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18,000F can't melt steel beams...or small children, apparently.LordAizenSama said:
Because Hoenn has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Johto has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Unova has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Among others.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:But if we KNOW Arceus created and is superior to the creation trio, and we know the trio created the universe, why is there reason to doubt said mythology?Northern Wind00 said:A lot of what is said about the creation trio is proven in their feats, but Mythology is mythology. I am what one might call a 'localized poketheist'. I believe each region's mythology applies to that region alone
So?Northern Wind00 said:Because Hoenn has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Johto has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Unova has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Among others.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:But if we KNOW Arceus created and is superior to the creation trio, and we know the trio created the universe, why is there reason to doubt said mythology?Northern Wind00 said:A lot of what is said about the creation trio is proven in their feats, but Mythology is mythology. I am what one might call a 'localized poketheist'. I believe each region's mythology applies to that region alone
Yeah. The difference is the pokemon in those regions didn't actually create the universe. None of it involves the creation of the universe, either.Northern Wind00 said:Because Hoenn has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Johto has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Because Unova has an entirely different mythology that does not once acknowledge these things. Among others.
Because the two mythologies clash. Supposedly Groudon and Kyogre created the Pokemon World. Supposedly Palkia and Dialga created the world.WarriorWare said:It's not like any other Pokemon is stated to have created the universe. If Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza's clashing doesn't concern Arceus, why would the mythology acknowledge him?
Universe. Not the world. The world and the universe are very, very different things. Palkia and Dialga creating all time and space does not mean they are directly responsible for every action following its creation, which the creation of Earth would be.Northern Wind00 said:Because the two mythologies clash. Supposedly Groudon and Kyogre created the Pokemon World. Supposedly Palkia and Dialga created the world.
On the contrary, Sinnoh's actual mythology on the subject literally states that Palkia and Dialga made the Sinnoh region, which conflicts with the Hoenn canon.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:Universe. Not the world. The world and the universe are very, very different things. Palkia and Dialga creating all time and space does not mean they are directly responsible for every action following its creation, which the creation of Earth would be.
I'm not referring to pokedex entries, I'm referring to books in the library of pokemon myths in Sinnoh.LordAizenSama said:^no it does not.
Diamond: It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.
Pearl: A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when DIALGA was born.
Platinum: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when DIALGA's heart beats.
Mythology written by people does not usurp the position of the events that mythology is based on. There's also the fact that just as in every region, they pretty much view themselves as most important, so "creating the Sinnoh region" likely comes right after "creating the universe", which we know for a fact Palkia and Dialga, who were made by Arceus, did.Northern Wind00 said:I'm not referring to pokedex entries, I'm referring to books in the library of pokemon myths in Sinnoh.
you mind citing it than? because i couldn't find anything like what you described looking at thisNorthern Wind00 said:I'm not referring to pokedex entries, I'm referring to books in the library of pokemon myths in Sinnoh.LordAizenSama said:^no it does not.
Diamond: It has the power to control time. It appears in Sinnoh-region myths as an ancient deity.
Pearl: A Pokémon spoken of in legend. It is said that time began moving when DIALGA was born.
Platinum: A legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh. It is said that time flows when DIALGA's heart beats.
If'n ya say so. It just seems hilarious to me that they can be KO'd so easily then. I like to think that they are more of "pushing them in motion", than creating fully formed universes.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:Mythology written by people does not usurp the position of the events that mythology is based on. There's also the fact that just as in every region, they pretty much view themselves as most important, so "creating the Sinnoh region" likely comes right after "creating the universe", which we know for a fact Palkia and Dialga, who were made by Arceus, did.
Because game mechanics. IIRC, the creation trio haven't been hit with the PIS stick nearly as bad as Arceus has, sometimes. We also directly see Palkia and Dialga creating a universe in the anime, and Arceus creates a new one in HG/SS, so there's that.Northern Wind00 said:If'n ya say so. It just seems hilarious to me that they can be KO'd so easily then. I like to think that they are more of "pushing them in motion", than creating fully formed universes.
Hence why actual events in the canon come before myths created by humans.CHILLVIBEZZ said:Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it
Have you ever been grounded? Now your getting it.CHILLVIBEZZ said:Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it
Lol K but weren't gonna head to bed though?TheMightyRegulator said:Have you ever been grounded? Now your getting it.CHILLVIBEZZ said:Pokemon has too many versions of mythology I mean one says that Arceus banished Giratina to the anti matter realm while another says that Giratina created it
^WarriorWare said:Once Agumon warp-digivolves into Wargreymon, it's portrayed as the stomp it actually is.
Ok, thank you.Antvasima said:You can probably place it as "At least Class T+".
Oh, my apologies. Thank you very much. I'll instead look for feats for the pokemon with unknown tiers such as Charizard. I found a video about the Mega Evolution special seeing Mega Charizard X fighting Primal Groudo He was able to slighty damage and take blows from Primal Groudon who was fighting Primal Kyorge. Both pokemon created large amount of lands as seen at 4:34 and explosions than can be see from a near by island at 1:45.Antvasima said:I am finished with revising the Pokemon profiles now. I kept the statistics calculated from feats, as well as the power-scaling for characters that were created to be equal counterparts, and similar.