Saber(Fate/Stay Night) VS Accelerator

[Zhaoshuais]

Both side start without being hurt or weakened,Saber start with enough mana and Avalon connected,Accelerator start at pre-headshot condition,that means no time limit,but also no angel form.

Battlefield:do not allow Accelerator to fly high and attack from sky,as Accelerator can carry a hugh stone(may be as large as a mountain)to absorb a shot from Excalibur,and then Saber can do nothing.

As everyone knows,Saber can defeat Shirou easily,and Touma beats Accelerator two times under different condition.(In fact,I believe if the opponent is only MHS+ or slower,don't keep Touma away as speed stomp and believe him can react fast enough would be alright,at least in To Aru he has proved this a lot of times.As to my knowledge,most of the fans believes Touma would defeat Shirou without much difficult,as it seems that Shirou is even weaker than Mikoto.If only consider speed then Mikoto VS Touma would be stomp)

 

[Gemmysaur]

I don't remember Saber ever having haxx that can go through Accel's vector shield.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Accelerator's vector shield is not perfect against magic attack,so Excalibur may works,although most of the damage would be reflected.

But Accelerator should be able to defeat Berserker without much difficult.

 

[ZERO7772]

Accelerator's vector shield is not perfect against magic attack,so Excalibur may works,although most of the damage would be reflected.
But Accelerator should be able to defeat Berserker without much difficult.

If 1% of excalibur hit Accel then he is dead xD he have have normal human durability

Anyway accel was able to block gabriel attacks "each attack can shatter a mountai "and it's magical that should answer your theard

 

[ZERO7772]

The only character from fate that can beat Accel is Gil "with full power Ea :

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Yeah, Saber really has no way of getting through Accel's shield.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

The only character from fate that can beat Accel is Gil "with full power Ea :

Anyone capable of using Gae Bolg can beat him easily.

 

[ZERO7772]

The only character from fate that can beat Accel is Gil "with full power Ea :

Anyone capable of using Gae Bolg can beat him easily.

How again ?

 

[Reppuzan]

Okay, let's clean this up.

Excalibur possesses photokinetic energy (magnitude) and direction, meaning that it is a vector and thus Accelerator can in fact reflect it.

Gae Boig wielders, Scathach and Cu Chulainn would be able to kill Accelerator since their spears' power allows them to twist causality so that "the heart is pierced" is the cause of "the spear is thrust", thereby making any outcome aside from having the heart pierced impossible unless one possesses ridiculous luck.

 

[ZERO7772]

^ this is off topic but How did archer survived that then ?

 

[NotEvenHuman]

There are two ways of using Gae Bolg. One of them is used as a projectile and makes a huge explosion. That's the one Archer survived. The other way is the one Reppuzan explained, and it was never used against Archer.

 

[Reppuzan]

^This

In addition, the thrown version is guaranteed to hit, but as NEH stated, it can be blocked.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

^ this is off topic but How did archer survived that then ?

Iirc Archer blocked the "flying spear that goes boom" and not the "sure kill stab" part of the spear

Edit : ninja'd

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Gae Bolg has two problems:

It can be blocked with enough defence,and Accelerator's body is completely covered by vector shield at any time,so it can not penetrate at all,that's not evade and can not be canceled easily without IB.

And Accelerator would not die so easily,as he can still manipulate blood even when he was cut in half,only without heart may not enough to kill him.So his durability should be considered higher.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Zhaoshuais

Gae Bolg's throw version can be blocked, but the regular version is an entirely different story. Like I said before, it twists causality to make any outcome outside of Accelerator's heart being pierced an impossibility, meaning that Accel's vector manipulation isn't doing jack to it.

Sure, it might not be an instant kill, but the wounds inflicted by Gae Bolg cannot be healed by normal means, and thus Accelerator will bleed out.

But that's besides the point. This thread needs to be closed since Saber has no way of winning.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

But then the problem appears:It's clear that Accelerator can defeat most of the servent in Fate series,but Accelerator can not defeat Touma,and suffered defeat for two times,then become a big fan of Touma at last.So why someone believes Shirou can beat Touma easily?!

 

[Reppuzan]

@Zhaoshuais

First of all, you're derailing your own thread.

Second, you're showing extreme bias since you've effectively set up this fight to give Accelerator a win.

Third, Imagine Breaker only works via Touma's right arm. Unless Shirou goes out of his way to cut it off, Touma gets skewered from multiple directions and his head lopped off.

 

[ZERO7772]

Don't bring touma vs accel here that was total PIS , Accel through his whole life used to be untouchable and invincible so once Touma break through his barrier with ease that was new on him and catch him off guard so didn't know what to do and touma wouldn't won if it's not for the sisters

^

This is off topic but just wanted to point that out

 

[Reppuzan]

@ZERO

It doesn't help that IB twists fate to ensure its owner's survival (but even this has limits, as seen with Othinus).

