Rocky and Creed: Small Additions

[Silvervigilant]

With Creed 3 coming out, i decided to rewatch all the Rocky and Creed movies, and i think there are some little abilities that Rocky (in particular) and Creed should have on their profile.

Rocky Balboa:

Rage Power

• When enraged, Rocky was able to easily tank Clubber Lang's punches despite the fact that those same punches were able to heavily damage him before

Regeneration

• Low; was able to heal the damage in his eye, despite being nearly blind and the doctors advising him never to fight again because of the high risk of him going blind, Rocky would go on to fight 15 more times with his eye not being a problem anymore

Accelerated Development

• Rocky was able to nearly beat the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world Apollo Creed, just after training seriously for less than one month or so. Rocky was a low class boxer at the time with a record of 44 wins (38 by KO) and 20 defeats, Creed on the other hand had a record of 46 fights, 46 wins (46 knockouts) and was considered by many to be the best boxer or outright fighter who ever lived.
• In their second fight Apollo was taking the rematch seriously and training harder than he have ever trained, he gets into the best shape of his life, packing on 220 pounds to maintain his weight advantage over Rocky while simultaneously keeping up his killer speed, and steamrolling through every professional sparring partner put in the ring with him, one after the other without ever even being touched. Rocky's heart isn't really in it, however, and things get worse when Adrian falls into a coma during a premature birth. Mickey knows Rocky will get badly beaten if he can't pull himself around, but his pep talks fail to leave an impression. It's only after Adrian wakes up and motivates him that he begins to train seriously, but by that time he already lost precious time to train while Creed had already been training for much longer. Rocky still manages to win the fight.
• In Rocky 3 he was able to enhance his speed, boxing technique and quickly learn Apollo's fighting style, throughout the course of his training, Rocky eventually grows fast enough to surpass Apollo, displaying his newly enhanced agility, dancing around the speedbag and dodging all around Apollo during their sparring session. Rocky became nearly or just as good as Apollo skill wise in a short timeframe.
• In Rocky 4 Rocky was able to greatly improve his physical capacity to fight toe to toe against Ivan Drago by training with only the bare essentials.
• In Rocky Balboa, Rocky now at the age of 60, retired for 20 years with arthritis, calcium deposits on most of his joints, bad knees, and, to quote Duke, "no speed", fights the world unfeated undisputed heavywiehgt champion, 30 year old Mason "The Line" Dixon (A man who began boxing training when he was 10, and was dominating his division to the point that he had no more worthy opponents left), Rocky was able to go the distance against him after training for some time to get back in shape.)

Supernatural Willpower

• Rocky was able to overcome his Cavum Septum Pellucidum condition (something that is irreversible and affected both his mind and body with horrible pain) through sheer willpower in mid fight.

Adonis Creed:

Accelerated Development

• Despite being self taught, Adonis was able to beat the 6 ranked light heavyweight in the world in seconds with the latter not being able to land a single hit on him, Adonis was able to fight toe to toe against Pretty Ricky Colan (who was considered to be the best P4P fighter in the world at the time) after only months of training. Adonis Creed was also able to withstand Viktor Drago's punches much better in the rematch after his training in the desert.

 

[Pugao_03]

I agree

 

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[Armorchompy]

With Creed 3 coming out, i decided to rewatch all the Rocky and Creed movies, and i think there are some little abilities that Rocky (in particular) and Creed should have on their profile.

Rocky Balboa:

Rage Power

• When enraged, Rocky was able to easily tank Clubber Lang's punches despite the fact that those same punches were able to heavily damage him before

In the first scan he's properly guarding against them, in the second he's just getting hit in the head, I don't think that's inherently his stats going up, more him defending against them better.

Regeneration

• Low; was able to heal the damage in his eye, despite being nearly blind and the doctors advising him never to fight again because of the high risk of him going blind, Rocky would go on to fight 15 more times with his eye not being a problem anymore

They did completely forget about that plot point huh. I guess it's fine.

