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Removal of Sonic Pocket Adventure statements

OculoOmnibus

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Based on a question I asked in this thread here.

According to Ian Flynn in a BumbleKast episode, Sega has completely blacklisted Sonic Pocket Adventure from the canon due to licensing issues and is not even allowed to be mentioned by name.




I don't think it will really change much for tierings, but pages that use statements from it (such as on Classic Sonic's) should have statements relating to feats from the game removed.

Agree: @TheMonkeMan @That_moron @y3p_owo @JJSliderman @ZespeonGalaxy @BrackishBrineBroth @Eseseso @Robo432343 @Nierre @ShakeResounding
Neutral: @Theuser789 @Da3ggman
Disagree: @Undylan
 
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You do realize Ian comtradictrd both himself and actual canon material many times right?

It's as if I'd use Toriyama statements to say SSJ is a 10 times boost
 
omegabronic said:
Says who? All that you provided was statements that sega couldn't put PA in the encyclopedia, all the others is Ian saying that it isn't canon, not sega
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He outright said that Sega is the one who decided it non-canon in the first video, did you even watch it?
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
It's as if I'd use Toriyama statements to say SSJ is a 10 times boost
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Because that statement was later retconned with something else.
There is nothing at all that opposes what was said in the videos I posted, and if there is, then post it because I haven't found anything that retcons these words.
 
I would rather wait on more official word from the rest of the team on the canoncity of this game than relying on Flynn, but I don't mind removing it if needed
 
  1. Ian and Kyle state that Pocket Adventure is "decidedly non-canon", explaining due to rights issues involving SNK
  2. Ian states that SEGA forbade the team from even mentioning the game due to disputes and forced them to remove its contents from the Encyclo-speed-ia
  3. Ian and Kyle joke about Pocket Adventure's non-canon nature
The consistent narrative here is SEGA rendered the game non-canon due to a conflict in rights.
I don't why he'd describe his own interpretation of its canonicity as "decidedly", that feels more like forwarding the words of SEGA themselves.
 
MrMTurbo said:
Because that statement was later retconned with something else.
There is nothing at all that opposes what was said in the videos I posted, and if there is, then post it because I haven't found anything that retcons these words.
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It was never rectonned lol. SSJ was always a 50 times boost no matter where you look but then Toriyama said it was exaggarated so I guess we should downgrade DB based on that right???
 
Yeah, Ian isn't exactly word of God unless the rest of Sega supports it.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
It was never rectonned lol. SSJ was always a 50 times boost no matter where you look but then Toriyama said it was exaggarated so I guess we should downgrade DB based on that right???
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This is kind of a false equivalent.
He never said the boost was non-canon or gave a specific estimate for it, he just said it's exaggerated.
This is just Sega saying it's completely non-canon and it won't be acknowledged by them due to legal issues.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Yeah, Ian isn't exactly word of God unless the rest of Sega supports it.
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To be fair this is completely different from him commenting on something inside of the game. I think Ian should be reliable when it comes to words about licensing/canonicity (in situations like this when it directly pertains to Sega) since he literally works with Sega and according to him Sega themselves say it's not canon.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Yeah, Ian isn't exactly word of God unless the rest of Sega supports it.
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Like, there's still this here.

Nullflowerblush said:
  1. Ian and Kyle state that Pocket Adventure is "decidedly non-canon", explaining due to rights issues involving SNK
  2. Ian states that SEGA forbade the team from even mentioning the game due to disputes and forced them to remove its contents from the Encyclo-speed-ia
  3. Ian and Kyle joke about Pocket Adventure's non-canon nature
The consistent narrative here is SEGA rendered the game non-canon due to a conflict in rights.
I don't why he'd describe his own interpretation of its canonicity as "decidedly", that feels more like forwarding the words of SEGA themselves.
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Like, not even being able to mention the name of the thing in the encyclopedia is kinda sus. I mean, for me it is.
 
Theuser789 said:
This is my problem with this thread and why I can't fully agree with it. The source that Pocket Adventure isn't canon only comes from Ian's claims which aren't realible. That's why I would like to see more sources than the Bumblekast.
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Ian should 100% be reliable in this issue as he literally works for Sega directly.
 
omegabronic said:
He is 1 guy working partly on 1 team for sega. He is not 100% reliable in anything regarding the things he didn't worked on
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When it comes to licensing issues like this he literally has no reason to lie at all. Especially when he literally has higher up contacts at sega and works with them.
 
Theuser789 said:
This is my problem with this thread and why I can't fully agree with it. The source that Pocket Adventure isn't canon only comes from Ian's claims which aren't realible. That's why I would like to see more sources than the Bumblekast.
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What source would you want? We never see it in Encylo-speed-ia, and never see it referenced ever.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
When it comes to licensing issues like this he literally has no reason to lie at all.
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When have i said that he is lying?

BestMGQScalerEver said:
Especially when he literally has higher up contacts at sega and works with them.
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Define "higher ups" we don't known where he got the information from, in fact, we don't known if that is the information he got, with these wordings, or if it is just him interpreting this way
 
omegabronic said:
When have i said that he is lying?


Define "higher ups" we don't known where he got the information from, in fact, we don't known if that is the information he got, with these wordings, or if it is just him interpreting this way
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How this mf sees Ian:
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That_moron said:
The fact that he is directly working with Sega, and knows its mandates better than 99.99% of people on the planet?
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You know Death of the Author exists right? And he's not even the author. It's like if some Dragon Ball editor would one day say SSJ is a 2 times boost, so that means it must be true right?
 
That_moron said:
The fact that he is directly working with Sega, and knows its mandates better than 99.99% of people on the planet?
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none of this address any of the points i have presented whatsoever

even so, that makes him an indisputable 100% trust worthy font because? he said things that contradicted the games many times before
 
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