 

[ZERO7772]

@Reppuza

Yeah IB give the owner massive plot armor , Well othinus is a god and even she couldn't get rid of IB for good even though she killed Touma countless times

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Gae Bolg can penetrate Accelerator's heart,but Accelerator woun't die so easily,as we know,Accelerator can control blood and replace heart's function for a long time,which is long enough for him to find Touma to remove Gae Bolg's curse,and then an operation could cure him.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

I agree that IB twists fate to ensure its owner's survival ,but I believe that's still above Othinus,as Touma win at last,and all the other magic gods believe Touma would win at last,that may means Touma is unbeatable in practise.

 

[AguilaR101]

Not really, not like you have to go and kill him.

Knocking him out is more than enough for a fighter to be considered victorious and has happened multiple times IB or not.

 

[ToAruFan]

Accelerator wins. Vector manipulation is OCP to Saber.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Don't bring touma vs accel here that was total PIS , Accel through his whole life used to be untouchable and invincible so once Touma break through his barrier with ease that was new on him and catch him off guard so didn't know what to do and touma wouldn't won if it's not for the sisters
^

This is off topic but just wanted to point that out

But later Accelerator challenges Touma again with angel mode open,and still defeated by Touma(what's more,Touma was weakened greatly at that time)

 

[ZERO7772]

Don't bring touma vs accel here that was total PIS , Accel through his whole life used to be untouchable and invincible so once Touma break through his barrier with ease that was new on him and catch him off guard so didn't know what to do and touma wouldn't won if it's not for the sisters
^

This is off topic but just wanted to point that out

But later Accelerator challenges Touma again with angel mode open,and still defeated by Touma(what's more,Touma was weakened greatly at that time)

I don't know what you talk about the only time where Touma wasn't in perfect shape when fighting accel was the first time

second time Accel was mindless monster and didn't wanted to kill touma , third time's accel straight up give the victory too touma because he wanted to lose to him since the beginning and again if you really push touma to the very limit and intend to kill him it's either gonna end up in draw or touma's victory because of IB

 

[Gemmysaur]

Saber doesn't have Imagine Breaker to disable vector shields so bringing up Touma is moot point.

Besides, Touma's precog speed >>>> Saber's precog speed, and Touma's negation powers are Planet level to possibly Universal.

 

[ZERO7772]

precog speed ?

anyway Touma is refelx level is up to MHS+ which is why he can keep even with winged accel while Saber can't

 

[Gemmysaur]

Touma's MHS+ reflexes are due to precog that only work against supernatural beings. He has a higher chance of losing to a fodder with a gun than he would against Misaka Mikoto.

 

[ZERO7772]

Touma's MHS+ reflexes are due to precog that only work against supernatural beings. He has a higher chance of losing to a fodder with a gun than he would against Misaka Mikoto.

Exactly

Touma can take Fimma head on but he would lose badly to a boxing champion "it will take expert considering Touma himself is impressive fighter anyway

That being said he pulled draw with heiwajima shizuo in the crossover story

 

[Gemmysaur]

Regardless, Touma is irrelevant to this thread so guys, stop bringing him up.

 

[ZERO7772]

^tell me how this isn't a stomp thread anyway

 

[Reppuzan]

It ''is'' a stomp thread in every conceivable way.

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Then should I open a new thread and bring in a weaker opponent for Saber,such as Mikoto?

 

[Gemmysaur]

Dunno about Biribiri since her durability is crap, her running speed is pathetic and her Town level lightning gets lowered further by magic resistance (verse equalization).

On another related but not really note, her name is listed as Misaka Mikoto when it should be Mikoto Misaka following the standard given name/family name thing.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Zhaoshuais

If you'd like Misaka to get stomped, then be my guest. But otherwise, no.

 

[ZERO7772]

mikoto is mid-tier level at best she get stomped hard by Saber

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Then someone between Misaka Mikoto and Kakine Teitoku?

For example,Kanzaki Kaori(Seems not enough)?Carissa?(Seems over)

Then, 'William Orwell('Acqua of the Back)?

 

[Zhaoshuais]

Dunno about Biribiri since her durability is crap, her running speed is pathetic and her Town level lightning gets lowered further by magic resistance (verse equalization).
On another related but not really note, her name is listed as Misaka Mikoto when it should be Mikoto Misaka following the standard given name/family name thing.

We call her Mikoto as there are over 20000 her clones called Misaka.

 

[ZERO7772]

Bruh the difference between mikoto and kakine is like sky and earth xD kakine is potentially equal to accel

Kaori should be good match