Accelerated Development

• Rocky was able to nearly beat the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world Apollo Creed, just after training seriously for less than one month or so. Rocky was a low class boxer at the time with a record of 44 wins (38 by KO) and 20 defeats, Creed on the other hand had a record of 46 fights, 46 wins (46 knockouts) and was considered by many to be the best boxer or outright fighter who ever lived.
• In their second fight Apollo was taking the rematch seriously and training harder than he have ever trained, he gets into the best shape of his life, packing on 220 pounds to maintain his weight advantage over Rocky while simultaneously keeping up his killer speed, and steamrolling through every professional sparring partner put in the ring with him, one after the other without ever even being touched. Rocky's heart isn't really in it, however, and things get worse when Adrian falls into a coma during a premature birth. Mickey knows Rocky will get badly beaten if he can't pull himself around, but his pep talks fail to leave an impression. It's only after Adrian wakes up and motivates him that he begins to train seriously, but by that time he already lost precious time to train while Creed had already been training for much longer. Rocky still manages to win the fight.
• In Rocky 3 he was able to enhance his speed, boxing technique and quickly learn Apollo's fighting style, throughout the course of his training, Rocky eventually grows fast enough to surpass Apollo, displaying his newly enhanced agility, dancing around the speedbag and dodging all around Apollo during their sparring session. Rocky became nearly or just as good as Apollo skill wise in a short timeframe.
• In Rocky 4 Rocky was able to greatly improve his physical capacity to fight toe to toe against Ivan Drago by training with only the bare essentials.
• In Rocky Balboa, Rocky now at the age of 60, retired for 20 years with arthritis, calcium deposits on most of his joints, bad knees, and, to quote Duke, "no speed", fights the world unfeated undisputed heavywiehgt champion, 30 year old Mason "The Line" Dixon (A man who began boxing training when he was 10, and was dominating his division to the point that he had no more worthy opponents left), Rocky was able to go the distance against him after training for some time to get back in shape.)

Yeah that's reasonable.

Supernatural Willpower

• Rocky was able to overcome his Cavum Septum Pellucidum condition (something that is irreversible and affected both his mind and body with horrible pain) through sheer willpower in mid fight.

Sure. You could maybe also list this under regen.

Adonis Creed:

Accelerated Development

• Despite being self taught, Adonis was able to beat the 6 ranked light heavyweight in the world in seconds with the latter not being able to land a single hit on him, Adonis was able to fight toe to toe against Pretty Ricky Colan (who was considered to be the best P4P fighter in the world at the time) after only months of training. Adonis Creed was also able to withstand Viktor Drago's punches much better in the rematch after his training in the desert.

Makes sense.

 

[Silvervigilant]

In the first scan he's properly guarding against them, in the second he's just getting hit in the head, I don't think that's inherently his stats going up, more him defending against them better.

Yeah the video that i put is not that clear, but in the fight you can see that he begins to take hits much better when he starts to get angry.

They did completely forget about that plot point huh. I guess it's fine.

Yeah they did lol.

Sure. You could maybe also list this under regen.

Alright.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah the video that i put is not that clear, but in the fight you can see that he begins to take hits much better when he starts to get angry.

That's the brain damage beginning to set in

I feel like that could be explained as Lang getting tired or something, or just adrenaline kicking in, I dunno if I'd give the ability personally since he's not shrugging them off or anything

 

[Silvervigilant]

That's the brain damage beginning to set in

I feel like that could be explained as Lang getting tired or something, or just adrenaline kicking in, I dunno if I'd give the ability personally since he's not shrugging them off or anything

Alright so with the exception of Rage Power every other thing can be added right?

Also does Rocky and Adonis training and getting stronger to fight their opponents count as Preparation?

 

[Armorchompy]

Alright so with the exception of Rage Power every other thing can be added right?

yeah sure

Also does Rocky and Adonis training and getting stronger to fight their opponents count as Preparation?

It's been a bit since I watched any Rocky movie so you'll need to remind me, do they specifically train to counter their opponents' techniques and strengths? I think Rocky does that at least but I'm not sure.

 

[Silvervigilant]

It's been a bit since I watched any Rocky movie so you'll need to remind me, do they specifically train to counter their opponents' techniques and strengths? I think Rocky does that at least but I'm not sure.

