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Rule Violations Reports - 63

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Antvasima

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Please report any rule violations in this thread. Notifying us of such incidents is highly appreciated.

Additionally, kindly report any sockpuppets that you come across.

Only report violations regarding the wiki rules. False reports due to personal vendettas are unacceptable.

Also, this thread should be for reporting actual rule-breaking, not every single little disagreement.

In cases of extreme vandalism or trolling, you can report the accounts at the VSTF wiki.

If blocked members create sockpuppet accounts to circumvent their block repetitively, or several are created at almost the same time, you may contact the Fandom Staff, to politely request permanent range IP blocks.

You can also find specific users with the Search Function by typing with the format: "User:Username"

Here is a useful page for discovering sockpuppet accounts: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Log/newusers

Notes:

All staff members, kindly follow and bookmark this thread.

Remember to inform members via their message walls if that you have reported them here, in case they have performed severe enough rule-violations to risk being blocked. However, this should only be used in uncertain cases, not if they have done something instantly ban worthy, or if their offenses are minor.

It is against the Fandom rules to upload any offensive images to the wiki, so in order to show screencapture evidence of extremely bad behaviour, you must use external sites, such as Gyazo or Imgur, in order to not get globally banned yourself by the higher-ups:

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https://pasteboard.co

Do not derail the Rule Violation Threads with irrelevant nonsense or internal disputes. It is solely for making serious, warranted reports of violations of the Site, Discussio, and Editing Rules, and not for discussion or side comments. Such posts should preferably be removed by the staff, and if a member continues to derail after being repeatedly told to stop, this will result in a temporary ban.

Given the extreme levels of systematic harrassment towards this community, kindly remember to not share/post any evidence of malware or child abuse publicly in order to prevent unwillful distribution. Submit any evidence of child abuse and severe systematic threats to the police.

If something goes outside the jurisdiction of the VS Battles wiki bureaucrats, or even the global Fandom staff, you need to report it personally to the authorities.

Also, absolutely do not click on any random links from suspicious users. You could potentially access content that contains dangerous malware or illegal types of pornography, alternately tracks your IP address and location. If you are uncertain, please use this page to verify that the links are not dangerous.

However, do not feed the trolls by discussing their behaviour here, as they get excited and motivated by any form of attention. Strictly report them to the staff, who then block them and mass-delete their contributions.

If there are genuine serious problems with the behaviour of certain staff members, do not cause drama by extensively arguing about it here, but rather contact the Human Resources Group.
 

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Continued from here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3882692
 

Mr._Bambu

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OP here just seems combative, I don't know if his points are valid but this is the third time I've seen this thread specifically for mocking behavior and general assholery. Doesn't help that a few other users are giving in to his attempts to rile them up, but he definitely seems to have ill intentions, whether the CRT is legitimate or not.

Thoughts?
 
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You know, I'm getting serious sock vibes. The first thing he did on the wiki was immediately try to get Plagueis upgraded. The only pages he's following are Plagueis related.

Did we have any users with a fixation on Plagueis that previously got banned, and if so, do they have similar mannerisms?
 

ByAsura

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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3957845

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3925379#109

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3957531

He's admitted to being a troll three times. Though I suspect it's at least partially damage control, considering he made a blog and has posted these same arguments in other threads.

I agree with a block, though I definitely say it's somewhat about personal bias. Maybe not infinite, unless he's actually a sockpuppet. I also did do some insulting of my own in that thread, to be fair.

@Bambu Plagueis feats were debunked so his CRTs are sort of irrelevant at this point.

Edit: Now he apparently thinks I was trolling and is calling me an idiot.
 
I dont understand what you mean by grow some skin, what other choice do I have other than reporting him when he constantly makes adhominem arguments + poisoning the well fallacies, and I'm obviously not allowed to insult him back???

This all started literally because I dont have a profile pic, not even making this up, he made the same odd poisoning the well fallacy towards Darius2036.
 

Antvasima

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AKM is correct. If both of you back off and try to be polite, you should hopefully be able to reach a conclusion in your argument.
 

