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At the moment my current prefernece is to give NPI to the characters who have demonstrated it and Possibly NPI to everyone else.
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This is my personal take as wellAt the moment my current prefernece is to give NPI to the characters who have demonstrated it and Possibly NPI to everyone else.
I was the one who suggested this so I definitely agreeAt the moment my current prefernece is to give NPI to the characters who have demonstrated it and Possibly NPI to everyone else.
Bro youre literally on the wrong side of the argument here lmao?Jinx, before arguing about it, understand that Intangibility comes in many different forms
Literally my original post.it will never change the fact that RWBY has shown NPI shit, and if you want to say otherwise, provide scans. I will say "provide scans" to every. Single. One. Of. Your. Arguments. Until you show actual scans.
So from what I'm seeing here one of your arguments is that NPI doesn't exist because someone hit a geist? sigh and you say I'm on the wrong side of the argument.Bro youre literally on the wrong side of the argument here lmao?
Im literally the only one here (speaking at least) considering the Geists intangibility isnt just passive?
Literally my original post.
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Like genuinely bro how can you be sitting here telling me the Exact opposite of my argument?
Whats separating the Geist's intangibility and the Intangibility semblance when theyre both just described as 'Intangible'?
Whats happening is you would like to assume how the intangibility works for your own favour, but quite frankly NPI is nowhere near concrete
Yes, exactly.So from what I'm seeing here one of your arguments is that NPI doesn't exist because someone hit a geist? sigh and you say I'm on the wrong side of the argument.
So RWBY has NPI...except when it doesnt?And what's seperating them is one has been hit and the other hasn't, either they're different kinds or its layered Intangibility. Yes, that exists.
I wonder why you're making more assumptions to assume it can go tangible.Yes, exactly.
How do you hit something that goes against it being 100% intangible, and instead assume that it WAS intangible and they could hit it, making up its cause of Aura. Unless you were trying to overplay RWBY here.
What other proof is there besides 1 adjective shows the Geist is intangible beyond that?
I sure wonder why you're all wanting to assume RWBY characters have NPI instead of assuming that maybe the Geist isnt completely always intangible. If the geist not being able to be hit in base form was a roadblock, then it would have been stated in the show on how to actually get rid of it. The Geist hides in rock and stuff because its body is vulnerable and weak. What is the point of an 'Intangible Grimm' for the story if everyone can hit it anyway?
So RWBY has NPI...except when it doesnt?
If theres a layer of intangibility (a.k.a an exception) it would be surely noted on. Its not though, so you're assuming the one thats gives you the better chance at arguing. Even though theres no greater showings either of this Intangibility semblance going through anything beyond physical matter either?
The guidebook probably wasnt written with this rando intangibility semblance in mind lol. Theres no reason to connect them as if theres 'layers'. Please just admit you want the better option for RWBY as a verse
Baseline assumption that literally every verse ever takes is that if something is stated to be intangible it is intangible until proven otherwise, interacting with it=NPI, that's why its called Non-Physical Interaction.Like genuinely this is just what its come down to.
You all think the guidebook saying Geists are 'intangible' means theyre completely always intangible, so when a character physically hits them, that means they have NPI.
However it can just as validly be taken as the Geists GOT hit, and therefore their intangibility is not always active.
We cant prove properly which way is correct. (However if we do look at the Geists actual sources, we would see it hasnt ever went through something it didnt want to possess, showing it could be exclusively linked to that and ergo not making it physical at all.)
So instead of logically not including it since we don't know, and waiting for RWBY to maybe give more evidence, it just seems like people are wanting to give RWBY the best it can get. But its not a concrete argument. All you've got is one adjective (And no, the Chill, The Nightmare, and Ruby's semblance dont apply here either. Idk how many times i gotta explain this)
If you're able to read the bold, or stop trying to imitate Weekly, you would know that i'm making no push on thats the exact way its intangibility work. I dont care too much how it works, but its not an excuse to give your fave verse nonsensical buffs across the board.I wonder why you're making more assumptions to assume it can go tangible.
