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The_Wright_Way

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@Agnaa

In that case, I'm fine being lenient. I'm still not comfortable with them just sharing accounts like that given the sock potential there, but if they've done no harm thus far, than no harm no foul.
 
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You can change your password. See your profile picture in the top right? From that dropdown go to My Preferences, right up the top there is an option to change your password.
 

Antvasima

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Since he is new and seems harmless, I don't think that any bans are necessary. We cannot be too draconian.

If he is using two accounts, he should only use one in the future and deactivate the other though.
 
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Ok I was just scrolling on by to see a possible question I might have on the admin questions, then stumbled accross this most recent discussion but I just realized Kensaka is actually lying or he could possibly be lying Here is my simple reasons

1. He never stated on his page nor Arsene page that he has a brother - If anything Arsene or Kensaka would have added it on the page they are brothers are they at least have a sibling in which case they never mentioned any of it.

2. How dang fast was that response to him mentioning a brother - I mean we never know the ages of these people, we do not know if they just some kids or some grown old men but for a person to respond seconds after that is kinda obviously an sock account - Think about this. Why would my brother know my account password , or why would I let him know my account password - Unless his password is that dang easy for his brother (which seems to be the excuse if anything, But if it were me, I know for a fact I would change my password or not even use the account at all- then I guess he reslly is not very smart with that decision). Then if they were far away, than how would he contact his brother like that in seconds and get a response that early - Unless Arsene was originally in his account and noticed that but also consider the time the message was sent.

3. We know that Arsene has access to Kensaka account but, Kensaka had Kensaka likes on his answers (not that there is any harm within it just that he lied to point it out that Arsene did it even though it was his account not arsene) So assuming these scenarios only one has an excuse to them being brothers - which is they live together, if not then highly unlikely them being siblings, more like an alt account - (Like Arsene was truly behind it all, making kensaka and since arsene has done anything recent, then kensaka will most likely be "new him" and not being related to anything arsene made or associated with as arsene can be on with the kensaka account for the time - would then probably sock with it)

Okay so Idk the penalty if someone lies to a staff member, but I am just tryna help out with the staff if possible (and do as much as can before this move and hopefully get an invite to this new forum) but I see no harm in giving oneself likes. - You may have to potentially have like a small ban from kensaka or arsene well both if anything if it is an offense, I am still learrning this but just wanted to let yall know.
 
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RicardoSama said:
Why would you give unnecessary information about your personal life on your public profile?

Some siblings share passwords with each other, it happens. It could also be a really easy to guess password, neither of these are unlikely. Their ages are irrelevant, brothers are brothers, their ages don't change that. If someone is worried about their own or their brother's account getting banned or removed, they are likely to inform each other of the situation; having good communication with your sibling is a possibility, you can't assume they're just a sock based on that. Kensaka already said they would change their password, they likely didn't do it once their brother had the password because they likely didn't see it as a big deal at the time.

I don't see how siblings living with each other is a big deal. You're jumping to conclusions with unfounded theories without any actual evidence other than speculation based on subjective observations.
 
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That's why I mentioned possibly and some users do post such and I have no problem with siblings living with each other, never mentioned such
 
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RicardoSama said:
That's why I mentioned possibly and some users do post such and I have no problem with siblings living with each other, never mentioned such
Oh sorry, I read it as "which is they live together, highly unlikely"
 
RicardoSama said:
Ok I was just scrolling on by to see a possible question I might have on the admin questions, then stumbled accross this most recent discussion but I just realized Kensaka is actually lying or he could possibly be lying Here is my simple reasons

1. He never stated on his page nor Arsene page that he has a brother - If anything Arsene or Kensaka would have added it on the page they are brothers are they at least have a sibling in which case they never mentioned any of it.

2. How dang fast was that response to him mentioning a brother - I mean we never know the ages of these people, we do not know if they just some kids or some grown old men but for a person to respond seconds after that is kinda obviously an sock account - Think about this. Why would my brother know my account password , or why would I let him know my account password - Unless his password is that dang easy for his brother (which seems to be the excuse if anything, But if it were me, I know for a fact I would change my password or not even use the account at all- then I guess he reslly is not very smart with that decision). Then if they were far away, than how would he contact his brother like that in seconds and get a response that early - Unless Arsene was originally in his account and noticed that but also consider the time the message was sent.

3. We know that Arsene has access to Kensaka account but, Kensaka had Kensaka likes on his answers (not that there is any harm within it just that he lied to point it out that Arsene did it even though it was his account not arsene) So assuming these scenarios only one has an excuse to them being brothers - which is they live together, if not then highly unlikely them being siblings, more like an alt account - (Like Arsene was truly behind it all, making kensaka and since arsene has done anything recent, then kensaka will most likely be "new him" and not being related to anything arsene made or associated with as arsene can be on with the kensaka account for the time - would then probably sock with it)

Okay so Idk the penalty if someone lies to a staff member, but I am just tryna help out with the staff if possible (and do as much as can before this move and hopefully get an invite to this new forum) but I see no harm in giving oneself likes. - You may have to potentially have like a small ban from kensaka or arsene well both if anything if it is an offense, I am still learrning this but just wanted to let yall know.
Naw he is right

I feel guilty about this so I am confessing, I did lie like I had a brother, but this is my older account, and Kensaka was my new one and I might as well be honest, do not worry, Ricardo is not making me do this, I am myself for lying to the staff and I am sorry for the trouble I have caused but do not worry, I do not sock (I made kensaka because I couldnt remember this account password but I do remember now so here it is.
 
