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I would still appreciate input from @Dino_Ranger_Black @DarkDragonMedeus and @Ryukama regarding what we should do here.
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How its false equivalencies when yoshi's latest games have the same thingYoshi's Wooly Games are just aesthetic but with the recent Paper Mario games, the world being made of paper is literally an essential plot point and a massive game mechanic.
You are using false equivalencies.
I agree with this, but it's a whole other issue in of itself.Speaking of splitting up Mario, Paper Mario needs to be split-up again. You can't use the Miyamoto statement that is literally about how Mario has no canon or timeline like Zelda and ignore the entire premise of Paper Jam.
I am fine with Dino's conclusions.@Antvasima I don't know what's happening here. I think people arguing here are so caught up with what they believe is the best into now believing it's actually legitimate without objection and seems entirely different to why we were called here the last time. In addition, while the series may have no officially recognized canon, I believe it's lack discontinuity is becoming exaggerated. The series isn't consistent but not into the point where we have to believe every installment/series of games has it's own time and place. The games across the franchise still recognized some events have taken place before others and would sometimes lead to certain installments, meaning there is still a sense of continuity. Because of this, I believe separating the profiles by games/series due to the gap in some stats will backfire as we will eventually have future threads debating on rescaling the cast based on this. I suggest instead of arguing of separating Mario based on which game/series he appears in, we should go back in analyzing these current feats before determining an appropriate tier.
I got a translation for the 64 statement
As in the link Toad says: Sir Koopa/Bowser used power star to create kingdom of monsters inside walls and paintings. Recapture the stars!
This quote alone implies that Bowser didn't create the worlds of the paintings with the power stars, but more used them to take over the worlds within the paintings and create the monsters within the paintings or use the magic of the power stars turn them to his side
Still curious about thisWhat's wrong with the Wario calc exactly? Was the hole the Shake King made in the clouds calced to be bigger than it actually is due to wonky pixel scaling or something?
It literally says bowser used the power stars to "create" not to take overAs in the link Toad says: Sir Koopa/Bowser used power star to create kingdom of monsters inside walls and paintings. Recapture the stars!
This quote alone implies that Bowser didn't create the worlds of the paintings with the power stars, but more used them to take over the worlds within the paintings and create the monsters within the paintings or use the magic of the power stars turn them to his side
Just might be good to look at again
to create - Jisho.org
jisho.org
Looking at the scan and the link the Japanese verbs for "to create" うみだす, つくりあげる, or つくりだす, おこす do not appear here. Only つくろう which means to fix
how is this not understood to be a metaphor? It is the only thing consistent with what we know.It literally says bowser used the power stars to "create" not to take over
Both of つくろう and つくりあげるmean "build"Just might be good to look at again
so like building an empire, got itBoth of つくろう and つくりあげるmean "build"
Yeah he created worlds to build an empire, got it tooso like building an empire, got it
seems like a pretty stupid plan on Bowser's part but alrightYeah he created worlds to build an empire, give me something new
Idk what makes the alternate plan less stupidseems like a pretty stupid plan on Bowser's part but alright
true, but as i pointed out it doesn't matter if they are secret stars, courses, in the walls, in a painting, in a toy, whatever. every single type of stage has evidence of having existed prior. unless we want to argue bowser created stages he didnt even know about on accident, somehow.Also the additional secret stars in DS (which are 30) are in the castle not in the courses
the fact that he is taking over something that actually already exists, lolIdk what makes the alternate plan less stupid
It can be argued that each of these worlds have different flow of timeevery single type of stage has evidence of having existed prior.
so we would really much rather argue that time flows massively differently here such that decades to hundreds of years (maybe more) have occurred, meanwhile years of history do not pass in the real world when Mario leaves?It can be argued that each of these worlds have different flow of time
Since boo's mansion and goomboss's stage have night time and shifting sand land had a history
It uses the World Map for wonky pixel scaling (Think how Chrono Trigger used to get 5-A results for people shaking a mountain by using literal scaling off the world map) and it's before our standards for cloud calcs were revised.Still curious about this
I'm sure this isn't the first case of a realm that has different flow of timeso we would really much rather argue that time flows massively differently here such that decades to hundreds of years (maybe more) have occurred, meanwhile years of history do not pass in the real world when Mario leaves?
Idk but you need to calm downUUUUGGH!! I thought the translation would clear up some confusion and end the arguing, instead it has made more!
its the first case ive ever seen that has no evidence whatsoever of being one, personallyI'm sure this isn't the first case of a realm that has different flow of time