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Neutral, leaning towards disagreeing tho
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Removing Black Hole from Garou
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Lighting and Light from Radation is escaping out of Garou's dark sphere
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It’d be best to give reasons why you’re leaning, as long as it’s not an fra train
“Every citizen shall have right to a fair content revision trial, and a verse supporter will be provided by the state if one cannot be afforded by the defendant”
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Disagree with this CRT for all of the reasons posted above.
1. I don't care about your other verse. If you're upset it isn't considered a real black hole in that verse, go make a CRT for THAT VERSE.
2. There isn't any light escaping the black hole. And the "burst" that appears to be shooting out from both sides occurs in real life Gamma Ray Bursts as well. There are no contradictions.
1. I don't care about your other verse. If you're upset it isn't considered a real black hole in that verse, go make a CRT for THAT VERSE.
2. There isn't any light escaping the black hole. And the "burst" that appears to be shooting out from both sides occurs in real life Gamma Ray Bursts as well. There are no contradictions.
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That's the Relativistic Jets... This is what you were talking about all this time? Are you kidding me????
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Because the counter arguments are convincing but not convincing enough for me to pick a side
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There is no light escaping from it, nor is there electricity. Did you even read the thread?
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Because the counter arguments are convincing but not convincing enough for me to pick a side
….Fair enough
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Cause Lighting would be sucked in a straight line due to a Black Hole's gravitation, not all over the place as lightning does coming out of something.And how do you know that it’s not just being sucked in
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I disagree with the OP.
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The page mentions why
Garou's black hole does not have that issue.
Its more than that
- Garou is given cosmic knowledge of the entire universe and all the forces that came within it
- The third person narration directly stated it was a real black hole
- It sucks in things along with firing out the Gamma Rays
That's actually not light. Nothing pierces the sphere. What you are seeing are the jets of radiation/mass that a real GRB has due to how the black hole shunts out extra material.
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What lightning
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They're talking about this panel. You can see electricity surround the sphere, but its then absorbed by the black hole by the next panel.
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I'm pretty sure that's radiation.
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Disagree with the OP.
The manga's representation of a black hole causing a GRB event is an accurate representation of a real-life event. Contents that escape from said black hole is also something that happens in our world. Not even bringing up the fact that the narration took the time to explain what such an event is and further the point that it is real.
The manga's representation of a black hole causing a GRB event is an accurate representation of a real-life event. Contents that escape from said black hole is also something that happens in our world. Not even bringing up the fact that the narration took the time to explain what such an event is and further the point that it is real.
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Alrighty. What about the Lightning then? Does Radiation give off Lightning effects coming out from a Black Hole?
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Ok first of all it’s just moving a bit sideways it could still be getting sucked in, maybe the black hole is just a bit rough considering how small it is
Secondly, completely inconsistent detail with the panel that follows immediately after, so not even valid
Third, it’s a petty ass detail and is probably just an artistic error
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Oh I see
The logic is that Garou’s knowledge should be sufficient enough to create a black hole. Although I don’t have a problem with that logic. Is that really allowed? Maybe…
But what I do know is that Garou has not created a real black hole.
A real black hole does not “suck up” people outside the event horizon. A real black hole does not glow or allow light to escapeunless it’s in form of hawkins radiation as clearly shown by the GRB and it should only be the GRB (I can’t remember if hawkins radiation produces light) etc.
i never know our black hole creation rating was strictly for real black holes. Because we have given the rating for far less than what Garou can do as long as it “sucks up stuff”
The logic is that Garou’s knowledge should be sufficient enough to create a black hole. Although I don’t have a problem with that logic. Is that really allowed? Maybe…
But what I do know is that Garou has not created a real black hole.
A real black hole does not “suck up” people outside the event horizon. A real black hole does not glow or allow light to escape
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It's the Relativistic Jets. I'm surprised you didn't know that considering you took the time to make this CRT.
Astrophysical jet - Wikipedia
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The Black Hole is not glowing nor is there any light that is escaping.
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Why is lightning zig zagged?
Lightning is in a zig-zag shape because it follows the path of least resistance. Lightning is created when the buildup in electrical charge is enough to create a channel between the two opposite-charged particles. In the moment when these two charges connect, a bolt of lightning is created.
Gravity from the Black Hole's suction has the most least resistance possible
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Radiation doesn't move so erratically at such (comparatively) small distances.
Waves like that are generated during a supernova and then reabsorbed by the Black Hole if if they don't get enough distance in time.
What? The event horizon is the point where light can no longer escape from the Black Hole. It has nothing to do with its limitation of gravity. An Earth sized black hole is only a couple millimeters in diameter iirc and Garou's one is much bigger than that.