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Oh okay neat.

So which account of the two do you wanna be using going into the future? Mr Arsene or Kensaka?
 
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I do not use the other acc in any bad way and not in the way a sock puppet will be used but I will just stick with this from now on.
 
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Also no longer lie, it is pretty stupid and when someone goes down the throat it will sting. I lied because I thought it will be weird to kudos myself because I like my self, not for self promo just simply because I like myself (not in a weird way but you know)
 

Antvasima

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I will check and unblock his IP address if necessary, given that it would affect the other account as well.
 

Sera_EX

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Really quick:

Lord Gin Sama has asked me if he could be unbanned considering how long it's been since his ban, and considering that the whole "he doxxed Kukui" thing being cleared up a long time ago

He said he's shappened up and would liked to be unbanned and be part of the new forum.

Personally I don't mind if he (and he alone) was unbanned.
 

Super_Saiyan_God_Julian

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If whatever happened with him has been cleared up, and a long time has passed since he was banned, I guess unbanning him wouldn't hurt.

I just hope he doesn't do anything destabilizing at this moment in time.
 

AKM sama

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I'm not aware of the whole deal with the person so I'll leave the judgment to the people directly concerned and associated with said rule-breaking.
 

The_Wright_Way

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Also, I'm not familiar with the case at hand, but I am against reversing permabans on principle, as I feel like it sets a dangerous precident.

Also, if the sole reason he was banned was cleared up, he would've been unbanned a long time ago. There's more context here that I feel is missing.
 
It seems like a one time thing, he is a large contributer on Jokebattles and Comicplant with 1588 and 2330 edits respectively. I think we should keep an eye on him for now, but he is diffintely not a full-on troll.
 

Super_Saiyan_God_Julian

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I agree with Zouken. He is a generally friendly user on Joke Battles Wiki and has contributed for a while. He is probabably just misinformed.
 

Antvasima

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I blocked Super Sonic style.

If Julian says that Omniface is harmless, he probably is.

If Sera EX and Kepekley23 both think that LordGinSama can be unbanned, I personally do not mind.
 

Super_Saiyan_God_Julian

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To make myself more clear, I think that Omniface is just not used to the way things are done here, and more accustomed to Joke Battle Wiki's style.
 
It seems so, as he hasn't done many edits on this more serious wiki, and is most familiar with Joke Battle's very non-serious, laxs on justificatons style. We should have somebody explain to him the rules and just keep an eye on him. Though he seems quite harmless.
 
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The Wright Way said:
Also, I'm not familiar with the case at hand, but I am against reversing permabans on principle, as I feel like it sets a dangerous precident.

Also, if the sole reason he was banned was cleared up, he would've been unbanned a long time ago. There's more context here that I feel is missing.
As far as I can tell, the context is "HR group is lazy". I told them about this two months ago, the people I asked were either fine with an unban or wanted to ask the others, and I never got a response further than that.

Also, as far as I can tell, they never heard this stuff that Sera mentioned until I brought it up to them 2 months ago, many of them mentioned that they hadn't heard about what I brought forward.
 

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

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Sera EX said:
Really quick:

Lord Gin Sama has asked me if he could be unbanned considering how long it's been since his ban, and considering that the whole "he doxxed Kukui" thing being cleared up a long time ago

He said he's shappened up and would liked to be unbanned and be part of the new forum.

Personally I don't mind if he (and he alone) was unbanned.
Is there more context on what he did to be banned and how has it been cleared up?
 

Wokistan

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HR was pretty fine with an unban. Guess someone forgot to message you back.
 

DarkDragonMedeus

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Fandom's TOS does say you need to be at least 13. Exception is if you're using a parent or guardian's Email address and they actively supervise what you do, say, or engage online. If we can have clarifications that those are check, perhaps. But if not, a 2 year block so, "He'll be old enough now" might be reasonable. Prefer to here from other staff before taking action however.
 

Wokistan

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I know of other users below 13 on the site. Honestly, its not a big deal and it's not our problem. Those types of rules really just exist to mitigate liability issues for fandom. A ban seems unnecessary.
 

Antvasima

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Yes, I think that it is too draconian to ban him for his age, but maybe somebody should warn him that some of the material here might be unsuitable for young visitors?
 
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Yeah, another reason you are supposed to create accounts at a later age is so you know what you're talking about. He seems to not understand multiple rules and norms, so it is possible he simply shouldn't be using the wiki yet.
 

Antvasima

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Yes, but it seems harsh to just shut off this kid without an explanation.