Well kinda.

In the first Rocky movie, Rocky trains his balance and stamina to keep up with Apollo. in Rocky 2, the focus of Rocky's training is getting faster, to be able hit Apollo more easily, Rocky also begins to train as a right-handed fighter to confuse Apollo and prevent him from punishing the right side of his face like he did in their last match. In Rocky 3, Rocky's training goal is to hone his reflexes and footwork by a significant amount, and learn how to fight like an outboxer to negate Clubber Slugger fighting style, which he successfully does. In Rocky 4, Rocky trains his strength and edurance to fight toe to toe against Ivan Drago, Rocky also trains to ignore pain. in Rocky Balboa, Rocky trains only to build power, since at that age and with arthritis, calcium deposits on most of his joints, and bad knees he can't compete against Dixon in speed, however every punch that he lands on Dixon would be so powerful "they'll rattle his ancestors". which is a great strategy against Dixon who's never had to endure much punishiment in his career

As for Adonis Creed he did trained to increase his durability to fight Viktor Drago, and the training paid well.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think for Rocky it's fine, unsure about apollo tho since that's a fairly generic concept

 

[Silvervigilant]

I think for Rocky it's fine, unsure about apollo tho since that's a fairly generic concept

You mean Adonis right? but yeah, i think you're right. So can the changes be applied?

 

[Armorchompy]

yeah adonis

yeah

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

I agree with the additions to Rocky apart from maybe the Rage Power.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Agreed. Have the approved changes been applied?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Agreed. Have the approved changes been applied?

I still did not have enough time

 

[Wdinatx]

I agree with all of these except maybe Supernatural Willpower because Rocky was given a clean bill of health in Balboa, which makes me think he was misdiagnosed.

 

[Silvervigilant]

I agree with all of these except maybe Supernatural Willpower because Rocky was given a clean bill of health in Balboa, which makes me think he was misdiagnosed.

I understand your point but the movie never explicitly tell us that he was misdiagnosed. In fact in Rocky V we literally see him overcome the effects of his condition mid fight. So i think Supernatural Willpower is a more valid interpretation given what we have. Rocky was given a clean bill of health in Rocky Balboa because he overcame his brain condition in V.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

 

[azontr]

Agree with everything.

Didn't even know we had Rocky and Creed profiles.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If only this verse's AP was high enough...

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I understand your point but the movie never explicitly tell us that he was misdiagnosed. In fact in Rocky V we literally see him overcome the effects of his condition mid fight. So i think Supernatural Willpower is a more valid interpretation given what we have. Rocky was given a clean bill of health in Rocky Balboa because he overcame his brain condition in V.

Should probably also grant him at least Low Regeneration then as well

 

[SheevShezarrine]

If only this verse's AP was high enough...

fortunately they got some crazy skill feats and scaling chains so they can dominate in haxless 9-C brawls

 

[RandomGuy2345]

fortunately they got some crazy skill feats and scaling chains so they can dominate in haxless 9-C brawls

Hopefully you can find some feats that are worth calculating. WWE vs Rocky or Creed would be cool asf.

 

[Armorchompy]

it's just a boxing series, they don't go around punching through walls or brawling with rhinos

 

[RandomGuy2345]

it's just a boxing series, they don't go around punching through walls or brawling with rhinos

Is cracking concrete worth anything?

 

[Silvervigilant]

it's just a boxing series, they don't go around punching through walls or brawling with rhinos

Well Tommy was able to break down an iron gate off it's hinges, when he rammed Rocky through it. Nothing compared to punching through walls or brawling with rhinos but it's something.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well Tommy was able to break down an iron gate off it's hinges, when he rammed Rocky through it. nothing compared to punching through walls or brawling with rhinos but it's something.

And apparently Ivan can crack concrete.

 

[Armorchompy]

knocking doors off hinges is 9-C, idk if there's a calc

 

[Wdinatx]

And apparently Ivan can crack concrete.

