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Reinhard Vs Medaka

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And besides. Its even doubtful that Medaka can All Fiction'd Reinhard considering Machina only has one in a million chance to MVS'd him if his fist connect (which imply high resistance toward conceptual erasure) and IIRC would stop working with 8 Swastikas open, meaning Machina could no longer MVS'd him. Even Father Valerie in Reinhard's body doesn't get MVS'd by Machina.
 
he can't see her? Well Reinhard and all LDOs actually can sense souls from kilometers away so he can sense her via her soul. Also he has to go through at least a hundred million ppl that won't thin so easily hell they all have mid-godly regen. And if he brings glasheirm if he wanted he can make Medaka lost as glasheirm has a passive effect of distorting distance and coordination, making it impossible to get close unless one is invited to the castle itself by Reinhard. But what really comes down is which void manipulation is better spear or all-fiction but Reinhard can use it via Machina's briah as well anyway. The encounter is something i want to know and how effective is all-fiction in situations before giving my vote
 
All Fiction: Kugawama's Abnormality. Stated to be able to erase all of existence. Universal range. Does not require contact to be used, only a small gesture. Can heal any damage done or anything else, even death, by denying the damage/event and turning it into fiction. Works on a conceptual level, as shown when Kumagawa erased the concept of colour, turning everything grey scale. Can be used regardless of the user's state of being, as it can turn his own death into fiction. Let's also note Medaka's is 20% better than Kuwagama's.

Non Fiction: The equal and opposite of All Fiction. Has all the above points, except instead of erasing things, it brings them back from erasure.

Medaka also has divine protection from evil, can negate regen by making damage not heal, and grows stronger the more enemies she faces, so the entire LDO order apart from Reinhard is screwed if they go up against her. Plus she could copy Machina and Eleonore's abilities with the End and make her own attacks erasing on hit/undodgeable. I actually think its probably in Reinhard's best interests if he doesn't summon the LDO.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
And if he brings glasheirm if he wanted he can make Medaka lost as glasheirm has a passive effect of distorting distance and coordination, making it impossible to get close unless one is invited to the castle itself by Reinhard.
It doesn't make her lost - it makes her unable to enter unless invited. And I'm pretty sure escaping into Gladshiemr would qualify as inconclusive.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
he can't see her? Well Reinhard and all LDOs actually can sense souls from kilometers away so he can sense her via her soul.
It's not that he can't see her. It's that he can't notice her. That's how Unknown Hero works. That plus All Fiction Aura erasing is enough to hide her
 
Fabtastic Glasses said:
And besides. Its even doubtful that Medaka can All Fiction'd Reinhard considering Machina only has one in a million chance to MVS'd him if his fist connect (which imply high resistance toward conceptual erasure) and IIRC would stop working with 8 Swastikas open, meaning Machina could no longer MVS'd him. Even Father Valerie in Reinhard's body doesn't get MVS'd by Machina.
Kumagawa's All Fiction was stated to be able to erase all of existence, and Medaka's is 20% better than that. Please tell me more about Reinhard's low 2-C resistances.
 
and copying isn't as simple…don't forget briah = true desires so she can't copy eleonore's abilities nor machina's. "Grow stronger the more enemies she face" w0t that's NLF right there and i don't see it. Also does that mean Medaka has mid-godly regen or something?
 
Briah = a supermagicpower determined by one's deepest desire. The desire is the statement, the Briah is the power derived from that statement. Plus, Abnormalities are abilities derived from the user's own personality and ability, and her Abnormality lets her copy those.

Grows stronger the more enemies she faces is simply a way of saying that she would most definitely stomp the LDO apart from Reinhard. For one thing, none of them are even close to 5-C, which in this state is her absolute minimum. For another, she easily has the hax to deal with them. And its one of her 100 trample skills, which are not on the VS battle page, but the Medaka Box wiki.

