Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Deagonx]

The staff recently created a warning tracker, and one purpose for doing so was to track instances of non-staff interjecting in the RVR thread without a proper reason, i.e. if they were neither accused nor accuser, and were just feeding into the drama or attempting to weigh in on a situation that did not involve them, so that after enough occurrences those people would be thread banned. This has been a common occurrence that has made moderating this thread more difficult, so we have placed a renewed focus on preventing it.

We haven't really discussed this publicly much, so I am giving this big preface just to make sure no one is confused on the situation. Being thread-banned from RVR is not a punishment. If you post without proper reason your comment will simply be deleted, so there is already in-essence a "soft" thread ban, but people who are making reports, offering important information, or defending themselves are allowed to make comments.

If that privilege is abused, the thread ban serves as a "hard" barrier to commenting, such that a moderator will need to be asked to unban you upon notifying them that you have a report to make, or if an individual is accused they will be unbanned to allow them to defend themselves, or they can notify a moderator that they have pertinent information. They will still have the same leeway to participate, it will just take some extra steps because they have shown a consistent propensity for involving themselves without cause.

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With that explanation out of the way, I believe we should likely threadban @TheMonkeMan from the RVR. He returned from a ban 8 days ago, and since then he has made 7 comments here, 5 of which were deleted, none of which were necessary. He was not reporting anyone (except when he tried to 'report' me and Bambu for being 'unfair' to LordGinSama), he hadn't been reported, he wasn't providing additional information. I cannot link the comments as most of them were deleted, but it happening this often in such a short period of time tells me he's likely to continue doing so, and should be thread banned.

I'll reiterate, a threadban from RVR isn't a punishment, no melodrama is needed about whether it's "deserved" or what not. If he has a valid reason to comment the path to doing so is simply becoming slightly longer given his propensity to comment here out-of-turn, and the high frequency with which he has done so in the week he's been back.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

With that explanation out of the way, I believe we should likely threadban @TheMonkeMan from the RVR. He returned from a ban 8 days ago, and since then he has made 7 comments here, 5 of which were deleted, none of which were necessary.

One:
Not to be rude, but I request that you do not ping me.
Two: When did this even happen?
And three: If you want to threadban me, just go ahead dude, it's not a big problem and I won't even try to protest to it, I don't care enough.

 

[Deagonx]

Not to be rude, but I request that you do not ping me.

I'm making an RVR report so I am obligated to notify you in some regard.

Two: When did this even happen?

The tracker went up a couple weeks ago, and the discussion about how to handle the problem in RVR occurred before that in private.

And three: If you want to threadban me, just go ahead dude, it's not a big problem and I won't even try to protest to it, I don't care enough.

Very well, thank you for making this simpler. I will do so now.

 

[Crabwhale]

The tracker went up a couple weeks ago, and the discussion about how to handle the problem in RVR occurred before that in private.

I should clarify, I was the originator of this idea.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I actually should clarify, I (and @First_Witch) was the one who made this suggestion a year ago (The original concept)

 

[Catzlaflame]

This user has a total of 6 edits, and has removed time stop from a bunch of Xenoblade profiles. They also keep messing with the code for other links on these profiles though I'd assume thats on accident. I am completely unfamilar with the verse, but it appears as though there was no CRT.

I have reverted the edits, and someone should probably give them a heads up. For what its worth, I dont think they are ill-willed because they dont appear to be aware of the external forum.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This user has a total of 6 edits, and has removed time stop from a bunch of Xenoblade profiles. They also keep messing with the code for other links on these profiles though I'd assume thats on accident. I am completely unfamilar with the verse, but it appears as though there was no CRT.

I have reverted the edits, and someone should probably give them a heads up. For what its worth, I dont think they are ill-willed because they dont appear to be aware of the external forum.

Antvasima posted on his wall, and I also commented.

