Rimuru Tempest vs MetalPhantomon

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This episode would imply that the grave scream isn't passive, however all other sources note that the scythe itself gives off the grave scream, implying it to be by default. Although MPM can stop and start it as he pleases.

 

[InfiniteSped]

the scythe doing it wouldn't necessarily mean it's passive though, just the gear doing it instead of himself, no? We need some proof that he always keeps it on, if the episode implies otherwise.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Except he always has his scythe going in every other media, this is the only media in which he doesn't have his energy scythe out. Heck in the episode, the sound was going off before he appeared before the characters.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Got any examples of it happening in other media? That'd show that he always keeps it on, and doesn't just turns it on when he's about to face an enemy.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So I looked into his other appearance and here is what I got.

Official Reference book noted that this scythe make the sound, however it actually doesn't note that it's alway on like I thought it did.

Although, it only takes an instant to activate.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So, it depends who strikes first?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Passive stuff are a lot more broken, so having to activate it is a pretty important detail.

Would activating it be his first move in a fight?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yeah, although Rrimuru would need more than Radiation.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Passive stuff are a lot more broken, so having to activate it is a pretty important detail.
Would activating it be his first move in a fight?

Yes. Especially when he doesn't know who his opponent is. Especially seeing as his Graave Scream is his claim to fame in all media.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Rimuru has many other hax abilities, but I don't believe the one that would really count (Veldora's EE aura) would help. So it's really a stalemate. Rimuru's Ultimate Skills can be triggered via thought, same with Primative Magic.

Once again, saying incon.

 

[Elizhaa]

Rimuru has Type 9 Immortality in this key and of his true body is in an imaginary sapce. We talked about before th range needed and @Celestial Pegaus agree that Low Multiversal range is required to affect Rimruru.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

But apparently it's a stomp if he's permanently incapped.

 

[Elizhaa]

But apparently it's a stomp if he's permanently incapped.

It mean his true body should not be affected and the Mind Hax and Soul Hax does not have enough range: Extended Melee Range, a few hundred kilometers with projectiles

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

His clones can't do anything to this apparent passive Grave Scream.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

>Passive once activated.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Welp, I believe this is an incon.

 

[Elizhaa]

Is Grave Scream really city range because it the profile said: Extended Melee Range, a few hundred kilometers with projectiles

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Considering the episode linked above, the sound traveled cross multiple city blocks, if not the majority of the city.

 

[InfiniteSped]

I mean, if he kills Rimuru once, couldn't the real one just make him respawn outside of that range?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Likely true.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And then what?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

That is true, but Rimuru doesn't exactly have any ways to actually beat MPM

Like at all

The best he could do is try to beat him with ranged spam, and that probably won't even work.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Attack out of range, I guess?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Rimuru has more abilities that MPM doesn't have resistances to, though.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Doesn't Rimuru have a Low 2-C attack?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Suicide.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Can't he come back even if he dies though?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Unless Rimuru pulls something 11D out of his ass, he's not beating the reactive evo. What I mean by that is, against weaker abilities, Overwrite is reliable, unlike against shit like Yggdrasil, iirc.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also, MetalPhantomon has 5-D Mindhax as well and unlike most Digimon, he will actively use it if need be, along with 10-D Conceptual Erasure, not to mention things like Morality Manipulation, high speed duplication he inherits from Kuramon allowing him to make thousands of himself in mere moments, can travel across dimensions and open portals from other dimensions, Madness Manipulation, the ability to copy Rimuru's powers by observation, etc.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

They have 10D Reactive Evolution?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

He has the X-Antibody, but not 100% 10-D RE. Don't rely on it working to that level.

 

[Elizhaa]

That is true, but Rimuru doesn't exactly have any ways to actually beat MPM

Like at all

The best he could do is try to beat him with ranged spam, and that probably won't even work.

I mean Rimuru can win with Sealing

• Infinite Prison: The ability to seal targets for an eternity in an imaginary infinite space, the ability doesn't permit interference from the outside, and also doesn't weaken overtime.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can you even evolve towards Sealing?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also, just saying. If he kills a clone, MetalPhantomon will just absorb it and gain all of Rimuru's abilities at once.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can MPM absorb souls?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yes

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yeah, incon, leaning towards MPM.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Just saying, having multiple clones or avatars of yourself with your powers is a bad idea if the Digimon can exterminate the first clone/avatar immediately...

 

[Schnee_One]

Phantomon via using Grace scream

Rimuru instantly dies.

 

[Elizhaa]

Phantomon via using Grace scream
Rimuru instantly dies.

Rimuru still has Mid-Godly and Type 9 Immortality.