend explained to me that Arctos (Arctus) is the name of one of the 12 hours, daughters of Chronos (for Nonnus of Panopolis) or of Helios and Selene (Quintus Smyrnaeus), in mythology.
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Auge - first light (initially not part of the set).
Anatolê or Anatolia - sunrise.
Mousikê or Musica - the morning hour of music and study.
Gymnastikê, Gymnastica or Gymnasia - the morning hour of education, training, gymnastics/exercise.
Nymphê or Nympha - the morning hour of ablutions (bathing, washing).
Mesembria - noon.
Sponde - libations poured after lunch.
Elete - prayer, the first of the afternoon work hours.
Aktê, Acte or Cypris - eating and pleasure, the second of the afternoon work hours.
Hesperis - end of the afternoon work hours, start of evening.
Dysis - sunset.
Arktos or Arctus - night sky, constellation (initially not part of the set).
This explains why the armor has a number 12, so the new enemies are based on the hours.
In a painting by Georg Friedrich Kersting the twelve hours appear accompanying Apollo. This could indicate that these warriors could be related to Apollo, perhaps they are his army or warriors under his command, similar to the Satellites of his sister Artemis.
An interesting fact, this is not the first time that Jérôme Alquié works on one of the franchises published by Akita Shoten (publisher that currently holds the publishing rights to the Saint Seiya franchise), he is also working on a spin-off of Captain Harlock published in Akita Shoten's online magazine (Manga Cross).
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It looks like the side story will be told as a tale with some images at the bottom of the page. This is the first page of the side story.
A friend explained to me that Arctos (Arctus) is the name of one of the 12 hours, daughters of Chronos (for Nonnus of Panopolis) or of Helios and Selene (Quintus Smyrnaeus), in mythology.
Horae - Wikipedia
Anatolê or Anatolia - sunrise.
Mousikê or Musica - the morning hour of music and study.
Gymnastikê, Gymnastica or Gymnasia - the morning hour of education, training, gymnastics/exercise.
Nymphê or Nympha - the morning hour of ablutions (bathing, washing).
Mesembria - noon.
Sponde - libations poured after lunch.
Elete - prayer, the first of the afternoon work hours.
Aktê, Acte or Cypris - eating and pleasure, the second of the afternoon work hours.
Hesperis - end of the afternoon work hours, start of evening.
Dysis - sunset.
Arktos or Arctus - night sky, constellation (initially not part of the set).
This explains why the armor has a number 12, so the new enemies are based on the hours.
In a painting by Georg Friedrich Kersting the twelve hours appear accompanying Apollo. This could indicate that these warriors could be related to Apollo, perhaps they are his army or warriors under his command, similar to the Satellites of his sister Artemis.
An interesting fact, this is not the first time that Jérôme Alquié works on one of the franchises published by Akita Shoten (publisher that currently holds the publishing rights to the Saint Seiya franchise), he is also working on a spin-off of Captain Harlock published in Akita Shoten's online magazine (Manga Cross).
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is it ever stated how cold Cocytus is?
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Don’t think so
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Is Olympus (Tenkai) a different dimension in the main universe?.
In the Temple of the Moon on Olympus we can see the Moon.
This could confirm that Olympus is a place that exists in the universe and is a land above the clouds of the planet (as the underwater world or kingdom of Poseidon exists on the seabed of the planet's oceans), although the Moon that appears behind the Temple of Artemis may just be an illusion created by the goddess, similar to how Hades creates an illusion where he shows the Saints the Eclipse in the Elysion.
It seems that all Saints can travel to Olympus in the main universe. In Next Dimension: Athena, Shun, Ikki, Hyoga and Shiryu traveled to Olympus, and other warriors like Touma can travel to Earth and Olympus, and in Saintia Sho: Deathmask (Poena), Ryuthos, Erda, Katya and Olivia can travel to Olympus without problems.
Athena creates a distortion in space and time to create a path to the Temple of the Moon on Olympus, this could confirm that it is another dimension, although she could also have created this path to travel directly to the Temple of the Moon.
To conclude, Shun says that Olympus is the place where the gods reside on Earth, this could indicate that this place exists on Earth or planet, therefore, it is not a different dimension. Although I have to check this scan in Japanese (probably later).
What do you think, is it another dimension or is it just a place in the world?.
In the Temple of the Moon on Olympus we can see the Moon.
This could confirm that Olympus is a place that exists in the universe and is a land above the clouds of the planet (as the underwater world or kingdom of Poseidon exists on the seabed of the planet's oceans), although the Moon that appears behind the Temple of Artemis may just be an illusion created by the goddess, similar to how Hades creates an illusion where he shows the Saints the Eclipse in the Elysion.
It seems that all Saints can travel to Olympus in the main universe. In Next Dimension: Athena, Shun, Ikki, Hyoga and Shiryu traveled to Olympus, and other warriors like Touma can travel to Earth and Olympus, and in Saintia Sho: Deathmask (Poena), Ryuthos, Erda, Katya and Olivia can travel to Olympus without problems.
Athena creates a distortion in space and time to create a path to the Temple of the Moon on Olympus, this could confirm that it is another dimension, although she could also have created this path to travel directly to the Temple of the Moon.
What do you think, is it another dimension or is it just a place in the world?.
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i don't think we know enough about olympus to safely assume its another dimension. could just be a moutain protected by some barrier
we lack information.
we lack information.
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It could be a spatially isolated dimension on Earth, think of like a snow globe where only the Olympians can get in
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that is also possible
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Yes but it's not impressive as you think. That pulverization which gers multi solar system results. I've calc'ed it before.
But pulverization doesn't match up with what saints do either. Especially saga
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Photon Burst doesn't turn things to dust
