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Reinhard Heydrich (Dies Irae, base form w/o all Swastikas open) vs. Darth Vader (Legends/EU)
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How would Darth Vader deal with the light that Longinuslanze emanates? It burns your mind as well as the soul from just looking at it. Any mindfuck he has is most likely to pale in comparison to Methuselah's passive aura.
So it comes down to overwhelming Reinhard with speed. But the problem is he has a huge edge when it comes to Regenerationn. That and he could always just one-shot Vader using Longinuslanze's combination of the Head Commanders abilities.
Assuming he doesn't do some weird shit I know of. What is Vader's approach to combat?
So it comes down to overwhelming Reinhard with speed. But the problem is he has a huge edge when it comes to Regenerationn. That and he could always just one-shot Vader using Longinuslanze's combination of the Head Commanders abilities.
Assuming he doesn't do some weird shit I know of. What is Vader's approach to combat?
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I really don't think Vader has any chance here. He can't kill Reinhard due to his Regenerationn, can't use the Force to destroy his mind because of his obscene resistance, and Reinhard, on the other hand, ca kill him pretty easily.
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Damm I felt bad for Vader (RIP him) as there is no way he will stand a chance against this Reinhard. I mean his hax is superior to Vader and he will not last that long against someone who has very good resistance agsinst certain haxs.
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@HIT No that is just pure wank and a assumption as there is no proof he can mindfuck that many people on that scale.
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That sounds more like WH40K's kind of thing. And even then, I wouldn't say it is as crazy as Methuselah's aura. Larger range, sure. But nowhere near as potent IMO.HIT IT said:
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@Hit I not so sure if that is legit true though on this one.
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I say the Golden Beast takes this. Vader's force power is "At least High 6-A" at most, whereas Reinhard with all eight swastika's is 5-B here. He could just throw his spear and one shit him with it.
Speed, definitely in Vader's favor in comparison to Reinhard's MHS+ speed, though once he pulls off Albedo's/Wolfgang's Briah power, that becomes pretty null given the ability it grants (always being faster than the opponent less they outright halt the users movement).
In terms of hax from both sides, it'd be more into Reinhard than Vader. Reinhard is one tough mofo with a bunch of hax and hax resistance. He pretty much wasn't even affected by a being's time acceleration (one that went billions of years a second no less) and didn't get mindf*K either by the same being's aura as what EMC said earlier. There's also his Briah to account as well as his Relic which, just by looking at it directly, your own mind and soul are burned and erased. And that's not counting what he can do with it, which is to channel the powers of his legion (especially that of his 3 commanders).
Honestly, this seems sort of like a stomp in a way. Vader's force power isn't high enough to deal any damage to him, and any possible force hax he'd do on Reinhard would probably useless due to dealing with them in a similar manner (like force mind hax). Though i still think force choke would still get Reinhard, he's probably not gonna give a damn given his regen and all.
And though it is true that Vader does have the massive speed advantage, it's not gonna do much to Reinhard if he can't get pass his regen. And if he manages to pull off NF, Reinhard pretty much blitzs Vader due to it's effect.
Or he can pretty much just throw his spear and call it a day. And Vader can't do anything to it given it's properties of "Fast like Albedo (Wolfgang), never missing like Rubedo (Eleonore), and all killing like Nigredo (Machina)".
Speed, definitely in Vader's favor in comparison to Reinhard's MHS+ speed, though once he pulls off Albedo's/Wolfgang's Briah power, that becomes pretty null given the ability it grants (always being faster than the opponent less they outright halt the users movement).
In terms of hax from both sides, it'd be more into Reinhard than Vader. Reinhard is one tough mofo with a bunch of hax and hax resistance. He pretty much wasn't even affected by a being's time acceleration (one that went billions of years a second no less) and didn't get mindf*K either by the same being's aura as what EMC said earlier. There's also his Briah to account as well as his Relic which, just by looking at it directly, your own mind and soul are burned and erased. And that's not counting what he can do with it, which is to channel the powers of his legion (especially that of his 3 commanders).
Honestly, this seems sort of like a stomp in a way. Vader's force power isn't high enough to deal any damage to him, and any possible force hax he'd do on Reinhard would probably useless due to dealing with them in a similar manner (like force mind hax). Though i still think force choke would still get Reinhard, he's probably not gonna give a damn given his regen and all.
