Reinhard Heydrich Vs. Golden King

[Bobsican]

I´m glad this hasn´t been done already.

The guys with golden stuff want to see who kills each other first.

Both at tier 5, speed not equalized.

The nazi

The black spiky thing


Longinuslanze!


(death noises)

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So now Reinhard is taking on all the strongest tier 5 characters :v

So Reinhard probably resist getting atomized (Machina Briah could erase Meth but is trash against Rein) and Mind hax, calling it a day.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Guessing that's a vote for Reinhard

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I suppose

 

[Bobsican]

Okay:

Hardrein: 1

Kingolden: 0

Incon: 0

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So now Reinhard is taking on all the strongest tier 5 characters :v
So Reinhard probably resist getting atomized (Machina Briah could erase Meth but is trash against Rein) and Mind hax, calling it a day.

Am not gonna vote, am just here for the fun, but Atomization and Erasure are not the same thing.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Said atomization can kills something as abstract as "Possibilities".

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Said atomization can kills something as abstract as "Possibilities".

Not a point if he resists atomization, but he doesn't. So GK scopes.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

and rein still can't die is the issue here

 

[Firephoenixearl]

and rein still can't die is the issue here

Our lord has given us the oh so tasty win-condition that is "incap"

 

[Bobsican]

I wouldn´t be surpirised if the match goes like Reinhard dying countless times until he somehow throws his spear at this point.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I wouldn´t be surpirised if the match goes like Reinhard dying countless times until he somehow throws his spear at this point.

That doesn't work.

That may work if it's an active kill. So for example if someone keeps blitzing and killing him, that can work. In this case it's a passive so no there exists no such opportunity for Reinhard.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, maybe if he respawned with the spear being already thrown, but I don´t know if he can do that.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Well, maybe if he respawned with the spear being already thrown, but I don´t know if he can do that.

He "respawns" he just comes back to life, the spear is an object it has to be thrown. He has to throw it once he revives. So no.

 

[Bobsican]

Maybe if he just dropped it?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Maybe if he just dropped it?

Not a chance.

Rein gets back. Rein gets atomized before he can even process a thought, that's what "passive" means.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, it seems like an inconclusive to me in that case.

 

[First_Witch]

Soo... Does 5B Reinhard have his broken Lance passives?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Well, it seems like an inconclusive to me in that case.

Incap.

GK just IS there and Rein keeps on dying.

 

[Bobsican]

Soo... Does 5B Reinhard have his broken Lance passives?

As per SBA, yes.

 

[Schnee_One]

Reinhard mindhaxes after dozens of failed attempts from HK to kill him

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Reinhard mindhaxes after dozens of failed attempts from HK to kill him

He finds the time to mindhax where exactly? He doesn't have such time vs a passive m8.

 

[First_Witch]

So turns out he have his Longinus hax. So Rein gets his Lance out and mind and soul haxes into oblivion.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

So turns out he have his Longinus hax. So Rein gets his Lance out and mind and soul haxes into oblivion.

Not enough time to get his lance. We'r talking about a passive here.

 

[Schnee_One]

He finds the time to mindhax where exactly? He doesn't have such time vs a passive m8.

The fact that LLT has passive mindhax superior to Methuselah

You were saying?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The fact that LLT has passive mindhax superior to Methuselah

You were saying?

I love how everyone is just dodging the part where "Rein HAS TO TAKE OUT THE SPEAR" for the passives to kick in.

Reinhard has to think to take out the spear. Thinking is WAY to slow. When you are up vs a passive there is no "time to think". Without the spear there is no passive mindhax, without that, Reinhard gets incaped.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

and in a fight reinhard's lance would be literally in his hands

 

[Firephoenixearl]

and in a fight reinhard's lance would be literally in his hands

And you're getting that from what? What proves that he will have the lance in his hands?

His longinus is his ability, which he has to take out, i have seen Reinhard without the lance before, which means the lance doesn't just exist with him, and he has to take it out.

