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Agree with the others that this is vague.
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Regarding Selene Enlarging the Moon
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If it increased in size without any change in mass it would have an average density of like 0.003g/cc. The material it is made of wouldn't even be the same anymore or even an intact solid much less having craters on it's surface.
From the earth the Moon looks like a solid object wiith craters that's been proportionally increased in size just like Brandish's Command-T increasing something while maintaining proportions and density.
From the earth the Moon looks like a solid object wiith craters that's been proportionally increased in size just like Brandish's Command-T increasing something while maintaining proportions and density.
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That’s what I think as well
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I just want to reiterate it again that the vagueness pointed out here should be regarding whether she made the Moon come closer or made it bigger.
Not whether it's the real Moon, not whether she effected the real Moon. Unless someone thinks that part is vague too?
As long as it's agreed what she effected and did are real, this feat would be something real and tangible despite the vagueness of what exactly it is.
Given that it's a tangible feat my argument is that enlargement of the Moon can be scaled to AP in case it really has been directly made bigger.
@DemonGodMitchAubin you did say you think the feat itself is definitely something, but do you still feel the same?
Not whether it's the real Moon, not whether she effected the real Moon. Unless someone thinks that part is vague too?
As long as it's agreed what she effected and did are real, this feat would be something real and tangible despite the vagueness of what exactly it is.
Given that it's a tangible feat my argument is that enlargement of the Moon can be scaled to AP in case it really has been directly made bigger.
@DemonGodMitchAubin you did say you think the feat itself is definitely something, but do you still feel the same?
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Also last I checked size manipulation isn't something you can get AP from.
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You can. Her changing the Moon's size is associated with change in gravitatational binding energy of the Moon. (well it's associated with other factors like GPE of interaction with earth too but I'm saying this just to say there is a difference in energy between initial and final states of the system)
It would have excess energy compared to initial state, it's gotta be supplied from somewhere.
And we know Moon getting bigger is the result of Selene's increase in magic power and her magic power is what made it possible. It was also a means used to portray her power.
Unless you can explain why it's not the case
It would have excess energy compared to initial state, it's gotta be supplied from somewhere.
And we know Moon getting bigger is the result of Selene's increase in magic power and her magic power is what made it possible. It was also a means used to portray her power.
Unless you can explain why it's not the case
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I'm inconclusive.
I would LOVE a 5-B top tier level for FT, don't get me wrong, but if the moon really was increased in size in a way that would scale to AP (according to this website, that is), it would've probably had to exhibit realistic gravitational effects and whatnot.
Otherwise it's just like Brandish (who IMO SHOULD scale to her island growing and shrinking feats but I won't challenge this website's verdict).
Also it is kind of an outlier since no God Tier has anything comparable other than probably-hyperbolic statements.
I would LOVE a 5-B top tier level for FT, don't get me wrong, but if the moon really was increased in size in a way that would scale to AP (according to this website, that is), it would've probably had to exhibit realistic gravitational effects and whatnot.
Otherwise it's just like Brandish (who IMO SHOULD scale to her island growing and shrinking feats but I won't challenge this website's verdict).
Also it is kind of an outlier since no God Tier has anything comparable other than probably-hyperbolic statements.
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No reason why it won't be the case unless it's ignoring energy conservation which would be a wacky thing to consider unless implied/shown otherwise.
No reason why it won't be the case unless it's ignoring energy conservation which would be a wacky thing to consider unless implied/shown otherwise.
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I do think Brandish should scale too. But didn't bother about it in her case.
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Well it is definitely a feat, but I have always said to wait for the context and explanation
Which is what I still believe we should do
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ive seen this more consistently calced at like small planet
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Again, one's magic is based around size manipulation, the other just had it as a side effect. Not the same thing.
Also, I think it was agreed that we'd wait for future chapters.
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Fairy Tail: Selene makes the moon bigger
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Why power to the 3rd for that calc
You have the ratio just scale up the GBE
You don't need to do anything else. That'll just inflate it
Anyways:
There should be enough narrative implication that what happened is a moon size increase:
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The context of the feat is unknown, the only statement is from Lucy taking a guess at what her power is
So I say we just wait
So I say we just wait
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Yeah wait we really had a whole ass deliberation on this topic based on a character who knows nothing about how Selene's power works taking a guess, smh.Fairy Tail: Selene makes the moon bigger
Why power to the 3rd for that calc
You have the ratio just scale up the GBE
You don't need to do anything else. That'll just inflate it
Anyways:
There should be enough narrative implication that what happened is a moon size increase:
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Not sure about that, there’s world-destroying statements flying around like confetti so it would be consistent.
Anyways, let’s leave this for now and come back to it later when we have more info.
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curious, what world destroying statements
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1. Acnologia being feared to be able to destroy the world (though this one was already deemed as not being 5-B)
2. Natsu being stated by both Ignia and Aldoron to have the potential to burn the world with his power.
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Burning the wolrd is High 6-A, not 5-B.
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I mean if it ends up destroying it, it'd be 5-B
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do you have both scans on hand?
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Well if she does anything else like moving it, we can calc that.
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I hope she does move it. Since then that would be less problematic and can be scaled to ap
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Well technically Mimi (one of the Moonlit beauty gods) implied it got bigger by saying "Hugeness is justice" but then again it could also be referring to how the Moon looks way bigger in the sky. Whether it be by actually getting bigger or by moving closer or something
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To be honest, Selene (maybe) "feat" wouldn't be an outlier if we used a more realistic approach with the Etherion. Right Mitch? 
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To be honest, Selene (maybe) "feat" wouldn't be an outlier if we used a more realistic approach with the Etherion. Right Mitch?
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It's funny though that my super rough area calculation that we are currently using was pretty close AP's wise to the real thing if we use the old map. (14.39 Pt)
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You’re really just trying to force it now aren’t you?To be honest, Selene (maybe) "feat" wouldn't be an outlier if we used a more realistic approach with the Etherion. Right Mitch?
And this is relevant how?Oh I see... But don't forget then to apply the Ars-Magia Nerf. 'Kay? (^∇^)
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It's just to bother Mitch, we've been waging a war 'bout Etherion on discord for a while now. Don't pay attention to that lol.
e.g: Mitch keeps saying the country getting blasted is not Fiore, so I made that.
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