This is not a valid warrant at all for giving RWBY this power. 'B-But Warcraft has it!!!!!!', thats a completely separate Verse.Because some verses, like Warcraft off the top or my head, just has practically everyone have NPI.
bro actually admitting they're tryna buff RWBY as much as they canIn case you've forgotten RWBY pages are not the best. Yes, it should be noted that the intangibility of the semblance is layered.
Im sure it is bro. Thats why you're here advocating for it to get a power that just genuinely is not a concrete example of NPI. You all had to find another argument after you were all satisifed with the Chill, its just blatantly obvious here people wanna overbloat Aura's general powers. Like it being immune to Matter manipulation coming to mind.Bro RWBY is among the like, 4 verses I genuinely dislike, the others being Naruto, Dragon Ball, and Bleach, anything else I shit on is for memes or I just don't like the fanbase(Maou Gakuin, anyone?)
Exact opposite.This is lowkey like having a person dodge natural lightning and instead of just saying they're fast enough to do so, you assume that the lightning must be slow somehow
No, because theres multiple examples of intangible in fiction that doesnt apply to a being just being 100% intangible. Usually if someone was going to be intangible in a verse, it'd actually be Shown how the intangibility works. The Geist has not went through anything it didnt also possess.Baseline assumption that literally every verse ever takes is that if something is stated to be intangible it is intangible until proven otherwise, interacting with it=NPI, that's why its called Non-Physical Interaction.
Then what is a solid case for NPI? Cause from what you're saying Non-Physical Interaction just doesn't exist lmfaoIf you're able to read the bold, or stop trying to imitate Weekly, you would know that i'm making no push on thats the exact way its intangibility work. I dont care too much how it works, but its not an excuse to give your fave verse nonsensical buffs across the board.
I 'assume' it can go tangible because IT GETS HIT, PHYSICALLY. Multiple times.
If you're begging for scans, then look at the ones i actually provice.
This is not a valid warrant at all for giving RWBY this power. 'B-But Warcraft has it!!!!!!', thats a completely separate Verse.
bro actually admitting they're tryna buff RWBY as much as they can
Proof its layered? Cause it sounds like you just want it to be layered so your argument doesnt fall flat. Botht he geist and this semblance are described as 'Intangible', so why are they different types of Intangibility
Im sure it is bro. Thats why you're here advocating for it to get a power that just genuinely is not a concrete example of NPI. You all had to find another argument after you were all satisifed with the Chill, its just blatantly obvious here people wanna overbloat its general powers.
I mean yeah guidebook statements are funny like that and provide good opportunities for reasonable high-ends. Your issue seems to be RWBY has shit you don't like, and that's fine, I'll stay here and argue about it.No, because theres multiple examples of intangible in fiction that doesnt apply to a being just being 100% intangible. Usually if someone was going to be intangible in a verse, it'd actually be Shown how the intangibility works. The Geist has not went through anything it didnt also possess.
And it has been proven otherwise. The geist got punched. shot. fished out of its possessed object.
Theres a semblance that literally makes you intangible, described the exact way the Geist is (saying its intangible), that RWBY characters cant hit.
But as expected, you're just making more unsupported assumptions to try and keep this thing alive. 'Layered Intangibility', like thats something that we can make up about a verse that isnt at all acknowledged in the main series, but instead put together by two secondary-canon-like sources that probably didnt think about one another when both were written. Its reaching.
A RWBY character actually interacting with something incorporeal, or an actual ghost. And then Aura actually being the stated reason for this interaction if you wantt o scale it to EVERYONE in the verse. Its not a big ask.Then what is a solid case for NPI? Cause from what you're saying Non-Physical Interaction just doesn't exist lmfao
Idc about Warcraft stop bringing it up. Im sure it has real ghosts and stuff people can actually hit unlike RWBYIt's pretty much the exact case. Shit that should be intangible can get punched out, and you don't want to try and tango with that verse,
Its wank, you're literally admitting it yourself lol.As a wise man once Said: "Wank, but make it believable wank" aka high-ends within reason are fine.
