Regarding our Lightning Standards´-

[Huesito88]

This seems good

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

This seems alright

 

[Kepekley23]

If it's a literal cloud to ground bolt, it can be said to be real.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think Avatar is also getting affected. Seeing as the MHS thread only proved it was real electricity as opposed to a literal lightning bolt. Unless Iroh using his bending to redirect a real bolt is enough proof.

I think it is proof enough. The way lightning bending works is very similar to real electricity, and the fact that the bending works on real bolts of lightning is also good evidence.

 

[TriforcePower1]

If a character can summon thunders, and people dodge the lightnings, is the feat MHS+?

 

[Kaltias]

@Triforce

If it's from a cloud the bolt is MHS+

 

[Kepekley23]

Manectric should be fine, seeing as the Pokédex states it can form thunderclouds and drop lightning bolts.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Fire Emblem and Golden Sun use Cloud to ground lightning, so we check mark those verses as good to go. I also agree with Matt's input regarding Avatar's lightning, characters summon cloud to ground lightning and then redirect it; so it's technically still a lightning bolt.

 

[Kepekley23]

Avatar should be fine then.

 

[SchroKatze]

Will the whole "able to move as literal lightning" thing still being MHS+?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

So undertale doesn't get affected i think.I agree with this btw.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Persona is getting downgraded tho.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Undertale lightning is literally volcanic lightning fired from clouds.

 

[Dark649]

I agree with this.

 

[Kepekley23]

Volcanic lightning is as fast as thunderclouds lightning, so Undertale is good.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with this.

 

[Antoniofer]

I was getting tiring too of members wanting to bump anyone to MHS level with the only reason of being electricity and that the verse surpassing Room/Building level; people forget to take into considerations the previous requeriments.

A personal addition would be, since there's no AC current (redundancy) in the nature, the electricity needs to be DC; of course, attacks will be considered DC by default, it just affects weapons that use coils, since coils doesn't work with DC.

Futhermore, the 5 billions value is just a value between, lightning bolts has a power output that vary between 12 to 24000 gigawatts.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Wait, so lightning bolts don't have a potency of 1.21 Gigawatts?

 

[Thebluedash]

I agree with this, always thought our lightning standards was prone to be wanked.

 

[XING06]

Just putting it in but I brought up in a different thread last year that the 400000 m/s thing was actually a high end average for lightning speeds. 200000-300000 is actually the median range. The studies I gave were added to the lightning description.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I agree with this.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that DontTalkDT wrote our current standards at my request, and I am not sure what else that we should replace them with.

At the very least, he should be asked to give input here, so I will do so.

 

[Antoniofer]

Wait, so lightning bolts don't have a potency of 1.21 Gigawatts?

Seems pretty low for, any time I look into the internet they have hundreds of gigawatts, with 12 the lower value that I've see (used hypertextbook as reference).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It doesn't matter who wrote them.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I do recall someone mentioning that Town level lightning bolts do exists; those same lightning bolts shattered the peak of a mountain. Obviously a high end that shouldn't be assumed, but something to consider.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Other two verses that may be affected are Zelda and Fairy Tail

 

[Muuuuh]

But as long as real electricity speed, not necessarily being a lightning, for example a character who can absorb electricity from an outlet and use this as an attack?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Just because you absorb energy from a source =/= said attack will be that speed. iirc Solarbeam from Pokemon is an example of this.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

But we consider Solar Beam to be lightspeed, which is why Sunflowmon's attack is lightspeed

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

But we consider Solar Beam to be lightspeed, which is why Sunflowmon's attack is lightspeed

Someone didn't attend the Lightspeed thread for ze mons. ovo

Either way, sunflower banter aside, I guess we'll deal with the verses when we see the issue. I mean there are some obviously in mind.

 

[KinkiestSins]

So in summary, we have the following verses that will be affected (Just writing the ones I see above, not sure if true or not)

-Avatar, the Last Airbender

-Fire Emblem

-RWBY (I have a partial personal disagreement with this one, but I will wait for that crt.)

-Overwatch (I play this game religiously, so yes.)

-Fairy Tail

I might have missed a few, but yeah I agree to some extent.

I dont wanna sound like a fence sitter, but this is obviously a case by case basis.

I will say this, lightning dodging feats most of the time are either very wanked, or very inconsistent in verses, borderline outlier territory.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Why would FT be affected?

 

[KinkiestSins]

Why would FT be affected?

• shrugs*

In my mind, verses that describe lightning in a fair enough way and has some basis in reality get a pass.

Magi did this, did Fairy Tail even hint it was real lightning? (I just woke up, so memory foggy)

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I believe we had a whole thread regarding it or something. Either way, we'll deal with said hurdles when we come to it.

 

[Dark649]

I remember the thread i made about Avatar.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Fire Emblem and Avatar '''Won't''' be affected was what was agreed. RWBY and Overwatch were I heard.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, in any case, removing, rather than rewriting, our standards seems like a very bad idea, as we would be left with no guidelines. I hope that DontTalk will be able to collaborate in finding a solution.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Ant

I mean, treating every single electric attack that shows properties every single electric current has as ~Mach 1300 is extremely lax.

Our standards should be reserved for properties that actually suggest an extremely charged, short discharge traveling at Mach 1,300. Not properties that almost all electrons have.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

While I do understand that part, it's still best to wait for DonTalk's input; maybe he'll either agree or he'll have other details to explain. But his input is valuable either way.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but removing the guidelines page in its entirety, as was mentioned as an option, still seems like a very bad idea, and we still have to work out how to properly redefine our standards.

DontTalk has consistently been very reliable in helping me out with setting up our standards almost since I started improving on this wiki, so I hope that he will be able to collaborate with the rest of the calc group regarding this issue.