 

[Deceived3596]

This user added wide-sweeping changes to Jugram Haschwalth's profile without a CRT. I don't believe this was done with harmful intent however given the amount of un-troll like work that was done to the profile, such as adding new categories for new abilities, helpful grammatical changes etc. It just seems like they are an inexperienced user who doesn't understand how we operate with our profiles. A warning and explanation of how we run things on the wiki should be sufficient.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

A new user made edits to the Levi Akerman page seemingly without a CRT and with no linked sources or calcs to back up said ratings.
This is their first edit on the wiki and it's from a new account so I don't believe they are aware of how things work on the Wiki.
In all likelihood it's probably a young inexperienced user who is unfamiliar with Wiki rules.
I have since reverted the edits

I believe a warning is appropriate

 

[Antvasima]

This user added wide-sweeping changes to Jugram Haschwalth's profile without a CRT. I don't believe this was done with harmful intent however given the amount of un-troll like work that was done to the profile, such as adding new categories for new abilities, helpful grammatical changes etc. It just seems like they are an inexperienced user who doesn't understand how we operate with our profiles. A warning and explanation of how we run things on the wiki should be sufficient.

Agnaa and I have handled it.

Apotheosis69

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

A new user made edits to the Levi Akerman page seemingly without a CRT and with no linked sources or calcs to back up said ratings.
This is their first edit on the wiki and it's from a new account so I don't believe they are aware of how things work on the Wiki.
In all likelihood it's probably a young inexperienced user who is unfamiliar with Wiki rules.
I have since reverted the edits

I believe a warning is appropriate

I handled it.

VampireClose

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Omegabronic]

probably a mistake, but still just puting it here just in case, but this profile got a lot of stuff removed, without any crt linked for such removals, so i think that it should be reverted back, the one who did it was @Dereck03

 

[GarrixianXD]

probably a mistake, but this profile got a lot of stuff removed, without any crt linked for such removals, so i think that it should be reverted back

Looks like it undergone a CRT since Dereck edited it

 

[Agnaa]

There was a CRT; this thread started to be applied, but then they asked for a staff member to revert the changes so that the CRT could be remade, and so Dereck did.

 

[Omegabronic]

There was a CRT; this thread started to be applied, but then they asked for a staff member to revert the changes so that the CRT could be remade, and so Dereck did.

thank you for letting me know

 

[Shmooply]

@GarrixianXD posted a screenshot of a tweet talking about a man committing a murder-suicide. Considering the thread, it's likely they wanted to post a different image but accidentally sent that screenshot instead.

 

[GarrixianXD]

@GarrixianXD posted a screenshot of a tweet talking about a man committing a murder-suicide. Considering the thread, it's likely they wanted to post a different image but accidentally sent that screenshot instead.

Sorry, I deleted it

Yeah, that was unintentional

 

[Agnaa]

Not sure if this should be considered report-worthy, but I figure I should ask.

The user @Tyloxtus (wiki message wall here) has repeatedly had issues creating and editing pages. After adding them all to the warning tracker, they've been warned a total of 17 times over the past 18 months. This has continued even today, where I just now deleted a page of theirs.

These warnings have covered a decent variety of issues, but from early on there's been issues that are still present today (not including calculations for statistics).

What should be done, if anything? And if nothing should be done, when should I come back to ask if something should be done?

 

[Dalesean027]

Not sure if this should be considered report-worthy, but I figure I should ask.

The user @Tyloxtus (wiki message wall here) has repeatedly had issues creating and editing pages. After adding them all to the warning tracker, they've been warned a total of 17 times over the past 18 months. This has continued even today, where I just now deleted a page of theirs.

These warnings have covered a decent variety of issues, but from early on there's been issues that are still present today (not including calculations for statistics).

What should be done, if anything? And if nothing should be done, when should I come back to ask if something should be done?

Bruh we've literally told him that profile won't cut it and isn't up to par for wiki standards at all in the Legend Of Zelda discussion thread so this definitely isn't an unknown issue on his part

 

[Mr. Bambu]

While some of those editing mistakes are fairly minor, that's a pretty staggering amount of mistakes. Cursory judgement tells me that he seems like a decent enough user aside from his apparent trouble with editing to our standards, perhaps we could simply disbar him from editing pages (henceforth considering that a rule violation) until we decide he seems capable of doing so on his own? He could still make use of sandboxes and ask for more skilled users to handle any revisions he's a part of.