And though it is true that Vader does have the massive speed advantage, it's not gonna do much to Reinhard if he can't get pass his regen. And if he manages to pull off NF, Reinhard pretty much blitzs Vader due to it's effect.
Or he can pretty much just throw his spear and call it a day. And Vader can't do anything to it given it's properties of "Fast like Albedo (Wolfgang), never missing like Rubedo (Eleonore), and all killing like Nigredo (Machina)".
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Ah, i did not see that. My bad.
Still i think even then, Reinhard would still win it for me even if he wasn't in 5-B form. Regen is something Vader can't overcome AFAIK of it....yeah. And pretty much of what EMC and i said earlier stays about the same.
Still i think even then, Reinhard would still win it for me even if he wasn't in 5-B form. Regen is something Vader can't overcome AFAIK of it....yeah. And pretty much of what EMC and i said earlier stays about the same.
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We dont really know all that much whats different from incomplete Swastika Beast and full Swastika Beast. The only difference that i could think of is that Longinus could still be dodged (although the chance to do it is very small) and that's all, we never really saw Beast power outside his Atziluth
Still vote for Beast coz Vader couldn't take him down permanently and Beast hax are simply too much for Vader
Still vote for Beast coz Vader couldn't take him down permanently and Beast hax are simply too much for Vader
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I believe i saw Trex mention that on a Vs thread from another site. Basically all 8 swastikas is what gives his spear the full package power set thing. 7 opened gives him everything but the never missing aspect.
Though i can't say of what it's like when Beast is incomplete like this, however....
Though i can't say of what it's like when Beast is incomplete like this, however....
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If anything, you can pretty much say that the Swastika nerfs him. All this "only when X Swastikas are opened" only applies to DI when the Swastika is a thing.CrossverseCrisis said:
In Interview, it is pretty much in its "all Swastikas unlocked" form since there is no Swastika at that point in the first place.
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Really now...? @EMC
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And Beast at that time is weaker than Beast at the time of DI no ? Considering Interview took place before Berlin
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No Swastika being opened, at least during Dies, means Kemono-dono can't use his power at all. With each opened one, the pipeline that lets him manifest more of his power opens, being completely open with 8 completed Swastika.HIT IT said:
The most we have seen is that a mere shade of Kemono-dono manfiested with 2 open Swastika pinned Ren and Kei to the ground with his mere soul pressure. And we've seen Kemono-dono's power with 7/8 Swastikas open at the end of Kei's Route, he is still nerfed but not by much. His Longinus can miss too.
And the Swastikas act as basically a nerf system during Dies, with more of that nerf coming off till he is at full power, before proceeding to boost him to Atziluth. During IKaBey he is not nerfed at all, but is somewhat weaker than he was in Dies irae.
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So, rather than get boost at 8 Swastikas, Beast only get his original power back ?
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Yeah, that's it. So do his Commanders.
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Does that mean we have to change stuff up for Reinhard and his commanders? @Trex
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so Reinhard was planet from the start? but swatsika nerfed him to all hell???
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Depends on what time of Reinhard you're talking about i guess
DI Reinhard ? Sure
Interview Reinhard ? Maybe not so much, considering Interview took place before Berlin
DI Reinhard ? Sure
Interview Reinhard ? Maybe not so much, considering Interview took place before Berlin
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So we don;t have to change anything? ^^;
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Maybe new keys? Base( Interview) Base (DI) could work?
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just asked Ever about this thread
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@Redgrave: We can probably do that, yeah. Problem is, we have no idea as to where Reinhard is without all of them opened or where any of them are opened at. I do recall reading that with just 7 of 8 opened, Reinhard has almost all the properties his spear can use but the Never Missing ability. So there's a possible chance of actually dodging the spear if thrown, it'll just be super damn difficult since it has the "faster than you" property at least. And of the above that Trex mentioned above as well. We may have to make a thread for Reinhard at some point if we have to for him, of course with help from EMC and Trex as usual.
And Ever told me that he doesn't do Vs debating anymore as he gets angry IRL about it (it's sort of complicated bu that's the basis of what i'll say for him here).
And Ever told me that he doesn't do Vs debating anymore as he gets angry IRL about it (it's sort of complicated bu that's the basis of what i'll say for him here).
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