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Removing Bill's resistances and unjustified abilities
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Bump.
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Just pointing this out but in his powers and abilities section under "Full Power" Bill has Law Manipulation written twice.
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So uh, have we come to a full agreement? Cause I don't see any other counter argument against removal of Bill's other abilities.
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so what's been decided on removal? Just to sum it up for memory refreshing.
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Removal of Acausality Type 4, and Resistance to Time Manipulation
Possible Removal of Quantum Manipulation and Higher Dimensional Manipulation.
Possible Removal of Quantum Manipulation and Higher Dimensional Manipulation.
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Time resistance was already removed. Mind resistance was changed to just madness resistance.
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Also:
Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation
This should be changed to Would eventually have Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation?
Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation
This should be changed to Would eventually have Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation?
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@GiverOfThePeace
Responding to your first comment after mine, I've yet to see Bill do something that'll confirm he can harm beings on a higher level of existence than him. Quantum Manipulation seems like just from spoken dialogue without much context behind it, unless someone wants to bring up proof for it.
Responding to next comment...."claims that he'll rewrite "the rules" once he reaches his goal".....yea no, this is again just "oral context"
Responding to your first comment after mine, I've yet to see Bill do something that'll confirm he can harm beings on a higher level of existence than him. Quantum Manipulation seems like just from spoken dialogue without much context behind it, unless someone wants to bring up proof for it.
Responding to next comment...."claims that he'll rewrite "the rules" once he reaches his goal".....yea no, this is again just "oral context"
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So should I add possible removal of Causality Manip, Physics Manip, & Law Manip?
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yes please do, unless, like I said before, someone brings solid discernable evidence that he can do it. I think he keeps Law Manipulation, but ShadowWarrior told me that it wasn't battle-appliable.GiverOfThePeace said:
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It's not combat applicable. Law manipulation is just Bill saying he would remove the laws of reality.
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Also what's his reasoning exactly for Low Godly Regenerationn? Cause I'm pretty sure gaining a form does not suddenly mean you can regenerate from your soul/conciousness in that form. It'd be like giving anyone with pariticle/molecule based teleportation Regenerationn since they can reform themself after they teleport.
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oh whelp, then yea, just remove it entirely or put "possibly Law Manipulation" at best (even suggesting the latter is REALLY pushing it).ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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There was a scene from the show where he fully regenerated from his previous physical body being destroyed, so that's actual evidence. Idk if it's something he can rely on constantly, though.GiverOfThePeace said:
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Shouldn't we use that scan instead then? The current Low Godly one is confusing.
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Bill should keep Causality Manip, Physics Manip, & Law Manip, he literally stated that he could do it once he reaches his goal
" I ASK YOU WHY SHOULD TIME ONLY MOVE FORWARD WHY MUST CAUSE PRECEDE EFFECT WHO VOTED ON THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ; RULES ARE PERVERSIONS AGAINST ALL WILL THATS WHY IM ABOUT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SYSTEM BUDDY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME"
I belive this quote is also on the journal as well
" I ASK YOU WHY SHOULD TIME ONLY MOVE FORWARD WHY MUST CAUSE PRECEDE EFFECT WHO VOTED ON THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ; RULES ARE PERVERSIONS AGAINST ALL WILL THATS WHY IM ABOUT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SYSTEM BUDDY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME"
I belive this quote is also on the journal as well
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GiverOfThePeace said:
Gravity Falls Bill Cipher gains physical form
Here's the video for the Low Godly regen claim.
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That's the video I was talking about earlier: " Cause I'm pretty sure gaining a form does not suddenly mean you can regenerate from your soul/conciousness in that form. It'd be like giving anyone with pariticle/molecule based teleportation Regenerationn since they can reform themself after they teleport."
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at best, if kept, it'll be listed as "will eventually have (blank), (blank), and (blank)". Even then, making those combat-applicable is...well....dicey.JooCipher said:
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I'm looking at Regenerationn profile, and I'll just say that based on just looking at the video alone, the feat seems more like High regen instead of Low Godly. For it to be Low Godly seems to be based off what Bill said at the end, imo.GiverOfThePeace said:
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I would have no problem with listing it as "would eventually have."
Either way not combat applicable.
Either way not combat applicable.
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We will inevitably have to remind people about that part constantly in future Bill matches, though, if it comes down to thatShadowWarrior1999 said:
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Causality Manipulation also scaled from Time Baby's powers.
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At least no one uses "Bill via precog" as an argument anymore lol.
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I don't see a reason why he should have it if Time Baby has it.
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His Regenerationn could have been based on this scene where his physical body become physical when he leave it is petrified and normal when he came back. It also stated only a hit on his body center would works.
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Ford Pines also stated he was a non-corporeal entity. I think it shown credence to his Bill's statement.JooCipher said:
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Yea, just because he OHKOed Time Baby doesn't necessarily mean he automatically has it and can use it as well or better than Time Baby. Now if he actually created Time Baby, the same way how Arceus has Memory Manipulation because it's upscaled from something he created (Uxie), then we'd apply it, no argument.Ogbunabali said:
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We're not denying his non-corporeal existence here, though. He's displayed physical evidence without needing an actual statement.Elizhaa said:
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He stated after Time Baby,is going he control time as well. Time Baby's Time abilities casually gave Causality Manipulation from his Time Wish.Dragopentling said:
The statement is from Bill Cipher's reddit profile which the author of Gravity Falls managed. Ex:
Account: https://www.reddit.com/user/_BILLCIPHER
- This subreddit is dedicated to the Disney XD cartoon Gravity Falls, created by Alex Hirsch.
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Why is it even Regenerationn? He's just gaining a physical form due to entering through the real world.Dragopentling said:
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How is that Regenerationn...?Elizhaa said:
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So now you're saying he has Causality Manipulation already instead of just "eventually gets (blank)"?Elizhaa said:
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Causality Manipulation is not contradicted by the story since it would be scaled to Time Baby's. Two, the reddit is managed by the author since the Reddit is pretty much closed to Author Statements, or Option 5.
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