Yeah, just like I trought.
Normally Resistance Negation is based on an attack that bypasses resistances, not directly removing someone's resistances from them. But if someone did have the ability to remove resistance from a person, then yes, even someone who can resist the temperature of the sun would be burned by fire.
Ok so would like Akainu who has resistance negation can negate Lille barro's resistance to high temperature of the sun? To the point Lille dies to Akainu's heat of magma
It's in the Haki section https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Haki#Types_of_Haki
It's not so complex, looking at it plainly will always show what wins. Resistance < Negation < Resistance to Negation < Negation of Resistance to Negation, and so on.
It's not really explained in detail on the page, so I can't really say. Resistance Negation is a bit case by case. Just because you can bypass someone's resistance to blunt-force attacks, doesn't mean you can bypass another person's Conceptual Resistances.
Hmm, does this mean that if this is repeated enough times, no one will be able to resist the hax? The type capable of destroying everyone who isn't from a higher dimension? Hmmm... This means that the OCs I created as a child are capable of doing some serious damage
Well back to the original question. Could Akainu negate someone's resist to high temperature like perhaps as hot as the sun? He can resist negate someone's temperature to magma level however
Depends on where the resistance comes from. For example, bypassing someone's Resistance to something by negating their Devil Fruit's power is different than bypassing something that is physically structured to survive extreme temperatures.
Hm so could Akainu negate Lille's resists? Lille gain his resists of temperature by activating his blunt
I guess if that's how the Haki works.
"Devil Fruit abilities (Buso Haki has been stated to be able to block devil fruit abilities,[57] seen when Doflamingo blocked Trafalgar Law's Amputate[58] and when Trafalgar Law stated that his Shambles ability would not work against those with superior Buso to him[59])
So resist negate in OP is limited?
No? It just works based on the mechanics it shown to and effects things it's shown to (or similar things, within reason)?
Haki also grants the ability to negate heat resistances. Ace did it to Whitebeard. The question is that since Haki has shown the ability to negate heat resistances, would it be able to negate the resistance of someone who can resist temperatures as high as the sun.
Except it doesn't as I've explained in the thread, Ace's haki negated Whitebeard's natural resistance. I don't know why you're blatantly ignoring this.
You explained very, very, very badly, dipped upon being asked, and the sources on the page don't elaborate and in fact say the opposite.
I dipped upon you saying that the ability does not exist after I told you it does. I did not explain badly. Ace's haki negated Whitebeard's natural resistance and burned his hand when before his haki training he was unable to. His flames did not get hotter as it was only his haki that was stated to have gotten stronger and it was his haki that was emphasized.
Simply saying thing and then being asked for citation isn't explaining.
Failure to like, actually elaborate, explain why, not even give source when asked is pretty bad.
That is cool. That doesn't actually answer the question.
That is cool. That does not answer the question.
Because he was not using Buso?? It was his bare hand. After training in Haki with specifically focusing on Buso, he was able to negate the natural resistance of Whitebeard's hand, and then it eventually grew even stronger to where Ace's Buso-coated flames could stop Whitebeard's movements and forced him to use his own Buso to resist them.
Literally what? Nowhere, in any of that, does it implicate resistance negation by negating a natural resistance.
His Haki was explicitly the reason why his flames burned Whitebeard. Strength has nothing to do with the attacks capability to burn.
The page covers the fact he was training multiple things, including his flames. From what I'm actually seeing reading them, he just trained in all facets and got stronger? "Explicitly" doesn't work when the page where he barely scorches his hand, mentions at least 3-4 training sequences
Thatch quite literally said that Ace was focusing too much on Buso and that he needed to train his Kenbun more:The page covers the fact he was training multiple things, including his flames. From what I'm actually seeing reading them, he just trained in all facets and got stronger? "Explicitly" doesn't work when the page where he barely scorches his hand, mentions at least 3-4 training sequences
I'm going to also ignore the fact that we've been arguing about res neg that negs resistance to the point it like, is essentially negligible? If Ace actually negated the resistance he'd have been evaporated. Going to ignore the fact that's the type of shit we slap "minor" on.
I'm also gonna ignore how this isn't cited as res neg on the profiles, and how the profiles somehwat contradict that line of thinking but whatever.
In that exact same page, it also callsback to training his flame control, and two other points that factor into that instance, at least.
It literally isn't cited from I can see at all on the Resistance Negation section of the Haki profile. Not only that, it isn't cited as res neg on Ace's profile either.
Well, I literally am? I don't think the evidence is sufficient to say it concretely, especially as it'd be so utterly negligible an instance I wouldn't even call it res neg to begin with, it'd be an extreme "minor" if he DID do it solely based on buso, and solely on Whitebeard's own innate one. All while all our profiles don't actually elaborate on that and eevn seemingly give contradictory explanations?
I'm answering @Johner2133451's question. Haki negates heat resistance, meaning that he can negate Lille's resistance, as @ActuallySpaceMan42 also said.
Flame control ≠ Flame temperature. Ace has never shown that his flames became hotter.
I mean sure, but honestly, these discussion should be in a CRT
He didn't even negate Whitebeard's properly, if he negated it completely, he'd have been vaporized.
Except here given that's a pretty blatant interpretation that can be taken and the fact such a thing was factored into that very scene means buso sparks wasn't the sole reason why he managed to get Whitebeard to respond properly as if it WAS the case, then even talking about how he trained his flames in anyway at all would be actively detrimental to the scene and cause active confusion and be misleading.
Which is why he used his Devil Fruit to knock Ace away before it became an issue. His entire hand was completely scorched for the short amount of time Ace's Haki came into contact with Whitebeard.
My guy, his training regarding his flames particularly was to use them to accelerate his feet so that he can hit harder and pairing it together with his Kenbun Haki to confuse Whitebeard. He trained those two and then he trained his Buso on top of that. Those were the only trainings that were pointed out. Any claim that he trained the heat of his flames is headcanon.
