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Removing Bill's resistances and unjustified abilities

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"I EXIST IN A STATE OF QUANTUM UNCERTAINTY! THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING I AM, I'M ALSO NOT! IT ALSO MEANS THAT YOUR CAT IS DEAD! BLAME SCHRODINGER! HE'S A LOUSY PET SITTER!

ABSOLUTELY! DRAW ME ON YOUR HAND AND THEN SHAKE HANDS WITH YOURSELF! YOU'LL CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES BUT YOU'LL OWE ME A FAVOR DOWN THE ROAD!"

This doesn't sound like anything more than Bill's insane ravings. If even a fraction of this was true none of the plot of Gravity Falls would've happened.
 
I consider Bill getting sprayed and not telling the stans apart as PIS

Bill getting surprised is acceptable
 
Ogbunabali said:
"I EXIST IN A STATE OF QUANTUM UNCERTAINTY! THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING I AM, I'M ALSO NOT! IT ALSO MEANS THAT YOUR CAT IS DEAD! BLAME SCHRODINGER! HE'S A LOUSY PET SITTER!

ABSOLUTELY! DRAW ME ON YOUR HAND AND THEN SHAKE HANDS WITH YOURSELF! YOU'LL CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES BUT YOU'LL OWE ME A FAVOR DOWN THE ROAD!"

This doesn't sound like anything more than Bill's insane ravings. If even a fraction of this was true none of the plot of Gravity Falls would've happened.
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I'm pretty sure Bill should be aware about his state of existence
 
Ogbunabali said:
"I EXIST IN A STATE OF QUANTUM UNCERTAINTY! THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING I AM, I'M ALSO NOT! IT ALSO MEANS THAT YOUR CAT IS DEAD! BLAME SCHRODINGER! HE'S A LOUSY PET SITTER!

ABSOLUTELY! DRAW ME ON YOUR HAND AND THEN SHAKE HANDS WITH YOURSELF! YOU'LL CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES BUT YOU'LL OWE ME A FAVOR DOWN THE ROAD!"

This doesn't sound like anything more than Bill's insane ravings. If even a fraction of this was true none of the plot of Gravity Falls would've happened.
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This^
 
The real cal howard said:
I love how the argument for not having him be Immeasurable was that transcending time could be interpreted as time resistance only to go around and make a thread for time resistance removal.
If you're going to remove time resistance then Bill is immeasurable. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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@Maverick ^He's here.
 
Stan cursing, Preston getting his face messed up by Bill, lumberjack dies and becomes a ghost after being hit in the head with an axe, etc.
 
Oh. That was used in justification for acausality when it has nothing to do with acausality. Now that I think about it, quantum manipulation might have to go too as it does sound like a bunch of rambling nonsense.
 
Most of the things Bill said should possibly be removed unless they have weight behind it (I.E. another character supports it/it's actually done/it was going to be done)
 
So the "being with all the answers"'s statements about himself are being reduced to lunatic non sense?

What? I'm pretty sure he should be able to know about his own state of existence
 
Alright so other then Joo's questionable counter has there been any other outright counters for acausality type 4's removal?
 
Bill is an Extraordinary Genius, I do agree with JooCipher.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
How would that suddenly change anything?
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His statement would close to a Statements (Type 2) thus likely valid.

Again, the only type of lies he has been know to made is flattery and manipulation even then, he still makes due on his promise or deal, like he did for Mabel, given her a Pocket Realm.

JooCipher said:
because Bill isn't some random insane dude who's statements are just lunatic rambling
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I do agree with JooCipher's point; besides this could how he could be non-corporal as well.
 
Since this looks like it's going to be a bigger CRT than I originally planned for, I'm just going to edit the OP and make this about removing any unjustified abilities Bill has.
 
@Elizhaa

Manipulating a genius inventor doesn't make the manipulator smarter than said inventor in that way.

People have multiple forms of intelligence, and someone who isn't book smart or creatively smart can still be street smart, or vice versa. Ford even tells Stan that he (Stan) would have figured out Bill's manipulation and not fallen for it. Does that make Stan a super genius? No, it makes him above whatever Ford is in that aspect, not every aspect.
 
Bill also put Stanford ahead of his schedule and invented a entire new code in one night worth of time
 
JooCipher said:
Bill also put Stanford ahead of his schedule and invented a entire new code in one night worth of time
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There was one key reason for his intelligence to be accepted. I am surprised it was not added on his profile.
 
I mean if the Joker is engaging in one of his mad ramblings then you absolutely should doubt him.

Edit: Also if any of the Joker's statements would entirely invalidate the need for his plans or story at large you should absolutely doubt him.
 
The real cal howard said:
I've seen less doubting in statements from The Joker.
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To be honest, I have seen a lot clowing from Bill Cipher when he was downgraded to High 3-A to the point where at most match against could be qualify as Spite Thread.
 
I also just remembered that I'm pretty sure Bill's Higher-Dimensional Manipulation was supposed to be removed when 11D was debunked.
 
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