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REVERSE FLASH REBIRTH PAGE CREATION CRT.

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I keep trying to explain to you that our standards for this do not allow specialised one-trick ponies with a single feat of Supergenius level, and nearly no other futuristic technology feats whatsoever, much less a wide variety of them, to get this rating as a certainty, and we are not going to change our standards on your say-so. That is all.

At least Extraordinary Genius is probably fine though.
 
How about his creation of the greatest prison in the DC multiverse in the 25th century. The greatest prison should be the phantom zone which is also teir 1 and used by the house of El. So him stated to have created an even greater one should grant Supergenius also or likely Supergenius.
 
Antvasima said:
I keep trying to explain to you that our standards for this do not allow specialised one-trick ponies with a single feat of Supergenius level, and nearly no other futuristic technology feats whatsoever, much less a wide variety of them, to get this rating as a certainty, and we are not going to change our standards on your say-so. That is all.

At least Extraordinary Genius is probably fine though.
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Nearly no other? Damn, guess Thanwe creating an inter dimensional portal, literally basing of his backstory off taking the speed force from Barry's suit, his insane cosmic knowledge based on how he made Barry create the Flashpoint, all don't count
 
Ant, you've been blatantly ignoring all the other feats you were given and keep stubbornly refusing to accept the fact that you don't know the character and aren't doing any good here, just holding the thread back and frustrating everyone
 
Teezar said:
How about his creation of the greatest prison in the DC multiverse in the 25th century. The greatest prison should be the phantom zone which is also teir 1 and used by the house of El. So him stated to have created an even greater one should grant Supergenius also or likely Supergenius.
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Unless it was directly compared with the Phantom Zone, we can only scale the prison based on what we know of it.
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Nearly no other? Damn, guess Thanwe creating an inter dimensional portal, literally basing of his backstory off taking the speed force from Barry's suit, his insane cosmic knowledge based on how he made Barry create the Flashpoint, all don't count
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An interdimensional portal is just mid-level Extraordinary Genius at best. The Flashpoint reboot was a chain reaction from regular time travel, and later retconned into being caused by first Pandora and then Doctor Manhattan.
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Ant, you've been blatantly ignoring all the other feats you were given and keep stubbornly refusing to accept the fact that you don't know the character and aren't doing any good here, just holding the thread back and frustrating everyone
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I know our strict requirements for Supergenius very well. It is your job to show me sufficiently good evidence for certain Supergenius intelligence which I have not seen so far.
 
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Unless it was directly compared with the Phantom Zone, we can only scale the prison based on what we know of it.
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The renegades called it the greatest prison in the Multiverse in the 25th century so yeah that statement should be enough it scales above the phantom zone if there is a higher prison in dc I don't know of then it should also scale above that but the phantom zone is the greatest prison I know and used by the house of EL.
 
Were we shown any extraordinary futuristic qualities of that prison?
 
I don't think a statement like that is enough. There are too many unknown factors. Plus we don't know the applications of the prison last I checked.
 
Antvasima said:
Were we shown any extraordinary futuristic qualities of that prison?
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Nothing just stated to be the greatest prison in the Multiverse.
Confluctor said:
I don't think a statement like that is enough. There are too many unknown factors. Plus we don't know the applications of the prison last I checked.
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Application of the prison how? We already have a legit statement its the greatest prison in the Multiverse in the 25th century.
 
That's just a throwaway Statement. Also does the person know about Phantom Zone? Have they studied it? Also Phantom Zone is an exclusive prison for most parts. In addition, we need application of the prison. What it can do, what weapons it has, what kind of creatures and people it contains, etc, etc.

Now don't get me wrong ,I am not THAT against Supergenius rating for Eobard but this reasoning is terribly weak.
 
I said this can be supporting evidence and its from a yellow lantern so they would obviously know. What it can? What a prison used for?
Why would a prison have weapon and should all prison have weapons? Its stated to have only one inhabitant.
 
