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Concept Destruction is a hax so it would still affect AltairsSetsuna tenma said:altair is a 2B concept and this is 2C rimuru so concept destruction will not work against her
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Concept Destruction is a hax so it would still affect AltairsSetsuna tenma said:altair is a 2B concept and this is 2C rimuru so concept destruction will not work against her
No quite, Rimuru does have Causality Manipulation resistance which should cover this. I do believe that he has resistance to time manipulation though.Setsuna tenma said:yesEganergo said:Can't altair just use outline origin to make Rimuru back to his original slime form?
it will not kill her though you need 2B concept destruction to kill herNedge1000 said:Concept Destruction is a hax so it would still affect AltairsSetsuna tenma said:altair is a 2B concept and this is 2C rimuru so concept destruction will not work against her
outline is plot manipulation,time manipulation is just a bonus.It works by removing plot twists and turning the target back to the begining of the plotNedge1000 said:No quite, Rimuru does have Causality Manipulation resistance which should cover this. I do believe that he has resistance to time manipulation though.Setsuna tenma said:yesEganergo said:Can't altair just use outline origin to make Rimuru back to his original slime form?
Targeted Reversal (Outline Origin brings a character to his/her beginning)
As it is a plot manipulation, wouldn't 1 rimuru back to beginning and lost its power create a paradox that will result in the other Rimuru to perish?Celestial Pegasus said:I mean that would just be returning 1 rimuru back to begining, several others still exist, including in another universe.
rimuru has type 1 acasualityEganergo said:As it is a plot manipulation, wouldn't 1 rimuru back to beginning and lost its power create a paradox that will result in the other Rimuru to perish?Celestial Pegasus said:I mean that would just be returning 1 rimuru back to begining, several others still exist, including in another universe.
altair can just use outline orgin on the main rimuruCelestial Pegasus said:With teleportation, you need to kill all of them at once, which altair can't do.
This wouldn't work. If Rimuru only has Parallel Existence then that might be the case. Rimuru's Multiple Parallel Existence is pretty much a combination of Parallel Existence (amongst the myriad of Rimuru, there is 1 main Rimuru) and Multiple Existence (amongst the myriad of Rimuru, all of them are main Rimuru). Multiple Parallel Existence have the superior traits of the latter while also having the easy-to-use of the former. Altair would need to use Outline Origin on all existing Rimuru if she wants to win that waySetsuna tenma said:altair can just use outline orgin on the main rimuruCelestial Pegasus said:With teleportation, you need to kill all of them at once, which altair can't do.
here is the thing her concept is spread across a 2B SCALE so you need 2B concept destruction to kill her.She is a 2B conceptAssaltwaffle said:If Rimuru has Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation he absolutely curbs Altair. You don't need 2-B range to kill Altair if you enter Type 2/1 Conceptual Manipulation, since you're targeting the fundamental idea of "Altair-ness". However, targeting individuals and not just overarching concepts like "light-ness" with Type 2 or 1 need to be proven, as that level of conceptual attacking is unbelievably strong.
Assaltwaffle said:However, targeting individuals and not just overarching concepts like "light-ness" with Type 2 or 1 need to be proven, as that level of conceptual attacking is unbelievably strong.
@Setsuna tenma, this is not how it. In general, abilities like these work as long characters shared the same Dimensional Tiering and in this case, they are at a 4-D tier. So concept destruction works.Setsuna tenma said:here is the thing her concept is spread across a 2B SCALE so you need 2B concept destruction to kill her.She is a 2B conceptAssaltwaffle said:If Rimuru has Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation he absolutely curbs Altair. You don't need 2-B range to kill Altair if you enter Type 2/1 Conceptual Manipulation, since you're targeting the fundamental idea of "Altair-ness". However, targeting individuals and not just overarching concepts like "light-ness" with Type 2 or 1 need to be proven, as that level of conceptual attacking is unbelievably strong.
YesLancer45Man said:But has Rimuru done this?Assaltwaffle said:However, targeting individuals and not just overarching concepts like "light-ness" with Type 2 or 1 need to be proven, as that level of conceptual attacking is unbelievably strong.
@Der Wehrwolf, this is another way that he could deal with itDer Wehrwolf said:Also. Looking up past threads, there were some arguments that since Outline Origin spreads out as some kind of omnidirectional wave, then Rimuru would have the mean to deal with it. He can, for example, make the wave miss him by altering probability with Nyarlathotep, making the wave itself disappear with Mephisto or Azazel, etc
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2 or 3) would give the conceptual attack which Rimuru Tempest qualifiesLancer45Man said:When? Inb4 He absorbed Angels and Demons. That's not the same thing being said here.
I agree. Assaltwaffle, I believe this statement by Celestial Pegasus what concepts Rimuru Tempest can attacks. In any case, Type 3 beats Type 4 Conceptual ManipulationCelestial Pegasus said:I don't think he has type 1 or 2 .
Only type 3 since in the future a spirit will be born that erases everything which includes the other spirits who birth caused their respective elements to exist, ie time coming to exist because the spirit of time was born.
I agree with your points, Assaltwaffle. So, I am switching my vote to inconclusive for nowAssaltwaffle said:@Nedge
Not necessarily. Type 3 and 4 are bound by what they have shown to encompass since neither are beyond reality. For the case of effecting a Type 4 conceptual, 3 and 4 are perfectly equal. If you are trying to target a character with Type 3 it is restricted by the range the original feat showed, which isn't 2-B in range.