Mr._Bambu

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I probably shouldn't weigh in on whether or not the chick needs to be banned, since I'm not exactly a neutral party in this, but despite this, I'm gonna weigh in and say it's really easy to not see the other point of view and get pissed because of it. My take is to encourage them to chill out and go back to normal activities.
 

Mr._Bambu

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Aye, that she did. She called me mentally deranged. It's a new one to be sure, but I stand by my thing. She seems to just need to chill out and understand that staff (and all users) are just generally trying to help out, even if they disagree. If a warning must be given, so be it.
 

Wokistan

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I feel like a 1 day long ban for the user to cool down could be in consideration, if they keep sending messages. It's been done before.
 
I agree with Mr Bambu, it's very easy to get frustrated (especially when you are generally convinced you're in the right and it feels like everyone else is against you) that said I won't condone rude comments that don't contribute to the discussion (ofc banter, sarcasm, casual swearing etc is perfectly harmless).
 

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Madotsuki24 said:
Also, I wouldn't say what I did was that severe, I doubt that I caused actual harm to people.
In the future, just don't take threads so seriously. Keep insults out of it, and especially, when the thread gets closed for said insults, dont take it as an opportunity to then go and insult people more. That's not productive. That's my only advice, cheers.
 
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Yeah, it's just that it's so frustrating when someone disagrees with you and even though them disagreeing seemed to have worse points than yours, it was still was agreed with...
 

Wokistan

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Reporting Ameersp

First transgressio. They got banned on another wiki (for being a sock, according to the ban reason) and start spamming the wall of a user who clearly doesn't want that. Gets warned by Ovens.

Second transgressio. Despite being told by the other user to get off their wall, they send another one.

Third transgressio. Keep spamming the wall of said user. They didn't want to report them because the other person talked about some mental issues, but it'd be for the better for them anyways to get off sites like this if that's a true issue. Bringing it up in such a context is very manipulative anyways.

Fourth transgressio. Still won't stop. I warn him.

Fifth transgressio. See #4, but instead of warning I say that I'm doing this post.

Sixth transgressio. Is still doing it for some reason. Not responding to this one because clearly whenever the messages are closed they just go back to posting more.

Edit: So I guess I don't even need to close them for him to keep opening up new ones...

Since it's continuing I just went ahead and banned him. This remains as a summary, I guess.
 
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Dudes been warned like 4 times I think thats enough for a perma ban. Especially if he's carrying it over from other wikis.
 
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He was banned once, requested an unba, which was granted, and then was banned again, with the reason you gave being "Repeated unrepentant deceitful manipulative inflammatory trolling."

Considering that pretty heavy description, and the seemingly identical actions, I don't think unbanning is a good idea.

EDIT: Here are the RVT posts where he was banned, to quote Ant again:


The member who posted it has repeatedly trolled this wiki by trying to start manipulative inflammatory discussions, and then acted like he didn't mean any harm and won't do it again afterwards, just to start all over again.

I personally think that he has lost all traces of credibility, is a wholly destructive influence here, that we should permanently ban him, and say good riddance afterwards.
 
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I just checked the link, and I think this is a massive overreaction.

GetLinkInfo, which is in the OP of this very thread, says it's perfectly safe. I don't even know how you guys are thinking that this guy is a troll, considering all he posted was a link to a safe site.

Unorthodox way to start out? Sure. I don't think that's reason enough to ban the guy.
 
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The link may be safe, but it looks like the person was only here to advertise. Considering their name, their title of the thread, and the contents of the thread, and considering that's their only edit on any wiki.
 

DarkDragonMedeus

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Sending URLs to random people is inherently suspicious and often prone to being malicious. In the past, the links are typically linked to viruses and porn. Anyway, he should have made some clarifications in stead of just link randomly as the first thing he ever does. And advertising stuff is also against Fandom's TOS even if the website is safe to visit.
 

Elizhaa

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I do agree on Medeus and Agnaa's points; this event looks way too suspicious.
 
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All I'm saying is give the guy a warning beforehand.

It's really not a good look to instantly ban people as soon as they join.
 
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Purely because their name was "Demonslayermanga" and all they posted was a link to some pirating site for it, I'm fine with blocking it. We don't need people who are solely here to advertise their own websites.

Also, that site may not be dangerous, but it's not quite innocuous. Some links lead to chains of ads and redirects indicative of shady sites. Banning them over this is no loss, imo.
 
