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Yeah, that's where I got the whole "1.3x away from next tier" thing, as going 3/4 of a tier most of the time will put you 1.33x away from the next tier's border.
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Regarding Upscaling
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So the guideline will be "So long as the character is massively superior to a calced value that is 3/4th's higher than the baseline of the tier, they can upscale to the baseline of the next tier".
That could work.
EDIT: I mean, I'm obviously not happy with it since I think the concept of this kind of tier-based upscaling is nonsense in the first place, but it's better than randomly allowing values up to 1.5x away from the next tier.
That could work.
EDIT: I mean, I'm obviously not happy with it since I think the concept of this kind of tier-based upscaling is nonsense in the first place, but it's better than randomly allowing values up to 1.5x away from the next tier.
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This would also apply to upscaling to a + rating, right?
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Depends how far we want to take it.
If somebody is massively superior to 1/4 value of a tier, do they get upscaled to 1/2 the tier?
If they're massively superior to 1/2 of a tier, do they get upscaled to 3/4 the tier?
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Honestly I could agree to that
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Same. It would also imply upscaling into a "+" rating which is fine by me.
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So that would mean the benchmarks for a tier like 7-A would be as such
325 Megatons -> 550 Megatons -> 775 Megatons -> 1000 Megatons
So if you're far stronger than a calc above 325 Megatons, 550 Megatons, or 775 Megatons, then you can upscale to the next level of the chain
325 Megatons -> 550 Megatons -> 775 Megatons -> 1000 Megatons
So if you're far stronger than a calc above 325 Megatons, 550 Megatons, or 775 Megatons, then you can upscale to the next level of the chain
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Yeah. Honestly since this is kinda important perhaps we could edit that into the Attack Potency page?
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For the record, Massively superior implies one shotting correct? Not casual feats?
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I think so. And not all kinds of one-shotting either, since even ordinary humans can "one-shot" each other with enough skill or luck or choice of weapon. Something that indicates an undeniable different level of power.
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Very well
Damn, inFAMOUS gets hit with the downgrade again
Damn, inFAMOUS gets hit with the downgrade again
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Wow, so just stomping or casually stomping someone wouldn’t count?
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Well whether or not upscaling is valid and whether or not the gap of superiority is huge would be case by case to the verse
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A question. If we are accepting my suggestion, what about scaling chains? For example, 3/4 of 1000 Megatons is 750, if a character is 700 Megatons, but it has a scaling chain like this
Character A > Character B > Character C = 700 Megatons (Keep in mind that ">" means stomp, one shot, statement of "massively superior" or anything that we are accepting that is enough to upscale)
Character A > Character B > Character C = 700 Megatons (Keep in mind that ">" means stomp, one shot, statement of "massively superior" or anything that we are accepting that is enough to upscale)
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This should still probably apply to situations involving calced values which would prevent drastic inflation through scaling chains.
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I'd say we should find a limit for scaling chains, otherwise we'll get people becoming High 8-C from a 9-A+ feat, but I do think they're legitimate. Also, if a feat is very casual, I do think upscaling should at least be considered, depending on context.
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I believe we've come to a conclusion for the most part that we can agree with the 3/4 rule for upscaling
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If we do, we should edit in the minimum values that allow upscaling in our Attack Potency page.
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Yes, somebody knowledgeable in our staff would need to update our Attack Potency page.
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It should be at the bottom of the page under a section of Upscaling Chart, then have all the values that allow upscaling
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So basically in the Upscaling Chart section we write "For a character to qualify for upscaling to the next tier, the character's AP should be at least 3/4 that of the next immediate tier". Did I get it right?
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Yeah, but we have to include the "+" stuff as well, you basically need to find the mean average between the "+" and Baseline of the next tier, and that's the cut off mark for upscaling to a next tier
To upscale to the "+", you need to upscale above the mean average of the Baseline of the current tier and the "+"
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I think it'd be a good idea to mark that specific value for every tier in our AP chart too, though.
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I can do so I guess
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I mean, once you're 3/4 that of the next tier you're definitely gonna hit the + anyway so...
Remember, you get a + when you reach the average mean of the lowest bound of the tier+highest bound of the tier, and 3/4 of the tier is unarguably superior to the mean.
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Yeah, laying out the value for the average arithmetic mean between the lowest and highest bounds of a tier would definitely be extremely helpful, as that's what we use to get the + rating.
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That doesn't actually get you 3/4 of the tier.
3/4 of 1000 Megatons is 750 Megatons.
The actual midpoint of between halfway up 7-A and the baseline for High 7-A is 775.
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