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I think that's one of the cases of outliers in the real world.
Yes. Outliers exist in the real world.
By this logic, should we give some humans Type 2 Immortality because they were able to survive as a head?
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Rocky and Creed: Small Additions
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Yes. Outliers exist in the real world.
By this logic, should we give some humans Type 2 Immortality because they were able to survive as a head?
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Most likely forgot, I added them
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Pretty sure Type 2 is for people that actually survive and continue to retain some decent fraction of their functionality in spite of imminently fatal injury, not people who take a few seconds to realize their card is punched and then croak. Plus, it's not an outlier for a brain to retain activity after a clean decapitation, maintaining brain activity, conscious or otherwise, after heart death is a feature, not a bug. And yes, I'm well aware that outliers exist irl, the concept basically comes from statistical arithmetic. The statistical outlier isn't the survival, it's the person not immediately going unconscious due to shock. But unlike in vs debates, outliers irl are still valid statistical occurrences as long as there are not factors that tamper with the data to the extent of making it unusable. They're not impossibilities that occur anyway due to the author being goofy, they're just data that differ from the trend.
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He was just taking advantage of Chavez's already injuried shoulder from their sparring iirc (Similar to what Johnny did to Daniel's leg in the 1st Karate Kid movie.) or He just kept pummeling Chavez's shoulder to increase damage and pain (Like some MMA fighter that keeps leg kicking his opponent until he can't take it no more.) i don't think it's necessarily Pressure Points.
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I'm still with Armor here.
It's a combination of Stamina + Supernatural Willpower.
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I unfortunately think it's just stamina in this case, don't get me wrong, Adonis have a superb willpower but i do not see any "supernatual" aspect in his showings. Rocky overcoming a neurological condition that left heavily incapacitaded through sheer will on the other hand...
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Agreed
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What kind of training did he go through?
We can still index it and just label it as "Immense/Strong Willpower" instead of just flat out "Supernatural Willpower".
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He trained in the desert with Rocky basically, getting the ever-living shit beat out of him day in day out; Rocky literally slammed a giant solid exercise ball into his stomach everyday which made him puke out blood, and he had to take literally ice-cold baths to ease the pain of his training, are the most impressive feats.
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That probably could work
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I think that's just enough to qualify.
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Again all very impressive, just not really supernatural.
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What exactly do we really qualify as a "supernatural" willpower, though? No average Joe could really pull off what Adonis did.
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Honestly true, dude collapsed from exhaustion in the middle of a desert and then kept going like nothing happened a few seconds later. Add that to him snapping awake from a severe knockout with extremely little mental fog compared to what one would experience irl, and that makes twice that he's taken mere seconds to sleep off shit that warranted immediate medical intervention
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The "standards" for Supernatural Willpower are so vague.
There are so many things imo that qualify, but at the same time, there are mfs who watch too much anime and think that should be the standard for Supernatural Willpower.
Imho, I think we should still index those feats of Willpower, but just label it as "Immense/Strong Willpower".
The whole point is to prove that "Yeah, this guy doesn't quite fall into Supernatural territories, but he still has one hell of a strong will."
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Supernatural Willpower is the ability to exceed one's own limits through sheer willpower to a degree extremely far beyond real human standards. Although some characters can be considered to have a great will to achieve their goals or give their all in a fight, characters that have a willpower on this level can go vastly beyond what should logically be possible for them, with more extreme cases being able to oppose natural phenomena.
Taken from the wiki, but i do believe the Supernatural willpower page could be have a more objective definition tho
No doubt about that.
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This is basically my main gripe with the ability. It's so ******* vague.
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Couldn't have said it better!
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Then I see no real reason why Adonis should be unable to qualify for it? Logically, when you collapse in the middle of the desert directly onto scalding asphalt, you wouldn't be able to get up and run even faster as if nothing had happened. Like a human just biologically couldn't do this IRL without hella adrenaline or prior training.
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Like, I don't think "Supernatural" Willpower has to be some anime nonsense where people lose 99% of their organs and still fight or some shit. It's just having high willpower and being able to exceed your normal biological (or any other) limits via said willpower.
Adonis has done this like a billion times already.
Adonis has done this like a billion times already.
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Immediately bouncing back from heat illness without even a water bottle on hand and jumping back up from a knockout that honestly the ref should've immediately ended the fight on are definitely opposing natural phenomena, especially given that he's immediately back to giving it almost 100% (completing his run without health complications after fainting from heat and exhaustion, outlasting Conlan and nearly knocking him out after having his lights shut off)
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Technically speaking that's not how it happened we only see Creed falling onto the scalding asphalt, then he lies there for a seemingly small but unknown amount of time (Which a for a guy with his level of stamina and will, he could probably recover some of his stamina) and then we only see him getting up and the scene ends. The scene in which runs faster could probably be in another day since he has no shirt in this scene. And i still don't see anything supernatural, only a very impressive showing of stamina, recovery, and determination.
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I'm aware of how the scene happened, but, still, it really just depends on what one considers to be supernatural.
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Frankly him being well enough after collapsing in the desert to not need to check into even an urgent care, and moreover complete his training for the day and come back the following day(s) in considerably better condition is bordering on supernatural
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He prolly should've had hella burns as well from falling directly onto smoldering asphalt lol.
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Totally agree, the supernatural willpower page don't have a strict criteria.
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Because Creed is a fictional character so his feats generally are going to be better by default, my point is, it's possible for someone jump back up from a knockout, Creed just did more impressively.
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Okay so if his feats are better than what's natural then you agree that he's doing something... supernatural?
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Not necessarily, remember characters that have a willpower on this level can go vastly beyond what should logically be possible for them, i mean if we give supernatual willpower to any character whose determination feats are better than what's natural, then every protagonist of an action film, comic, manga, games, books and nearly half of fiction basically, should have it, since they are able to get up after receiving far more damage than normal human is able to resist. So we should have more strict standards.
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Disagree.
If a protagonist of a series demonstrates willpower far beyond what's possible for a normal human, then they should have Supernatural Willpower. No if, ands, or buts.
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What's you definition of a willpower far beyond what's possible for a normal human?
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It's actually annoying how vague and subjective Supernatural Willpower is.
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