I find that to be strange when the opposite is perfectly accepted. For instance Darkshine used to scale to 7-A via damaging the HA HQ, but that was downgraded to using a calc that finds how much he destroyed of the HQ compared to what the building took from Boros' ships barrage rather than just scaling him to damaging the building which took a 7-A blast. I just think that's strange.
1. The Hero HQ's durability is Low 7-B, and
1. I'm pretty sure it was 7-A?
It got either edited or replaced with a different calc
Nowhere on the HQ Durability blog shows that calc for Darkshine- although it does show them doing something similar for Metal Knight's drone durability, but that's not on Metal Knight's profile because he has scaling that puts him above it, and also because that's calc stacking, and thus not allowed.
This is also a good time to point out that the low 7-B HA HQ durability calc assumes that A-City would be destroyed by a 6-C blast when the more up to date calcs are like High 6-C or Low 6-B at least from the ones on the verse page. So idk if you could get better results on Darkshine damaging the building, but it might be worth it to update the calc.
I don't see any High 6-C/Low 6-B calcs for destroying A-City...?
The size calc for A-city on the verse page is Low 6-B right? And its about the same size calced for Z-City which has a high 6-C calc unless I'm just miss reading it.
The Low 6-B calc is outdated and incorrect. It was recalced later at 6-C, but the size used is the same
Proof it's the same size? If not, the High 6-C+ calc only applies to destroying Z-City
This is what I get for being gone for months I miss stuff. Also Z-City Is calced at being 135.2 km while A-City is calced at being 139.6 km, but the destroying Z-city is higher? I'm confused.
Oudated. New size is way larger
oh, that makes sense now. We'll I'm sorry for derailing the thread a bit guys. College finals are really messing with my brain.
Yeah i know, it didn't go well last time-
Nope. My calculation used the energy from Saitama's Moon Jump, and the amount of material he destroyed to find its fragmentation value in j/cc, and then calculated from there.
so calc stacking
I mean it sounds like calculation stacking. Like, we have no definitive stated value for Saitama's moon jump (obviously), meaning that's calced. Then, you're using that calc to get another value.
Have you? I have, and we don't actually have it in our rules. Our rule only reject the logic of "Person A made a 30 mm dent, and Person B made a 10 mm dent, so Person A must be 3x more powerful". Finding the j/cc value of a fictional material is not against the guidelines.
We use the calculated size of fictional planets in our calcs, look at One Piece.
You said "Calc stacking should be allowed in some scenarios" and I pointed it out that it was allowed in some scenarios. The scenarios are listed on the page.
"It doesn't say this specific example is against the rules in the blog, therefore it's not against the rules."
Size is fine for calc stacking, because while artists don't care about the tensile strength of their own characters' flesh compared to the impacts on other materials, or their specific speeds based on how they performed against the speed of lightning, they do (usually) make an effort to have semi-consistent proportions between characters and their environment.
Yeah. If it's not in the rules, we can't say it is... that's how rules work.
And in this case, there are 0 antifeats that would make the metal inconsistent. The only other character to damage it is Tatsumaki, who is already Moon level.
The general statement on calc stacking states that it should be disregarded almost always- the list of examples given for when to reject it was not comprehensive. And there already is an example regarding material durability stacking-
-which is just the eyeballed-calc version of "divide Character A's AP by the volume of the dent and then multiply that destruction value by the volume of the shield to get Character C's AP."
Actually she's back to being >5 Exatons now
wtf?
Because in the example, they take the calculated AP of character A from a different feat and apply that to the metal. In this case, the frag value of the metal is found from the energy of the feat that destroyed it.
...Alright, well that's...
Of course the ship would start tilting because Saitama's impact had a giant downward force on it. Doesn't mean it won't scale, because the impact hardly did much actual damage to the spaceship
I mean that in the same vein has how being hit by a car and sent flying means the victim doesn't scale to the KE of the car, versus being hit by a car right into a wall where they'd be taking 100% of the impact.
We already decided that scaling the spaceship's durability to the moon crater was the better option, so eh
