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These seem like good points as well.Here's the deal: you can argue Bowser created something until you are blue in the face but it does not change the fact that the argument rests on special pleading, ignoring the original translation, cherrypicking the word "create" to only mean one thing it cannot possibly mean, using a joke from an English only manual that uses an English-only idea (Mario from Brooklyn), ignoring paintings existing in the physical world (equivocate it to 1-1 all you want but it does not change what an omniscient third person source tells us, or the characters in the galaxy in both the Mario and Luigi campaign), portraits having histories (and no, metaphysics will not save you), and oh yeah, using the character portraits actually defeats your own argument (Bowser apparently created these paintings and kidnapped Mario, Luigi, and Wario in these paintings yet there were secret castle stars in those paintings he did not know about??) There is not a single source consistent with the claim that Bowser created these things, and even then you run into the scaling issues earlier in the thread, and the starry sky issue.
Ignore all of this and then you have a case. Starry sky feats are wack, that is all.
Frankly I think I'm just going to bounce, this thread has gone on for over 500 messages of mostly stonewalling and focusing on minutia while all of this has been ignored in favor of an overly simplistic, context ignoring conclusion that creation was somehow involved. And again, I am not even against cosmic Mario, these feats are just really, really bad.
Thank you for the sentiment. We need some well-intended optimism these days. I am risking to slide into existentialist pessimism myself.That would be best, also I can’t wait for thanksgiving this year even the current crisis that’s been happening I hoped our guys feel the same way and god bless
This is poisoning the well and the source is specifically from r/translators reddit which from what I remember is a host of different official translators that have legit backing behind them, not just anyone is allowed to translate and you can ask for multipletranslators.Alright, making a full response. Before I begin, any and all translation arguments being used are HEAVILY moot.
- Maverick's source came from Reddit, not a place I would use.
I've checked their description and about, none of it mentions only specific people can respond.and the source is specifically from r/translators reddit which from what I remember is a host of different official translators that have legit backing behind them, not just anyone is allowed to translate and you can ask for multipletranslators.
I've checked their description and about, none of it mentions only specific people can respond.
;^;Stuff like Sally Acorn in CD is contradicted by the game itself
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Where did it say that? It said he was a visitor from Brooklyn, not that he was born there.Wouldn’t Mario being born in Brooklyn contradict Yoshi’s island depicting Mario's beginnings in a place that clearly isn’t NYC?
How is calculating a pre-established feat and using it the same as using something for lore based off a theory? Like I get in concept what you're trying to say but both are realistically very different. One is a canon feat using scientific basis to try and find a value the other is an assumption that isn't confirmed in the series at all and is pure headcanon.Aren't we no different considering we calculate characters' theoretical tiers?
One involves being objective to the source material through a scientific lens while the other involves formulating possible ideas to explain things that aren't definitive to the actual series.Aren't we no different considering we calculate characters' theoretical tiers?
Yep, seems like Bowser did create them. So is this enough proof?Bowser is trying to create a monster world inside the wall and the pictures by using power stars! Get them (the stars) back!
Could you please expand on this?Also, uh, I may have been too quick on the Brobot feat. From what others said on Discord, including DDM, the feat is actually valid. So the screen transitions would actually be more proving Brobot was the cause because Mario didn't case after them and left to space. And I was blind and didn't see the stars-
Mario wasn't born in Brooklyn, this was an invention of Americans in the 80s who wanted to make him more relatable.Wouldn’t Mario being born in Brooklyn contradict Yoshi’s island depicting Mario's beginnings in a place that clearly isn’t NYC?
Yeah, this. He didn't create the worlds in many cases, the word "create" isn't being totally literal.I'm confused, I thought Bowser was converting the worlds within the paintings into worlds of monsters? Not creating the worlds themselves. Are we going to deny that these worlds have their own histories again?
Nowhere does it say that.I'm confused, I thought Bowser was converting the worlds within the paintings into worlds of monsters? Not creating the worlds themselves. Are we going to deny that these worlds have their own histories again?
Couldn't the screen ripping just be warping outside?Basically when the boss battle of Brobot begins, the screen rips in half and you're in space out of nowhere. When you defeat Brobot, the screen blows up and you're suddenly back to your original location. Also the green stuff below would further imply it's from Brobot. Also the background is different from World 4's backgrounds (it doesn't have the power-up shapes), so it isn't just World 4.