A random yellow lantern's words shouldn't be taken at face value.


Again, I am not against Super genius rating as I mentioned previously, I just think this part of the evidence is hella weak and has no basis.
 
Confluctor said:
A random yellow lantern's words shouldn't be taken at face value.
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She isn't just a random yellow lantern her named was mentioned when she came from the 25th century to take iris away. And lanterns basically know almost everything about the universe so she must know about the phantom zone besides I'm only using it as a supporting feat.
 
You might be right about that. That's why I dropped this and another above.

Though to make I thread go further I will agree for now but I will return and I also wanna do a thread on hunter zolomon.
 
Again, we don't have enough varied evidence for a certain Supergenius rating. All that you are allowed to give him is "At least Extraordinary Genius".
 
Teezar said:
I think I'm gonna remove I due to it being new 52 but Eobard Thawne hasn't been retconned or whatever.
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Last I checked his speed should still work like that, so Eficiente’s right. But as I suggested you should also elaborate on the scaling chain of his time manipulation, or else everyone with time stop resistance will end up blitzing Thawne.
 
He doesn't slow others speed in rebirth while boosting his. It's only shown in New 52. And Barry was faster than him there but not in rebirth even without the ability his believed ajd constantly stated to he faster than wally and Barry.
 
Teezar said:
Actually I disagree with this Reverse flash has is shown to have acasuality type 1 and I'm sure you of all people should know this and will send a scan for it.
And what in context he was saying was Either he has no future or past as a living Paradox (debunked) or he isn't affected by changes in the past or future.
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I do agree that he likely has the power, just not from the evidence shown.
He's not saying neither of those things, he's like someone who thought they were doing something in the past but turns out they weren't and say "I have no past", or imagined they would be doing something in the future, couldn't, and say "I have no future", they're just being dramatic, poetic, inaccurate and not caring for how they view their past and/or future.
Teezar said:
So I should leave it that way? Anyways I will add the scans to the OP as you've asked so you can easily find them.
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Well, it's not crear enough for anyone to understand how and why it's dimensional travel on its own, but f*ck it we can just link the image at the start and then leave the rest unlinked so that somebody else may link the rest of the evidence needed for it in the future.
Teezar said:
True, but you do know this qualifies for retrocognition. All the one's you mentioned don't qualify the Extraordinary perception and clairvoyance but retrocognition fits it better.
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I don't even think that's the case, he can't just see the past at will, just his own memories of past lives in the timeline whether it be an alt. past or future, the info he can gain is very specific and tied not to the ability to see the past, it's clearly our badly worded Extraordinary Perception that makes you feel/know everything that aren't human senses. It's not clairvoyance as that has the info come in as images in something, here it's memory coming to his mind.
Teezar said:
So reality Alteration via time travel?
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No, I meant that he just time travels.
Teezar said:
I think this is the only one which can grant it due to it corrupting barry and turning him into the Negative Flash .
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Yes, and it is correct, but again, the evidence should be better.
Teezar said:
Him getting affected doesn't mean he didn't resist them though.
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It needs to be proven that he resisted them, those images don't show that.
Teezar said:
Shouldn't you make a CRT on that first?
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Not really, the tier of the feat is on the event that could happen and their durability doesn't scale (the character who had the feat was even going to die from this), so it's pretty self-evident.
Teezar said:
It's stated to be more destructive than the speed force and it consumes the speed force just like a cancer and almost eat it away till barry turned up the high gear in rebirth.

But I believe the weaker one here should be speed force due NSF stated to be more destructive than it. Besides wherever there's a positive we will always have a Negative.
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That is fitting to how it screws up targets in it, it doesn't need to mean that it's more powerful, otherwise why wasn't it pointed out on the major forces that do stuff in the universe? Saying the Speed Force is like saying the Force or the Green; you could refer to all of it, or not all of it but in general in a vague way, or the bit of it that powers a user, here I'm pretty sure it means Barry's Speed Force, the much of it he has with him and his connection to it.