Okay now prove how the Geists being hit, despite being 'intangible' doesnt contradict the fact its possible for a Geist to get hit.Here's proof: Geists can be hit, the individual with that semblance can't. One layer right there.
Uh huh sure.Bro I'm actually here cause I'm bored and want to just argue something I see is true to someone who doesn't. Just cause I don't like RWBY don't mean I'm magically physically unable to click on a thread, read through it, go "Oh this sounds wrong" and debate it. I'm actually more repelled by supporters I don't like then a verse I don't like.
Its not reasonable though, as it can be debated against and isn't concrete when the show goes against whats shown.I mean yeah guidebook statements are funny like that and provide good opportunities for reasonable high-ends. Your issue seems to be RWBY has shit you don't like, and that's fine, I'll stay here and argue about it.
Alternatively we can just end this charade that we both call a debate and just call for a vote count
Imagine being so fixated on low-ends that a high-end is just a reach to you lmfao, honestly if you need proof I don't like rwby I don't even know who the **** has the Intangibility semblance, or who 2/4 Maidens are, hell, I don't even remember the name of the neko member of team RWBY off the top of my head lmfaoA RWBY character actually interacting with something incorporeal, or an actual ghost. And then Aura actually being the stated reason for this interaction if you wantt o scale it to EVERYONE in the verse. Its not a big ask.
Idc about Warcraft stop bringing it up. Im sure it has real ghosts and stuff people can actually hit unlike RWBY
Its wank, you're literally admitting it yourself lol.
Id rather like to believe the wiki wants accurate, and concretely shown abilities. But nah, just whatever you like.
Okay now prove how the Geists being hit, despite being 'intangible' doesnt contradict the fact its possible for a Geist to get hit.
Uh huh sure.
You've literally just admitted you're wanking it bro and using it cause its a high-end (a.k.a a reach).
I dont ever expect people who wank a verse to come out with it, but you've literally done so
Its not reasonable though, as it can be debated against and isn't concrete when the show goes against whats shown.
I'm experienced enough in these type of things to know what that means lol.
You all want to vote on the RWBY profiles having Possible NPI? Do it.
theres no reason Harriet, Ruby or Clover would be the only 3 people in the verse to have this ability, but at the same time you cant ever say how the Geists' intangibility properly works.
Somehow you can derive the difference from a semblance that also makes you intangible (And argue the biggest reaches ever) when they've both been described exactly the same, yet theyre different?
I know Jojo thanks. That series actually establishes Stands and how their intangibility works, with actual Ghosts in the series.Jinx if you have an issue with the concept of 'layered intangibility' please go look at JJBA, literally every character has it.
Bro never have i actually clinged onto RWBY Chibi as my main point.As for the rest, the only reacing being done is by you trying to desperately think of what if scenarios that could prove you right when those scenarios are contradicted by the show and guidebook. You claim that the proof for them having NPI comes from secondary sources, yet you're trying to use a non-canon parody show to prove your point. You're arguing against layered intangibility as though that is what is being argued, when Rosa just has a different kind of intangibility from what the cast has shown to interact with. Your entire argument is nothing but disbelief that RWBY could have NPI.
Except the Geist being 'intangible' is not clear.You dont want the argument that aura grants NPI? Fine, let's run with that. Without taking aura into account, the cast has STILL INTERAC5ED WITH INTANGIBLE OPPONENTS and would thus have NPI without the use of Aura.
I dont go for low-ends. I go for actual, accurate info. As this wiki should, despite its reputation among the debating community as a whole.Imagine being so fixated on low-ends that a high-end is just a reach to you lmfao, honestly if you need proof I don't like rwby I don't even know who the **** has the Intangibility semblance, or who 2/4 Maidens are, hell, I don't even remember the name of the neko member of team RWBY off the top of my head lmfao
Grow up. You were literally dumb enough to admit you're wanking on purpose.Either way, I can tell you're getting just a little(a lot) sodium-infused, so I'm gonna let you calm down before I go into full salf-farming mode
You say this as you argue factually incorrect things and try to say that layered Intangibility can't be accurateI dont go for low-ends. I go for actual, accurate info. As this wiki should, despite its reputation among the debating community as a whole.
