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I agree with this proposal yes.As I said, the issue isn't that Vapourrrr used the alt to message you, it's that he used the alt to send annoyed messages at the person who reported him.
While this is admittedly a minor use for a sockpuppet, it is still one, which is why I suggested a 1 month extension to the ban, rather than the more typical permaban.
John: Left a warning on their wall.
Is there any reason as too whyI agree with this proposal yes.
This can’t keep continuingIf Agnaa, Ovens, DDM, and myself are all in agreement, I think that is an adequate consensus.
He was banned permanently and he didn't get to argue his case, it's not only unfair to him but also crude because he didn't have a say in the matter
The reasoning he was banned was because people were saying he argued using multiple profiles but cloudyagami is my only account with a forum account, and one of the profiles is significantly older than the other because it was originally denied when he signed up to vswiki so he made another using my backup email to sign up for the site again.
Either way he has changed and won't do things like that again, his ban lasted 4 months and he's grown since then and has promised not to violate the rules again
Your delusion never ceases to amaze me
I’m quite literally not Cloud Yagami, my TikTok is vapour__, I comment on his videos and we respond at the same time, we also talk on disc a fair amount, this is sufficient proofWhilst it wasn't a rule violation, it warrants concern that you immediately upon returning from your ban advocating for unbanning a problematic user, and while doing so made some freudian slips that suggest you are -- in fact -- an alt account of that user:
This was immediately after posting a weird attack on several mods who banned MysticCarnage. During the last few days since your ban was lifted, you've also been rather rude to members on the wiki itself, posting statements on other people's calcs like:
These were on TR matters, which is also a violation of your TR topic ban, in addition to your rude comments towards Knownzn publicly in this thread. Three days ago you called someone delusional for their calc on a subject you're banned from, and I am meant to be convinced that you are remorseful and will change? Sorry, no, I don't buy it.
Call me crazy, but I really am of the belief that this cadre of Cloudyagami, Vapourrr, and MysticCarnage are the same people. They might be using VPNs, it isn't like Cloudyagami is above using deception to dissuade people from thinking he has alts. His steezstifler account has posts on Cloudyagami's wall pretending to be a different person.
Our forum automatically registered the two accounts as being used by the same computer and IP address.Heow so
I was considering mentioning this when I noticed it in the previous posts, but I decided to let it sit due to the ambiguity of it. Namely, Vapourrrrr does not appear to be a strong English speaker, so I was unsure if them referring to (for instance) CloudYagami's email as "my email" was a slip or just an English comprehension error. "Never interrupt someone making a mistake", as they say.While doing so made some freudian slips that suggest you are -- in fact -- an alt account of that user.
Out of curiosity, what of the CloudYagami account? Is that the same IP address?Our forum automatically registered the two accounts as being used by the same computer and IP address.
Okay, so if Vapourrrrr is admitting to being MysticCarnage, then both of those accounts should be permanently banned. Cloud Yagami is already permanently banned, and while I don't particularly believe his protestations of not being Cloud (Bob Marley, anyone?) given that he coincidentally made his account 4 days after Cloud was perma banned, it is a moot point. All of them should be banned.IN MYSTIC CARNAGE BUT IM NOT CLOUD YAGAMI I SWEARRRR
It is true that CloudYagami and Vapourrrrr do not register as being the same person, just MysticCarnage.Out of curiosity, what of the CloudYagami account? Is that the same IP address?
Stop accusing me of being cloudOkay, so if Vapourrrrr is admitting to being MysticCarnage, then both of those accounts should be permanently banned. Cloud Yagami is already permanently banned, and while I don't particularly believe his protestations given that he coincidentally made his account 4 days after Cloud was perma banned (Bob Marley, anyone?) it is a moot point. All of them should be banned.
"I'm not cloudyagami or mysticcarnage, that's insane"I’m not cloudyagami or mysticcarnage, it would be INSANE if I was them though
I'm inclined to say, then, that Cloud and Vapour aren't the same person. If Vapour did not realise they would be caught due to their IP address until now, they wouldn't have used a different IP address previously.It is true that CloudYagami and Vapourrrrr do not register as being the same person, just MysticCarnage.
Agreed.I'm inclined to say, then, that Cloud and Vapour aren't the same person. If Vapour did not realise they would be caught due to their IP address until now, they wouldn't have used a different IP address previously.
As much value as I put on the clarity of a situation, it doesn't really change the core case. Vapourrrrr does need to be banned with everything in mind.
I believe, with the current facts in mind, we should permanently ban both of them. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to them appealing their ban in the future. They've caused trouble, but I can't honestly say I believe their remorse is wholly disingenuous, and I'm hopeful they would improve to the point they could be welcomed back into the community in the future.Anyway, should we let Vapourrrrr/MysticCarnage have one of his accounts eventually be unbanned, or permanently ban both of them?
Just perma-ban for both.Anyway, should we let Vapourrrrr/MysticCarnage have one of his accounts eventually be unbanned, or permanently ban both of them?
Please, slow down. I know this is distressing. I promise we are not trying to hurt you. We are just doing our job.Aggressive as, I don't think you realise your punishments are unhinged, this isn't ******* jail, please realise that this is a online wiki, the punishments you guys give out are insanely harsh especially since you banned me for a MONTH while I was still new and didn't know the rules
Yes, you seem too young for this place as of yet. As it is, you are being a continuous disturbance, so it seems best if you mature for a few years before your return.Please, slow down. I know this is distressing. I promise we are not trying to hurt you. We are just doing our job.
I believe you are more than capable of being a productive member of the community in the future. But right now, you are not, and we need to take action about that. It is nothing personal.
I will advocate for your right to appeal your ban in the future, but please take this time to leave and reflect. It will be for your own good.
I don't particularly mind people appealing bans. I genuinely think this user is probably a child, his overall demeanor genuinely reminds me of what I'd see on like, ROBLOX when I played as a kid. Maybe in a few years if he is still interested in this hobby he can appeal and we can consider it, but for the time being he clearly can't handle it.Well, for what it is worth, I do not think that Vapourrrrr seems malicious, just not mature enough to be a proper productive member yet. Maybe we can let him appeal his ban after two years?
I would prefer one year, but I'm not overly concerned with the exact length.Okay. Permanent bans with the right to appeal lifting one of them after two years then? Again, he does not seem malicious, just far too young and immature to handle the demands of this community.