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actually, the entire "Flash's dura depends on speed" is pure headcanon. This is what should be removed from the profile. And the reason full flash's dura scales to AP is cause his arm doesn't break when he punches someone in that state
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Regarding Flashes durability
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And there's nothing explicitly stating that Speed Force removes the third law ever. In fact, if you ignore the three laws, he should be capable of tanking literally any attack, so lol
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Fancy words, yet none proves his durability scales to his ap via hax and ED. If you got scans from an actual canon comics, send it out way and it would make their justifications better.
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https://media.discordapp.net/attach...71/988506656155525140/2022-06-20_2.12.16_.png
And pretty sure him physically ripping Anti-Monitor apart wasn't hax or ED.
And Bart Allen using the entirety of Speed Force to beat up SBP means you can just convert Speed Force to physical energy
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Interesting, now lets see the source.
Anyway, not AP
Pre Crisis
Yes, except you missed that Bart Allen is different. Completely different case than usual Flashes. Also, I will need to recheck the specifics, because pretty sure it was some sort of hax.
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As far as I recall, post-Crisis Wally West was the one who punched big holes in the Anti-Monitor, but I think that the Flash characters have usually been shown as vulnerable to comparatively conventional damage even when running at very high speeds. It is not quite my area though.
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It wasn't Pre Crisis, it was Post Crisis Wally travelling into Pre-Crisis.
And the first scan implied Barry used the Speed Force to beat the shit out of Thawne
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Here you go, mate. At best, this is his only feat and he isn't amping himself via speed force, and is basically an outlier for him.
Flash 87 #150 btw
Flash 87 #150 btw
I realised that now.
Uh, did you even read the comic?
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Been a while since I read Flashpoint, pretty sure Barry stopping Thawne was off-panel? It starts with Barry already in the flashpoint timeline.
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You might wanna reread, more specifically the build-up to it. There is nothing AP wise here. He is just talking about coming through time and "stops" him before killing his mother.
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Was him stopping Thawne actually shown?
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Well, that’s the scan I showed you, lol. It doesn’t exactly show Barry stopping Eobard, but it states he uses all of speed force after he finds RF. Implying he uses it to overpower him
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you are clearly ignoring the context of the whole arc lol. But no, there wasn't anything physical, at least nothing shown. And even if it was, there is no indication anything tier 2 happened. But again, he isn't talking about bringing down the SF all at once to fight him physically, just that he travelled through time.
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Thawne said he only used SF after he tracked him down
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And that proves what exactly?
Before making some AP claims, I would recommend you actually read the comic. Since you weren't even able to source your original scan.
Before making some AP claims, I would recommend you actually read the comic. Since you weren't even able to source your original scan.
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I took the scan from Death Battle because it was at the tip of my tongue. And I read Flashpoint five years ago in a different language
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Anyway, he explicitly states that Barry used all of SF after tracking Thawne down. For what reason would he use it here other than beating the shit out of him?
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Bart implies that absorbing SF is something all speedsters could try, but Bart is the most fit person to do this. He even said that wally could do it, but he has his family to think about .Since then, both Barry and Wally grew strong enough to absorb all of SF without a threat to their lives
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Also again, nothing suggests there was anything AP wise involved. Thawne was a glass canon throughout the entire arc, literally.
And even if he did become tier 2 - which he didn't - then what? It doesn't prove anything regarding what this revision is about or any scaling for that matter.
No idea what you are trying to say or say or imply here. Can you elaborate properly?
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he already time travelled by the time he absorbed all of SF
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Not exactly. Thawne was standing still when Batman stabbed in the back because he was too busy gloating to Barry
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Again, if you are trying to say flash used the entire SF to increase his AP - which he obviously didn't - you need to some proper proof - which again, there is none of.
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Nothing so far.
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Basically this. There is 0 proof that they scale to their AP since their max dura feat is around 4B or so. So, they need to lose their tier 2 and 1 duras, except for pre crisis flash
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The scan for Thawne getting stopped
This is important since during this instance, Eobard specifically said Barry pulled the entire Speed Force into him (Flashpoint #5), meaning that Eobard here tanked a fully Speed Force amped punch.
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Wouldn't that make Thawne Tier 2? Thawne is consistently on the level of base Barry or Wally.
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Thawne wasn't really amped by anything on that level, so it's probably an outlier for him
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Can barely read the scan, can you post a new one and this time with source attached?
Also, again, I have no idea why you are assuming that's ap/durability thing? Can you actually clarify your thoughts here? You have repeated the same thing multiple times and I have no idea what you are really trying to do here.
And once again, the point is, prove that Barry with the entire SF is tier 2 physically. That's what you are not actually proving but just pretending her is.
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There's a difference between using all of Speed Force and absorbing it. Barry was stated to pull in, as in absorb, all of Speed Force, same thing Bart did. And when Bart did it, his stats were explicitly amped to the point of defeating Superboy-Prime. And no, it isn't different for Bart, because Bart explicitly said Wally could do it too, but it's too risky as Wally has a family to take care of
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Readable version of the aforementioned scan. The citation is DC Universe: Rebirth.
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Proof? No, really. Where is the proof that he was amped the same level as Bart.
Let's go through this bit by bit. Here is the actual fight between him and flashes - basically all flash fam. IC #4.
Then he comes back and well... He gets stupid amount of anti feats and rarely any feat on his own level. Like here, MMH was able to hurt him - look at his expression. Oh, and he wasn't strong enough to one shot a barely 4B character, Cassie - who was fine a few moments later. Oh, and look at what Superboy did to him - another low end 4B character. - IC#6
Bart vs Prime again - this happens literally moments after he is fighting almost equally against Conner. And a bit later Guy hurts him too. And then moments later he fights some tier 2 characters. Laughably inconsistent. And all happen literally within 10 or 15 pages of IC #7
again, how so? You have yet to show any proof of this, but keep repeating the same thing
Scans please. Also source
Same as above.
And please prove how him absorbing the SF is the same level as becoming tier 2 - aside from SBP scaling, which is literally the most inconsistent shit throughout this event. And ofc, why it scales to their dura. And again, fighting a laughably tier 4 dude - SBP here - doesn't count.
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Here is the scan, literally what we have on the page.
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And yes, SBP is inconsistent, but still treated as a very serious cosmic threat. And the classic excuse here, "everybody fights everybody", doesn't really work here, since it was a pretty big plot point that Bart needed to absorb Speed Force to defeat Superboy Prime.
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Source? I am not gonna read it without source man. Because I know for a fact there is a clear cut context missing here
And again, this doesn't mean tier 2 ap and dura tho? You have yet to actually prove this. That is what I am looking for. Plus the scan sorta talks about speed rather than actual AP
Mate, have you actually read Infinite Crisis? Like I hate the phrase everybody fights everybody but that thing is literally that phrase incranate. SPB, aside from reality punch and the last fight against OG superman, his every other feat is consistently tier 4.
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Source? It's on the freaking profile. Go remove it if you don't like it. Anyway, The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive Vol 1 #6, January 2007
And I'm not talking about feats, I'm talking about how he is treated in-story - a clear cosmic threat. And in the context of Bart Allen, he's absorbing, you know, an extra dimensional universe into himself just to fight the guy. Pretty sure he's treated as very impressive here.
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