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After being banned three times for that same reason, and warned two times for that same behaviour, he's still going at it, huh...
 

Elizhaa

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Henry has been warned for his behaviors on his message wall, at least twice already. He has been banned three times already. He doesn't look to show improvement so I think a permanent ban is the correct response.
 

Antvasima

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I am very uncertain if simply calling people stupid is enough for a ban. It seems rather harmless to me.
 

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Antvasima said:
I am very uncertain if simply calling people stupid is enough for a ban. It seems rather harmless to me.
I'd agree with you if we were to take it at face value.

The issue is that it's repeated behavior even after warnings and multiple bans dating back to 2016, with context, the ban seems perfectly justified.
 

Antvasima

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Okay. I am still uncomfortable with banning people for such minor offenses though. It makes us seem oversensitive and draconian.
 

Antvasima

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Shouldn't we lift the ban and give him a strict warning instead? I don't want us to turn into speech police.
 

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Antvasima said:
Okay. I am still uncomfortable with banning people for such minor offenses though. It makes us seem oversensitive and draconian.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, I've always preached that we should refrain from jumping the gun when it comes to something seemingly minute in these threads, but I trust in DDM and Schnee's judgement.

I do not believe they would have been so quick to the ban had it been another user, it's just the history here, they weren't being oversensitive, just using common sense to understand that the behavior was not going to change.

I won't comment further on the matter, to save thread space.
 

Antvasima

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Well, it isn't a bannable offense to start with, and I don't want people to have to permanently walk on egg shells just because they have been banned previously. Henry has not been a problematic member in terms of editing as far as I recall, at least not in recent times.
 

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Hm? Have you tried reloading the page? I haven't noticed any problem with username colours myself.
 

Antvasima

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The problem seemed to be temporary as the username colours showed up again. I removed my post.
 

Antvasima

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Anyway, would the rest of you be willing to give Henry another chance? We cannot shelter ourselves from all expressed negativity after all. Life doesn't work like that.
 
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Gonna have to agree with Ant on Henry totally not because I also call people stupid albeit in a more roundabout way. I don't even know how he managed to get banned for doing so multiple times in the first place.
 

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Ant he's had well over three chances already with the amount of warnings/bans he's had. It's less that he's rude and more that he's completely unwilling to change his behaviour, which makes him problematic. I'm for a long ban, maybe not a perm one.
 

Antvasima

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Okay, but that still means that we require him to permanenty walk on eggshells even regarding casual personal annoyance.
 

GyroNutz

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Bit of an exaggeration, he explicitly called everyone in the thread stupid, which he knows hasn't gone down well for him in the past whatsoever.
 
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Personal annoyance isn't the issue, so much as lack of self awareness and control when he lets it go too far. Many people here can get a bad temper, but can also step away and leave the conversation or take a moment to chill and go back.

Without this essential trait, something minor becomes an issue as it turns rampant and there's an obvious lack of control.
 
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I think the issue is more outright aggressiveness and an inability to let up even after incidents and warnings.

We do cuss, but again, the frequency, willingness, and inability to better the behavior when asked just sounds like unnecessary negativeness and unwanted aggression with no hope of betterment.
 

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The word he uses isn't important. It's not even the core of the problem. Henry has been warned and banned several times because he doesn't control his temper and becomes aggresive to other people when someone disagrees with him, instead of being polite and reasonable.

This is a clear case of someone ignoring the warnings and refusing to learn self-control. No matter the word used, the fact that he doesn't follow the rules even after being punished for it m├║ltiple times is telling us he doesn't have interest in learning in the first place. Such people deserves no room here, as we're trying to be a community.
 

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You know what happens when we unban him right? He comes back, inevitably causes more problems because he literally never learned previously, and we inevitably ban him when he does use something inevitably worse

Seriously, we are implying that this guy is actually going to listen to warnings when he comes back despite pure common sense with context dictating this won't happen.
 

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As someone who has had to deal with Henry a bunch, I agree with the permaban here. I didn't know he was banned beforehand, but seeing as he has been banned before and warned multiple times for his behavior and has clearly not shaped up, I say good riddance and move on.
 
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