Revision of stats for Non-legendary Pokemon

[LordAizenSama]

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

18,000F can't melt steel beams...or small children, apparently.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

It's cool man. I know how it is.

 

[Northern_Wind00]

A lot of what is said about the creation trio is proven in their feats, but Mythology is mythology. I am what one might call a 'localized poketheist'. I believe each region's mythology applies to that region alone

But if we KNOW Arceus created and is superior to the creation trio, and we know the trio created the universe, why is there reason to doubt said mythology?

Because Hoenn has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Johto has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Unova has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Among others.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Woah .Where did this come from?

 

[WarriorWare]

A lot of what is said about the creation trio is proven in their feats, but Mythology is mythology. I am what one might call a 'localized poketheist'. I believe each region's mythology applies to that region alone

But if we KNOW Arceus created and is superior to the creation trio, and we know the trio created the universe, why is there reason to doubt said mythology?

Because Hoenn has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Johto has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Unova has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Among others.

So?

It's not like any other Pokemon is stated to have created the universe. If Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza's clashing doesn't concern Arceus, why would the mythology acknowledge him?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Because Hoenn has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Johto has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Unova has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Among others.

Yeah. The difference is the pokemon in those regions didn't actually create the universe. None of it involves the creation of the universe, either.

I think believing the things you saw have the power to create and destroy universes have a muuuch better shot at being the true reason for the universe's creation.

 

[Northern_Wind00]

It's not like any other Pokemon is stated to have created the universe. If Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza's clashing doesn't concern Arceus, why would the mythology acknowledge him?

Because the two mythologies clash. Supposedly Groudon and Kyogre created the Pokemon World. Supposedly Palkia and Dialga created the world.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Because the two mythologies clash. Supposedly Groudon and Kyogre created the Pokemon World. Supposedly Palkia and Dialga created the world.

Universe. Not the world. The world and the universe are very, very different things. Palkia and Dialga creating all time and space does not mean they are directly responsible for every action following its creation, which the creation of Earth would be.

 

[Northern_Wind00]

Universe. Not the world. The world and the universe are very, very different things. Palkia and Dialga creating all time and space does not mean they are directly responsible for every action following its creation, which the creation of Earth would be.

On the contrary, Sinnoh's actual mythology on the subject literally states that Palkia and Dialga made the Sinnoh region, which conflicts with the Hoenn canon.

 

[LordAizenSama]

^no it does not.

Diamond: It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.

Pearl: A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when DIALGA was born.

Platinum: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when DIALGA's heart beats.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Fun fact. The Age of the Earth is One third that of the Universe. They don't correlate kids.

 

[Northern_Wind00]

^no it does not.
Diamond: It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.

Pearl: A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when DIALGA was born.

Platinum: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when DIALGA's heart beats.

I'm not referring to pokedex entries, I'm referring to books in the library of pokemon myths in Sinnoh.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'm not referring to pokedex entries, I'm referring to books in the library of pokemon myths in Sinnoh.

Mythology written by people does not usurp the position of the events that mythology is based on. There's also the fact that just as in every region, they pretty much view themselves as most important, so "creating the Sinnoh region" likely comes right after "creating the universe", which we know for a fact Palkia and Dialga, who were made by Arceus, did.

 

[LordAizenSama]

^no it does not.
Diamond: It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.

Pearl: A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when DIALGA was born.

Platinum: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when DIALGA's heart beats.

I'm not referring to pokedex entries, I'm referring to books in the library of pokemon myths in Sinnoh.

you mind citing it than? because i couldn't find anything like what you described looking at this

 

[Northern_Wind00]

Mythology written by people does not usurp the position of the events that mythology is based on. There's also the fact that just as in every region, they pretty much view themselves as most important, so "creating the Sinnoh region" likely comes right after "creating the universe", which we know for a fact Palkia and Dialga, who were made by Arceus, did.