If there havent been enough showings for a power, and it has points against it, then its skeptical/wrong. And thus isnt treated as fact
Grow up. You were literally dumb enough to admit you're wanking on purpose.
Nah, the only compromise is that those who have hit geists have NPI and those that haven't have possibly NPIEither way im going to bed now lol.
If we're making any compromise here, then its to add 'Possible NPI' to all the profiles.
This sounds reasonable to me.At the moment my current prefernece is to give NPI to the characters who have demonstrated it and Possibly NPI to everyone else.
And the geist isnt also that intangibility?Just confirming this as it was brought up as an attempted counterpoint, Rosa's Intangibility semblance is phasing-based intangibility, not the non-physical intangibility of Geists or the elemental intangibility of Ruby's semblance.
Except theres literally nothing notable in the background that gives them the power specifically. Why would everyone else not have it completely affirmed, but only these 3 do when the problem is we dont clearly know how the Geist's intangibility works (Since apparently now it cant 'phase through objects'? I dont know of any sort of actual intangiblility that doesnt let you pass through solid matter to some extent so? RWBY hasn't got anything what Stands have)Nah, the only compromise is that those who have hit geists have NPI and those that haven't have possibly NPI
"B-but it doesn't fit with my low-ends!"Except theres literally nothing notable in the background that gives them the power specifically. Why would everyone else not have it completely affirmed, but only these 3 do when the problem is we dont clearly know how the Geist's intangibility works (Since apparently now it cant 'phase through objects'? I dont know of any sort of actual intangiblility that doesnt let you pass through solid matter to some extent so? RWBY hasn't got anything what Stands have)
Either way somethings crept up irl so i dont need to waste time with this if its just gonna be a possibility, im fine with whatever doesnt make it so certain, since it is so uncertain (and not true but w/e). Would much prefer its a possibility for Ruby, Harriet and Clover since there should literally be no reason they'd have this specific power if they did, but no one else when it doesnt relate to their actual unique abilities.
But please for the love of God, examples like people hitting Ruby's semblance genuinely isnt an example here when we know Ruby has to split her petal form to get past a solid object (And shes been hit in petal form once again in the ongoing season), shes produced an actual force with it when she smashed through the Atlas security door in the Aceops fight, and breaking herself down to molecular components doesn't make her specifically non-physical (You cant 'negate mass' completely while also having the semblance be able to provide a force, or be hit by someone. Blame RWBY writing. The molecules are clearly just less localised in this form and can move more individually). For anyone still thinking this is a valid reason
And the geist isnt also that intangibility?
Why would the Geist be intangible but couldnt phase through stuff by your definition? Its just 'intangible' as described. I dont know why the Geist would be a specific 'non-physical' intangible just from the one word, and the fact its been hit before completely denying that notion regardless. Seems more like the show contradicting itself like it usually does lol
Elemental intangibility. Elemental doesnt let you pass through stuff, all it does is turn you into elements that disperse around attacks, like Logia intangibility from One Piece. Thats what Ruby has when she is in her semblance state as she turns into a cloud of scattered molecules and rose petals, and is also why she is able to generate force in her semblance state, because she is still a physical material, her intangibility just disperses her around attacks rather than going through solid objects.Except theres literally nothing notable in the background that gives them the power specifically. Why would everyone else not have it completely affirmed, but only these 3 do when the problem is we dont clearly know how the Geist's intangibility works (Since apparently now it cant 'phase through objects'? I dont know of any sort of actual intangiblility that doesnt let you pass through solid matter to some extent so? RWBY hasn't got anything what Stands have)
Either way somethings crept up irl so i dont need to waste time with this if its just gonna be a possibility, im fine with whatever doesnt make it so certain, since it is so uncertain (and not true but w/e). Would much prefer its a possibility for Ruby, Harriet and Clover since there should literally be no reason they'd have this specific power if they did, but no one else when it doesnt relate to their actual unique abilities.