As for Mid-Gody regen, yes effectively. She can bring anything erased, even conceptually, back into existence. And All Fiction has turned people's deaths into fiction before. Seeing as Medaka Box hasn't shown any evidence of souls/afterlife (for them to use All Fiction from) that I know of, we can assume either two posibilities. Either All Fiction can be used regardless of the user's state of being, or its use can be linked to a "trigger event", such as the user's death/erasure. Either way, Medaka can return herself from erasure. So if Reinhard smacks her with the spear, either she erases that event with All Fiction, or she un-erases herself with Non Fiction.
 
I don't even understand how does abnormalities simply copy and even then it's a bad idea one she MUST have a soul stock or the law she desires will kill her This girl had briah without a soul stock and burned to death because of her law

Then wouldn't it be put in her profile. I mean they can delay her and they negate durability.

Methuselah died from that spear with mid-godly regen to be fair and only briefly survived but died soon after
 
In Dies Irae, soul stock = power. Claudia burned to death because she didn't have the power that she could only get from a soul stock. Considering Medaka is already stronger than the other LDO members, I think its safe to say she is powerful enough to use them.

Then wouldn't what be in her profile? The "grows in power the stronger they are" and "damage done is permanent"? Presumably because they are single entries in a list of 100 other abilities, most of which are meaningless.

As for Methusulah, was that because the spear negates regen? All Fiction could still make the event of the spear hitting her into fiction, effectively retroactively stopping her death/erasure. But on this one I admit you have a point. Still, if Methusulah survived a few moments, that's probably enough time for Medaka to All Fiction Reinhard.
 
They convert the soul into power which is a fuel. You need that I mean if that's the case anyone can copy it by that logic which unless they have a ton of souls to help them sustain briah it would turn into a double edge sword

It would help others tbh…

Idk if it negated regen just that even with him having that regen he couldn't take being hit as he was erased completely and the reason why he isn't in Reinhard's legion is because he lacks a soul so he can't be soul sucked into glasheirm. Also it wasn't just his regen that made him survive it was his immortality and such (Regenerationn, conceptual existence and requiring destruction on a physical and mental level make him extremely hard to kill, especially given how he has resistance to all of these things) here is the entry on why he even survived it due to being a conceptual existence which i don't think Medeka has other than All-fiction
 
As I understand it, Claudia's burning herself was more the result of a poorly worded wish for eternal day, rather than a lack of soul stock. I mean, doesn't Ren only have one really powerful soul?

I agree it would help others. Should probably be added.

Like I said, if the spear can actually kill a being with Mid-Godly regen, it can kill Medaka even if she uses Non-Fiction, although she could straight up All Fictions the event of being hit. But also like I said, she'd probably All Fiction him before dying.
 
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The whole "OP should be impartial" has kinda gone out the window on this thread hasn't it...

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Then again, it's probably balanced out by the number of people who say Reinhard one-shots everything.
 
Well you can give opinion just your vote won't count

Anyway to answer your question no. Ren actually has more than just one powerful soul as Marie while possessing his childhood friend Kasumi went on a killing spree iirc she was gathering souls for Ren to harness his formation aka Yetzirah (this is from what i remember and interpret)

He is resistant to conceptual attacks so idk if that counts but again it was a lot of factors such as Immortality and concept existence that allowed Methuselah to survive at all while Medaka only has the regen
 
So I assume your vote is for Reinhard then.

I've made it so there are two rounds now, one bloodlusted and one in character, if you want to give your opinion on that.
 
I have not yet given my vote all i did was debate for his side but I want to see about Medaka's side to look

After that i can give my opinion
 
T Marie while possessing his childhood friend Kasumi went on a killing spree iirc she was gathering souls for Ren to harness his formation aka Yetzirah (this is from what i remember and interpret)
Marie went on a killing spree?

That seems... out of character, considering her Atzulith
 
her briah is unknown only her atziluth yes while it's out of character its more like because Ren would never do that he can't use formation even so she probably just did it and besides her curse is involuntary anyway considering those who tried to do things to her got their head chopped out without her realizing it. I'm exactly sure why she did it but Ik that is why Ren has a soul stock to begin with
 
Well, I think I've pretty much establised that this is not a stomp, so from now on I'll sit back and let the votes come in.
 
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