If'n ya say so. It just seems hilarious to me that they can be KO'd so easily then. I like to think that they are more of "pushing them in motion", than creating fully formed universes.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it

 

[LordAizenSama]

..@Northwind, that is game mechanics, and that is not accepted here. otherwise you will get stuff like universal magickarp for KOeing Arceus.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If'n ya say so. It just seems hilarious to me that they can be KO'd so easily then. I like to think that they are more of "pushing them in motion", than creating fully formed universes.

Because game mechanics. IIRC, the creation trio haven't been hit with the PIS stick nearly as bad as Arceus has, sometimes. We also directly see Palkia and Dialga creating a universe in the anime, and Arceus creates a new one in HG/SS, so there's that.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it

Hence why actual events in the canon come before myths created by humans.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it

Have you ever been grounded? Now your getting it.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Hence why actual events in the canon come before myths created by humans.

Yeah I'm fairly certain Pokemon plantinum explains everything well just the movies are kinda random though

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it

Have you ever been grounded? Now your getting it.

Lol K but weren't gonna head to bed though?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Guilty.

Just as soon as I watch that new deathbattle...


*Sees Greymon struggling to defeat Charizard*

• Closes Laptop*

Sleep sounds good.

 

[WarriorWare]

Once Agumon warp-digivolves into Wargreymon, it's portrayed as the stomp it actually is.

 

[Hyperception_2]

Once Agumon warp-digivolves into Wargreymon, it's portrayed as the stomp it actually is.

^

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

I've been wondering.....do we really need profiles for the human characters in Pokemon cosidering their stats mainly come from the pokemon they caught rather than their own?

 

[Antvasima]

I dunno. Anyway, I am in the middle of trying to revise the statistics as best as I am able.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I don't think having the characters as a profile are a bad thing, But we have profiles of separate pokemon exclusive to that trainer ( see ash's charizard ) and we really don't need it. But that can be sorted after the mass fixing

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Hey, Ant and Aizen. I found a feat that may help determines Zerkrom and Reshiram's striking/lifting strength. In Pokemon Black/White movie(I coudn't link to the actual movie, so please settle for this parody of cinema sins), at 9:03, Reshriam and Zerkrom were able to move a skyscrapper that is large enough to be seen in the outskirts of an island. I hope this helps.....

 

[Antvasima]

You can check the weight of a skyscraper, and then insert the strength category into the pages if you wish.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Ok, one more question, according to the pokedex entry for Regigigas, it towed continents with ropes but the size of those continents are unknown....would you consider this feat around Class T in lifting?

 

[Antvasima]

You can probably place it as "At least Class T+".

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

You can probably place it as "At least Class T+".

Ok, thank you.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

Ant, I notice how much you are struggling in maintaining the Pokemon profiles. I'll help out as much as I can by looking for feats in the pokemon media to scale the pokemon properly. I'll inform everybody, incase, powerscaling is involved.

 

[Antvasima]

I am finished with revising the Pokemon profiles now. I kept the statistics calculated from feats, as well as the power-scaling for characters that were created to be equal counterparts, and similar.

 

[Dino_Ranger_Black]

I am finished with revising the Pokemon profiles now. I kept the statistics calculated from feats, as well as the power-scaling for characters that were created to be equal counterparts, and similar.

Oh, my apologies. Thank you very much. I'll instead look for feats for the pokemon with unknown tiers such as Charizard. I found a video about the Mega Evolution special seeing Mega Charizard X fighting Primal Groudo He was able to slighty damage and take blows from Primal Groudon who was fighting Primal Kyorge. Both pokemon created large amount of lands as seen at 4:34 and explosions than can be see from a near by island at 1:45.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, you will probably have to ask for calculations from the OBD or similar to be sure how high that rates.

 

[Aparajita]

Word of God states that the Pokedex is the strictest form of canon, can we really ignore that, even if the Pokedex entries are haphazard at best?

 

[Antvasima]

If the statistics severely contradict everything shown elsewhere and would end up classifying lots of random Pokemon as 2-C, yes. But we do accept specific descriptions of their scale of power from the Pokedex.