You can have a positive and a negative version that isn't as powerful but still alike due to the abilities it has and goals/uses given to it.
Teezar said:
100% time travel mix with combat should grant immeasurable speed as they legit were hit each other through time. (Tho Negative Flash was the one pushing them through time at first but Reverse flash later adapted and started reacting to his hits and keeping up to him especially as it's stated he was one with the Negative Speed Force).
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Immeasurable speed is infinite speed to go at any space and time, they had a limited speed in space and mixed that up with moving to other points in time, ie Time Travel, that is not immeasurable speed at all, just an impressive display of time travel, which in turn makes sense that fiction relates it to moving fast, but yet "moving fast"=/=Immeasurable speed.
Teezar said:
He has more but will add to the OP.
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Ok, please have it at the bottom.
 
Eficiente said:
I do agree that he likely has the power, just not from the evidence shown.
He's not saying neither of those things, he's like someone who thought they were doing something in the past but turns out they weren't and say "I have no past", or imagined they would be doing something in the future, couldn't, and say "I have no future", they're just being dramatic, poetic, inaccurate and not caring for how they view their past and/or future.

Well, it's not crear enough for anyone to understand how and why it's dimensional travel on its own, but f*ck it we can just link the image at the start and then leave the rest unlinked so that somebody else may link the rest of the evidence needed for it in the future.

I don't even think that's the case, he can't just see the past at will, just his own memories of past lives in the timeline whether it be an alt. past or future, the info he can gain is very specific and tied not to the ability to see the past, it's clearly our badly worded Extraordinary Perception that makes you feel/know everything that aren't human senses. It's not clairvoyance as that has the info come in as images in something, here it's memory coming to his mind.

No, I meant that he just time travels.

Yes, and it is correct, but again, the evidence should be better.

It needs to be proven that he resisted them, those images don't show that.

Not really, the tier of the feat is on the event that could happen and their durability doesn't scale (the character who had the feat was even going to die from this), so it's pretty self-evident.

That is fitting to how it screws up targets in it, it doesn't need to mean that it's more powerful, otherwise why wasn't it pointed out on the major forces that do stuff in the universe? Saying the Speed Force is like saying the Force or the Green; you could refer to all of it, or not all of it but in general in a vague way, or the bit of it that powers a user, here I'm pretty sure it means Barry's Speed Force, the much of it he has with him and his connection to it.

You can have a positive and a negative version that isn't as powerful but still alike due to the abilities it has and goals/uses given to it.

Immeasurable speed is infinite speed to go at any space and time, they had a limited speed in space and mixed that up with moving to other points in time, ie Time Travel, that is not immeasurable speed at all, just an impressive display of time travel, which in turn makes sense that fiction relates it to moving fast, but yet "moving fast"=/=Immeasurable speed.

Ok, please have it at the bottom.
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I've given up on this thread you guys can do what you want but I prefer this thread deleted.
 
Having it deleted is a strong choice, I am not proud of many old works I had and made many of them be deleted, but this was aiming to help out the creation a of new profile and time was put into it to evaluate it, with some disagreement, yes, but no antagonism meant, it should preferably correspond to use what was agreed on to create the profile.

Unless you meant having the thread closed/locked.
 
If I have understood correctly, we can still perform several useful revisions based on this thread, even if not everything was agreed with.
 
You can do as you please I'm unwatching this thread and let no one tag me again here please.
 
Teezar said:
Barry used what ability in rebirth?
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I'm still not sure eobard should get his ability to slow down time but that's what he's referring to
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the white aura was temporary btw, maybe a sign of power up or something, he was back to normal some pages later
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source: flash (2011) #47
I think eobard should keep his abilities unless they are directly contradicted as some things were still shown to change
 
Is somebody else who knows how to edit properly willing to apply what has been accepted here?
 
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