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Because “upgrades is the way to go” instead of just waiting to see what else could happen as well
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Regarding Selene Enlarging the Moon
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To be the Debby downer of this thread some more, how do we know she increased its mass rather than solely it’s physical size? Because if the mass stayed constant than the GBE would decrease. Also, assuming it did increase its mass proportional to size cubed, does the larger moon exert tidal forces you’d expect from a celestial body that size?
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Not needed
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Yes it’s a weird analogy I will admit but Selene is the pump and the tire is a moon. The reason is similar with Brandosh because something was enlarged but nothing AP related and it was considered as such for hax. Selene is the same way with her magic power just making it bigger is all again same way with Brandish who actually applied magic onto something
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Show me some love then
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Could you not dismiss anyone disagreeing with you as "just wanting upgrades"? You do that a lot.
Also for the fake moon point, the idea of it being a fake moon is, to my knowledge, just headcanon. As said before, Selene stayed in Elentir specifically to indulge in the moon.
We never even saw water nearby so we wouldn't know.
This is actually what makes Selene's case more viable. Brandish was applying her specific magic onto something, which is hax based, whereas the moon's increase in size was literally a side effect of Selene getting serious.
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I asked if anyone thinks it's fake just to address why it isn't fake in case anyone thinks so.
Yeeah def a considerable possibility
Tidal effects haven't been witnessed but it could also be due to inflating magic power or Mashima just not thinking about it
You mean an average density of 3kg/m^3?
Yeeah def a considerable possibility
Tidal effects haven't been witnessed but it could also be due to inflating magic power or Mashima just not thinking about it
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The calculation is not even used in the profiles, so this thread should be in general discussion, no?
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It’s still the same concept though dude. The mere fact that’s it’s getting bigger due to magic is the same way Brandish enlarged something with her magic just done differently.
We should just wait for more chapter to come so we can give something or even better feats
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Given that no one was even near any water, I don't think we can do much with this point.You mean an average density of 3kg/m^3?
Yeeah def a considerable possibility
Tidal effects haven't been witnessed but it could also be due to inflating magic power or Mashima just not thinking about it
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It’s a CRT proposing it’s use… @LIFE_OF_KING
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I explained why the cases are different. Please don't just keep repeating yourself and dragging out the argument.
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Yeah
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Also here's the most important reason why the calc isn't used:
No calc member even accepted it :UsoppLaugh:
No calc member even accepted it :UsoppLaugh:
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True, it should be evaluated before discussion continues.
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Now just steal my emoji
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Personally I think it looks good, it's just a matter of "can we scale this to Selene" and to me, the answer is yes.
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And I just explained why it’s the same concept. Please don’t keep repeating yourself and draggin out the argument.
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You made your point, I addressed it, and then you just repeated the same point. Trying to use what I said doesn't exactly work from you, outside of the fact that it makes you sound rude by mocking what someone said.
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If the Moon being enlarged is considered incalculable then this would be a useless feat considering there's a significantly large possibility that the Moon has been enlarged.
I just wanted to argue in favour of moon being enlarged requiring the AP obtained in the calc
I just wanted to argue in favour of moon being enlarged requiring the AP obtained in the calc
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What in the name of all that is holy is the Roche limit?
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Gravitational pull on the closest point of surface of Moon from Earth and the surface gravity of the Moon are Equal at that distance
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The distance limit between two objects (celestial bodies) where the attraction is so strong that they’d get ripped apart by being near each other, I’ll whip up a calc soon.
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is there the possibility it was moved?
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Elentir's moon doesn't have an orbit as it doesn't wax or wane, this would normally cause the gravitational bodies to eventually collide due to gravitational forces. However we don't see this in the manga so some unforeseen force is holding the moon in place. The Roche Limit wouldn't help either here as we clearly don't see the enlarged moon falling towards the planet.
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Basically if the moon hit its Roche limit distance from earth it would fragment and fall into earth
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Without factoring the binding strength of surface rock, the effective gravitational field at a point on the Moon being zero should already cause it to start disintegrating.
But that wouldn't disintegrate the entire thing, it just starts and for the rest of the points on the Moon the gravitational field by the moon's COM should still be stronger. (well this is assuming the two bodies are stationary bodies at a distance from each other tbf)
I just don't remember whether it's where it just starts disintegrating or where it completely disintegrates. It's been 4-5 years the last time I studied for Astronomy Olympiad in high-school and I took engineering since then
But that wouldn't disintegrate the entire thing, it just starts and for the rest of the points on the Moon the gravitational field by the moon's COM should still be stronger. (well this is assuming the two bodies are stationary bodies at a distance from each other tbf)
I just don't remember whether it's where it just starts disintegrating or where it completely disintegrates. It's been 4-5 years the last time I studied for Astronomy Olympiad in high-school and I took engineering since then
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Lucky you astro is what I study
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It was my interest for a while until I took engineering for a more stable source and likely better of income in computer science.
And astronomy in India isn't great either afaik, I also didn't like leaving India for graduation. IITs have good track record for job offers in engineering so I chose to join it.
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Yeah my two options are research or professor tbh
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Once again, I am completely neutral because we don't have context behind the feat
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Selene's clearly not done yet, so as unfortunate as it is I think it's best just to wait to see what Selene does in the Future. Imo there's no reason to rush this.
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My stance remains the same, but I'm open to closing this and waiting for more chapters.
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The moon certainly couldn't have gotten closer (ie not changed size) because the rigid roche limit for the Earth-Moon system is like ~9000 km, and the moving moon method has it at ~1000 km, meaning if Selene moved it that close it would've torn apart.
However, if it got bigger and stayed the same distance away, it would remain outside the rigid and fluid roche limit. That begs the assumption that the moon increased in mass tho, which is an assumption that should be discussed, given afaik we are only told it increased in size (which could just mean physical length).
Assuming this satellite system functions like Earth-Moon.
However, if it got bigger and stayed the same distance away, it would remain outside the rigid and fluid roche limit. That begs the assumption that the moon increased in mass tho, which is an assumption that should be discussed, given afaik we are only told it increased in size (which could just mean physical length).
Assuming this satellite system functions like Earth-Moon.
Honestly, waiting for Selene to get her abilities entirely explained is the smartest option imo.
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Arc seems to explain it perfectly, however dragon does have a good case for it, but it seems rather vague atm, we should wait.