Perhaps somebody/somebodies could talk with him?
 
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mulgara

Goes on to multiple Dragon Ball threads, verbally attacking anyone who disagrees with his ideas that Canon Beerus is 2-B, that Broly (Dragon Ball Super) is stronger than Gogeta (Dragon Ball Super) (which is explicity shown as otherwise and pointed out on their pages), that GT is 1-A via feats alone; no matter how many times on how many threads every point he raises is debunked, he continues pestering other users non-stop and insisting that anyone who doesn't believe what he says is either trolling, commiting fallcies and more.
 
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^ I agree

He constantly brings and goes on a rant how DBS GoD tiers are at least 2-B and Xeno characters are at a 1-C, and anyone who disagrees, he calls them out and demands proof and sources, however when they do, he denies with no evidence himself. Also in a debate on his wall, whenever he claims somthing, he doesn't cite it to back things up. Saying this wiki is "wrong" and how he is trying to "prevent misinformation". When someone suggests that he should make a CRT about it to upgrade said certain characters, he doesn't even bother. Him trying to upgrade characters, I can understand, but for the fact that he is CONSTANTLY doing it with no sources to back it up, calling people who disagrees with him "in denial", he even brings this up in some versus threads saying Beerus is 2-B even tho he isn't here, and even called someone ignorant before editing his comment. I think someone should just message on his wall, give him a warning, and tell him to stop trying to upgrade characters unless he's gonna make a CRT and also stop bringing up that said character is this tier (EX: 2-B Canon Beerus) in versus threads since he's consistently doing it.
 

The_Wright_Way

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Same, but, for the sake of fairness, I have given him a warning and a link to this thread. We'll see how he respinds, if at all.
 

DarkDragonMedeus

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He does sound quite obnoxious, and I agree he should be given a warning. We have had people who were more expressive in the exaggerations and more condescending. If he ignores the warning or refuses to shape up, a short ban could be in order, but a warning is better for now.
 

DarkDragonMedeus

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Oh yeah, his individual posts seemed like light trolling, but I guess I could block him since he isn't productive at all given the spam derail posts.
 
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I've seen this kind of behavior before, I think they're memeing based on this
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Gotta say, that gave me a very good laugh.

But is a joke, if the guy will contribute with nothing more but the same joke, then I don't see reason for him staying here.

As Blue said, Joke Battle would be better for this lad.
 
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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Maybe give him a warning first?
I agree with this. Giving an infinite ban over something that's just a really light jab isn't much of a good reason. A warning seems more appropriate because it's relatively inoffensive.
 

DarkDragonMedeus

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I'm pretty sure that simply warning him is just going to be an "Okay Boomer" response. Anyway, if all they do is spam a bunch of memes that have nothing to do with the threads he's posting on and coming to the RVR thread to do the same, that's a typical troll that's not needed and it's not like we need to wait for them to do something seriously damaging.

But anyway, there's no need to clutter up the thread.

Edit: Didn't see Agnaa's comment, but I don't might shortening his block to a few weeks to a month?
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
I'm pretty sure that simply warning him is just going to be an "Okay Boomer" response.
This isn't a realistic assumption we can make unless he did something similar already when he was asked to stop. It's not really harming anyone and is just an annoyance, I don't see why that warrants an infinite ban when those are usually reserved for more serious cases. Not saying that he isn't doing typical troll things either, just that it's inoffensive and isn't necessarily on the same level of harming the wiki as saying posting porn or imitating other users is.

Short ban seems good here, yeah.
 

Antvasima

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I would also appreciate if somebody has a polite explanation talk with the 11-years old kid.
 

The_Wright_Way

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Honestly, it actually raises a fairly solid point about the 11 year old user. We do have to consider the reality that trolls like that do come around fairly often. Quiet a few of them would be willing to target him specifically just to get a reaction.
 

Antvasima

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Also, tell him about that he has to read and follow our rules, that some of our pages may be inappropriate for young children, and that he should try to avoid spamming, derailing, and being a nuisance.
 

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

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Antvasima said:
Also, tell him about that he has to read and follow our rules, that some of our pages may be inappropriate for young children, and that he should try to avoid spamming and being a nuisance.
Would it be better to talk to him off-site since he might be noticed and banned by Fandom?
 
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Even if we block the kid, he would still have the capability to lurk through the wiki, and that means catching one of those troll images.

We can't absolute do nothing more than tell him to stay out the here a all costs.
 

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

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Well, my suggestion for avoiding those images would be to turn on email notifications. If you do so you can have a quick preview of what a message is about from there. If it's all blank sent by a user with a troll name it likely is a series of images sent by trolls.
 

Antvasima

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Yes. The trolls don't seem to care that many of the people who will see the filth that they post are underage. The kid (123d5678) should be warned about that as well.
 

Antvasima

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E-mail notifications will absolutely spam your inbox if you are an active members though, but they cannot be completely disabled, or Fandom might not be able to send you an invitation to the new forum.

See here for proper settings in that regard: [1]
 
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