I'd rather not take actual action, as it seems to me he is... trying, at least, to comply with quality issues.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah its not the worst at all he just needs to listen a better, I'll vouch for him tho he does want to help at least

 

[Agnaa]

Bruh we've literally told him that profile won't cut it and isn't up to par for wiki standards at all in the Legend Of Zelda discussion thread so this definitely isn't an unknown issue on his part

Yeah okay, not listening to that feedback makes me less hopeful that the "run your profiles past other people first" idea will work, but ig it could still be worth a shot.

Will wait for more feedback before applying it.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Not sure if this should be considered report-worthy, but I figure I should ask.

The user @Tyloxtus (wiki message wall here) has repeatedly had issues creating and editing pages. After adding them all to the warning tracker, they've been warned a total of 17 times over the past 18 months. This has continued even today, where I just now deleted a page of theirs.

These warnings have covered a decent variety of issues, but from early on there's been issues that are still present today (not including calculations for statistics).

What should be done, if anything? And if nothing should be done, when should I come back to ask if something should be done?

I honestly think we should better define what constitutes needing a CRT. For the mods it might look like a crazy change, but in the context of the verse it might just seem like the most obvious change in the world. Right now it's pretty subjective on what "controversial enough to need a CRT" even is.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Every change to a character's statistics, no matter how self-evident it seems, requires a CRT. Whether it's a new ability, an upgrade to a stat, a downgrade to a stat, an ability removal, etc.

 

[Tyloxtus]

Bruh we've literally told him that profile won't cut it and isn't up to par for wiki standards at all in the Legend Of Zelda discussion thread so this definitely isn't an unknown issue on his part

I had already posted it by the time you told me that.

 

[Dalesean027]

I had already posted it by the time you told me that.

Oh I'm not hawking you there, you're absolutely correct. We didn't know you were making it at all before you posted it but its the comments after that were meh

That said I know you've been wanting thisr to progress and to help with the verse so I personally am not really tripping

 

[Agnaa]

I honestly think we should better define what constitutes needing a CRT. For the mods it might look like a crazy change, but in the context of the verse it might just seem like the most obvious change in the world. Right now it's pretty subjective on what "controversial enough to need a CRT" even is.

As I've seen it implemented in the last few years, the changes that don't need CRTs are ones that don't involve changing abilities and stats. Adding extra justifications, examples, fixing grammar, etc. is fine. Although we are more lenient if the person making those substantial changes created the page themselves, and did so recently (in the past few weeks), due to forgetting something when first posting it.

I say "in the last few years" since we used to be a lot looser with that, but for the time you've been on the wiki, I think we've been that strict.

 

[Antvasima]

Tyloxtus seems to be trying hard/make a genuine effort, yes. Their editing skills and familiarity with our rules just don't seem quite acceptable yet.

 

[KLOL506]

Reporting Vergillover69 for vandalizing Dante's profile. Profile must've been unlocked due to some other CRT going in and he swooped in.

I have left the man a warning.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It's a new user, I'll drop in just to add legitimacy.

 

[GarrixianXD]

This user changed the stats of this profile without a CRT and also seemed to have made other unwarranted changes to various Dragon Ball pages.

 

[Propellus]

This user changed the stats of this profile with a CRT and also seemed to have made other unwarranted changes to various Dragon Ball pages.

This guy seems to have a history regarding this report looking at his message wall, and he appears to have gotten banned for this twice

 

[Crabwhale]

Previous ban was three months. Should we bump it up to six?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Previous ban was three months. Should we bump it up to six?

Fine with that.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Previous ban was three months. Should we bump it up to six?

Honestly may be a bit soft for a repeat offender of this flavor of offense, but I'm down with it if you are.

 

[Crabwhale]

Honestly may be a bit soft for a repeat offender of this flavor of offense, but I'm down with it if you are.

Six was a tentative number, if you're leaning on too light, I am as well.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Six was a tentative number, if you're leaning on too light, I am as well.

I would have defaulted to a year for a second ban.

 

[Crabwhale]

Then,

 

[Agnaa]

Since one year wasn't applied, I've gone ahead and done that.

 

[Agnaa]

I'd still like any input on the Tyloxtus situation.

If I get none, I'll declare that he can't edit or create pages without approval from another user for 3 months.