Correction: Ivan can punch at over 2,100, which is enough to crack concrete.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I've been thinking, should Adonis get some amount of resistance to Pressure Points for his extraordinary ability to bounce back from knockouts and other concussions?
Also, once Dame gets a profile, he should probably be attributed Pressure Points for specifically targeting parts of his opponents' bodies (such as deliberately hammering away at Felix Chavez's shoulder) to severely weaken them beyond what more generalized strikes would achieve.
Plus, much of the series main cast should get Preparation on their profile, since they're shown training specifically to strengthen their best attributes, compensate for their weaknesses, completely rearrange their fighting style, and are even seen at times studying their opponents' previous fights to get the best feel for their style, their strengths and their weaknesses. In short, it's specialized training to the point that it transcends basic skill and stat-boosting training, and gets into minutae to the point that it's specifically designed to counter their opponents, which afaik counts as Prep

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I've been thinking, should Adonis get some amount of resistance to Pressure Points for his extraordinary ability to bounce back from knockouts and other concussions?

Isn't that just stamina?

Also, once Dame gets a profile, he should probably be attributed Pressure Points for specifically targeting parts of his opponents' bodies (such as deliberately hammering away at Felix Chavez's shoulder) to severely weaken them beyond what more generalized strikes would achieve.

I thought Pressure Points was a bit more complex than just attacking a specific part of the opponents' bodies in a fight.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I thought Pressure Points was a bit more complex than just attacking a specific part of the opponents' bodies in a fight.

This is correct.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Isn't that just stamina?


I thought Pressure Points was a bit more complex than just attacking a specific part of the opponents' bodies in a fight.

Springing back to lucidity from severe concussion and unconsciousness resulting from punches that could ragdoll him and cause him to flop to the canvas a few feet away? Hell no. Simple stamina isn't gonna have someone springing back from a severe knockout that should've put him in the ER, and then have him power through the rest of the fight almost like it didn't happen and only just barely fail to TKO his opponent at the end of the 12th round. Plus, it's been brought up at least once that he's been handed several severe concussions, yet it hardly affects him in Creed III, where he's been retired for half a decade. Hell, during his training montage in said movie, he gets knocked on his butt by a headshot from Drago, only to get right back up, take his headgear off, and dominate the rest of the spar. His resistance to brain trauma is insane.

The concept of pressure points literally comes from the irl practice of targeting specific points on one's body in both combative and therapeutic contexts. Even the more dramatic usages such as paralysis, severe organ damage, and instant death can be achieved irl, just not to as overpowered an extent as in something like Baki or Hokuto no Ken

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Springing back to lucidity from severe concussion and unconsciousness resulting from punches that could ragdoll him and cause him to flop to the canvas a few feet away? Hell no. Simple stamina isn't gonna have someone springing back from a severe knockout that should've put him in the ER, and then have him power through the rest of the fight almost like it didn't happen and only just barely fail to TKO his opponent at the end of the 12th round. Plus, it's been brought up at least once that he's been handed several severe concussions, yet it hardly affects him in Creed III, where he's been retired for half a decade. Hell, during his training montage in said movie, he gets knocked on his butt by Drago, only to get right back up, take his headgear off, and dominate the rest of the spar. His resistance to brain trauma is insane.

Supernatural Willpower could work.

The concept of pressure points literally comes from the irl practice of targeting specific points on one's body in both combative and therapeutic contexts. Even the more dramatic usages such as paralysis, severe organ damage, and instant death can be achieved irl, just not to as overpowered an extent as in something like Baki or Hokuto no Ken

I'll remain neutral on the Pressure Points stuff for now, but if this is true, then I already know a few characters who should be given PP via them always attacking a specific body part in a match.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think that's just stamina, we have people getting up from things that should kill them pretty often here. I gave a character of mine Superhuman cause he survived as a chopped off head for a minute, we're not going too hard on the realism.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I think that's just stamina, we have people getting up from things that should kill them pretty often here. I gave a character of mine Superhuman cause he survived as a chopped off head for a minute, we're not going too hard on the realism.

I think you can argue Supernatural Willpower in this case as well.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I think that's just stamina, we have people getting up from things that should kill them pretty often here. I gave a character of mine Superhuman cause he survived as a chopped off head for a minute, we're not going too hard on the realism.

That literally is semi-realistic though