The beams are just the jets. The bubbles in them I couldn't explain other than artistic effect, but they're meant to represent the GRB jets.
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You do realize that we have observed Black Holes with rings of Light, and that Gamma Ray Bursts are often very luminous phenomenon?
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I think you’re misunderstanding something
Nobody’s arguing that sucking things up matters here, and the fact that it’s very explicitly made clear by statements is just supporting evidence
really the point of this is that the op’s points aren’t valid, and in the absence of contradictory information then the statement trump over it, the fact that it is nearly 1:1 with what an actual GRB is just icing on the cake, and the fact that all the things claimed to be issues go away in the second panel is just a cherry on top.
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It's not logic, it's factual. Again, he uses nuclear fission right before the GRB, giving credence to the knowledge of all energy/forces in the universe. Also again, Murata clearly tried his best to let people know it was a legit GRB. You can't dismiss that with lighting which has been debunked by people in this thread anyway as Astrophysical Jet. In the next full panel, it looks exactly like a GRB as well.
I don't understand why this thread is a thing...
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Yes, I dare say it’s akin to that anime effect where 2 people flashing heads and angry at eachother make “lighting” on their heads
it’s quite literally such a tiny and minuscule detail that took barely any time to draw in, that it’s at best just an art inconsistency or special effect.
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Actually I wonder if gravity is present outside the event horizon
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I'm seeing a lot of ignoring arguments brought up against the OP by the OP and others agreeing, so I disagree. There's a lot of comments that have just been brushed over or points that weren't addressed and were instead countered with a Ctrl+V of a previous argument, which, obviously, I'm not going to support. Address the counterarguments, don't just brush over them and use dogma when people are giving genuine reasons for the things you're claiming break the standards.
Additionally, a lot of the counterarguments used to say the debunks are wrong are either copy pastes or have been countered already.
Additionally, a lot of the counterarguments used to say the debunks are wrong are either copy pastes or have been countered already.
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You see it sucking people, water and air in the two page spread.
If you want a proper explanation here's NASA:
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Well, fair enough then from me. I made a mistake of letting Kachon's attuduite get the better of me.
There is, while I would question why the planet wasn't further destroyed, its not my issue.
@Qawsedf234 Would you be willing to discuss with @Gilad_Hyperstar later? He might be learning Black Holes and it'd likely be good if you two spent time discussing things. He let me know he went to sleep and this thread doesn't need to continue for much longer.
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So , I have been made aware an ability of Garou's slipped in past the Wiki's standards. Black Hole creation.
(I'm aware I'm coming from a Vs Debating thread, but I've been told by OPM supporters there, that if I disagree with Garou's Black Hole creation, make a CRT)
Firstly, I want to link a profile that the wiki does not acknowledge as a Black Hole by the Wiki's standards for comparison.
Black Hole (Battle for Dream Island)
Black Hole is a contestant from the Battle for Dream Island series, debuting as a contestant during the fourth season, Battle for BFDI. He is a humble, living black hole who originally was the size of Earth only to have his body crushed down to a smaller size by Four. Even though Black Hole is...vsbattles.fandom.com
Secondly, as far as I can see, the justification is that it looks black and round and gives off Radiation.
But Lightning and Light from Radiation is shown escape the black sphere in those panels, which is impossible if it were to be a Black Hole.
Black Holes
To quote from Wikipedia: "A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term "Black Hole" comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic...
"Black holes in fiction are some of the trickiest things to analyze, because it is often difficult to determine if it is a "real" black hole, or just some kind of black hole-ish void. Since black holes in fiction rarely conform to the actual physical properties of their real-life counterparts, this is usually a problem."
As such, removing the Black Hole from Garou's profile.
"This event where a huge amount of energy explodes at near lightspeed contains, shocker, energy escaping from the epicenter"
This is a Black Hole in formation, the same happens in a real life GRB
You're countering nothing.
This is ridiculous, I disagree.
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That's gravity knuckle. Not a Black Hole.Oh I was thinking about this when I said that
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Oh, didn't see thatOh I was thinking about this when I said that
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here’s an argument buddy
1. A still image where there’s no clear movement is not evidence of light escaping when it can just as easily be argued as light entering, it’s physically impossible to know just based off this one panel alone
2. The light there is quite literally how gamma ray burst look like in real life. If you’ve gotta problem with it then talk to Albert Einstein or something.
3. The “lighting” isn’t even there in the short from farther away, which would be more accurate to a bystander view to begin with.
And bonus
4. Statements of it being a gamma ray burst, it being black, it looking like a hole, and because I said so
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