 

[PaChi2]

"And you're getting that from what? What proves that he will have the lance in his hands?"

What in the world.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@Pachi

See,this is really ridicilous,in every battle Reinhard always bring the LLT in his hand.This is really a downplay lel.

 

[VoidGoji]

And you're getting that from what? What proves that he will have the lance in his hands?

His longinus is his ability, which he has to take out, i have seen Reinhard without the lance before, which means the lance doesn't just exist with him, and he has to take it out.

Longinus is a part of himself. And he always was holding LLT in every single battle he engaged.

 

[VoidGoji]

Also, Reinhard has resistance not only to erasure, but attacks in general.

Trex (The guy that knows GK and played the original game), said that Reinhard would beat GK

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I love how this went from "Rein resist the atomization (wich in my eyes is equal to Machina)" to "can HardRein pull out the spear in time? (The one thing that is always in his fights)"

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Am not gonna vote, am just here for the fun, but Atomization and Erasure are not the same thing.

Yeah, you are right, Erasure is waaaaaaay better than atomization but this Atomization is special because of it's properties, you know, the ones that are similar to how MVS works.

 

[Frohe_Magnolia]

I wouldn´t be surpirised if the match goes like Reinhard dying countless times until he somehow throws his spear at this point.

That doesn't work.
That may work if it's an active kill. So for example if someone keeps blitzing and killing him, that can work. In this case it's a passive so no there exists no such opportunity for Reinhard.

And then Reinhard goes full Niflheim Fenriswolf, preventing any blitz possible

 

[Lady_Ashford]

Am not gonna vote, am just here for the fun, but Atomization and Erasure are not the same thing.

Yeah, you are right, Erasure is waaaaaaay better than atomization but this Atomization is special because of it's properties, you know, the ones that are similar to how MVS works.

The two are unidentical. Machina's Briah and Golden King's hand are only similar in what they achieve, now in how they works. The fundamental principle behind both attacks actually differ in many ways.

Trex (The guy that knows GK and played the original game), said that Reinhard would beat GK

Also, how true is this ? I know a guy who also have played both game and also know trexalfa29 and he said to me what trex said in one of his older thread involving both Golden King and Reinhard was that "both can beat each other" not that "one definitely beat the other"

 

[Zensum]

I'm inclined to agree with Ashford. GK's erase functions in a completly different manner than Machina's and to resist either one of them you would need two different kinds of resistance. Volsunga Saga works by ending anything with a discernable "history" even concepts reguardless of logic or reason. This is what Reinhard has a sort of reistence too. GK's is different as it can work on both Critters and Old Ones whereas Machina's Briah won't even affect them due to mechanics as they are devoid of "times" or "history" and therefore won't be under the rules of his fist's cessation power. Much like Kikai or neweley eminating Ren...etc. One can say that GK's hand is even superior to Machina's if they don't care about context. To summarise, my point is that people can say that Machina's Briah is superior to GK's hand any time of the week but one can also present a case where Machina's Briah would fail to work whereas GK's hand would still work regardless of the case

Also Reinhard back in IkaBey has not done the Ougon Rensei, so he doesn't have any protective membrane like his future self in DI does. So Gladsheimr range is only just planetary and has not become a singularity. Even then GK can hit things in other realities. Not to mention spear mind hax most likely wont work as GK's mind is unbounded by time-space.

Anyways this still won't perma kill Apothesis Immortality which is pretty much unbeatable in sub 1A matches. However GK can incap here by slapping him out of existence over and over again indefinitely.

 

[Schnee_One]

Don't see how constantly erasing someone while they are coming back is incap

 

[Zensum]

Essentially Rein can't stop the slaps and it takes 0 time to use. It just happens over and over again without him being able to counter or GK uses GotR and it's passive and doesn't matter anymore. He wont perma die ofc he just being erased over and over

 

[DMUA]

1-A Immortality means GK's stare can heck itself

Mindhax GG