But please for the love of God, examples like people hitting Ruby's semblance genuinely isnt an example here when we know Ruby has to split her petal form to get past a solid object (And shes been hit in petal form once again in the ongoing season), shes produced an actual force with it when she smashed through the Atlas security door in the Aceops fight, and breaking herself down to molecular components doesn't make her specifically non-physical (You cant 'negate mass' completely while also having the semblance be able to provide a force, or be hit by someone. Blame RWBY writing. The molecules are clearly just less localised in this form and can move more individually). For anyone still thinking this is a valid reason
No wonder you dont know what accurate stats are."B-but it doesn't fit with my low-ends!"
Ight where tf you getting 'Immaterial' from just from being called 'Intangible'. Where has the Geist ever shown to phase through attacks?Immaterial: This type of intangibility allows the user to phase through most attacks due to not being made up of a physical substance, such as ghosts or characters who merely exist as a disembodied soul. It also includes characters that are made up of things like energy. Of course, this intangibility type still has its own weaknesses - a soul is vulnerable to soul manipulation, for example.
This is the kind of intangibility the Geist and Chill have
Yes weekly. I call it elemental intangibility too if you hadn't read. But it is not passive, and nowhere near as good as Logia.Elemental intangibility. Elemental doesnt let you pass through stuff, all it does is turn you into elements that disperse around attacks, like Logia intangibility from One Piece. Thats what Ruby has when she is in her semblance state as she turns into a cloud of scattered molecules and rose petals, and is also why she is able to generate force in her semblance state, because she is still a physical material, her intangibility just disperses her around attacks rather than going through solid objects.
Low-ends are often half-true, if all feats are accounted for a low-end isn't accurate, in this case, NPI is accounted for in three aspects.No wonder you dont know what accurate stats are.
Genuinely admitting you wanking RWBY bro
Trust me. Ive been here long enough to know multiple Staff members doesnt make it gospel truth. Staff dont hold stronger power over opinions, other than the people that want to follow them for being admins among other things, but that doesn't deter me when this is so blatantly...too unclear a basis to give every character in the verse NPI? All they do power-wise is mediate a debate, but it cant be said their opinion is 'better' lol. That goes against equal debate.Low-ends are often half-true, if all feats are accounted for a low-end isn't accurate, in this case, NPI is accounted for in three aspects.
If you don't like that then you're welcome to argue against the like 3 or 4 staff that agree NPI for those who have interacted with geists and possibly NPI for those who haven't is the best way to go.
Not every verse needs a universal energy system or something like that for NPI dude, just punching out something you shouldn't be able to is very much good enough
It hasnt, because the cast can hit it despite its intangibility.Ight where tf you getting 'Immaterial' from just from being called 'Intangible'. Where has the Geist ever shown to phase through attacks?
Geists arent made of energy, they're made of the same shit as Grimm.
And Chills are actually incorporeal (dont have a physical form unlike the Geists )
Like genuinely, when has the Geist 'phased through attacks'?
How are you so certain this is the Geists type of intangibility from this when it literally has never shown to phase through a hit before? If anything, its the complete opposite and it has been hit. All from the word 'intangible' when you're clearly saying theres different types now. The Geist itself has shown the ability to phase through and into things its possessing if anything
It doesnt need to be passive to be elemental intangibility.Yes weekly. I call it elemental intangibility too if you hadn't read. But it is not passive, and nowhere near as good as Logia.
"Ruby can turn intangible and has been hit multiple times while intangible, so dont use those examples as proof of NPI!"Shes got the diet version. She still gets hit in this form multiple times and has to actively split her body (tbf on a seemingly instinctive reaction, but that clearly doesnt work all the time since she gets pounded constantly)
Yes, and ergo its not an example of NPI. Dont use it for such.
Coming from the person who has been ignoring the point for two threads now. Its obvious you wont listen and are just being willfully ignorant because you dont want to admit youre wrong. You are the one who does not understand, because you do not WANT to understand. You just want to be right. But you are not.Lowkey hoping for the miracle and you actually understand the point this time.