Regarding Characters who can kill Nonexistent Beings

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So we have many verses where we have characters who can kill beings labeled as nonexistent beings. However, I have noticed that we have never actually stated this on many files. As such we should likely add "Can kill nonexistent beings" to those files. Or do we call that Nonexistence Erasure? Either way it needs to be added.

Verses I know will be effected.

• Digimon

• Kingdom Hearts

• Chrono Trigger

• Shin Megami Tensei

• Final Fantasy lll

• Marvel

• Under Night In-Birth

On the topic of Nonexistence Erasure, I think we need a page for this ability.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I can definitely try to make that page. Hell, I actually did some work on it to make it a page on the Superpower wiki.

I think they can both be listed as Nonexistence Erasure, but specifying what they can do with it (Like Sora can't just erase nothingness directly, he can only destroy Nobodies).

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

We could possibly have 2 types.

Type 1: Can erase nonexistence directly.

Type 2: Can only erase nonexistent beings. (Most would qualify for this)

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

We could possibly have 2 types.
Type 1: Can erase nonexistence directly.

Type 2: Can only erase nonexistent beings. (Most would qualify for this)

I like this idea.

 

[VoidGoji]

I agree with dragon.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Not sure if it's needed as a full blown power? I'd say this would fit better as general void manipulation. Either way you're affecting void, just not in the same way.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean we apparently already list Void Manipulation and Nonexistence Erasure/Manipulation as two different things.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Pretty sure that's just a justification. But really, it should just be a higher level fo Void Manip rather than its own power. Especially since most cases of this aren't explicit power and more like author screw up.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Btw, this is something I've been meaning to ask. What's to stop a character like Dialga (using him because he was the first character I could think of who restored existences before and not out of bias, if that's what you're thinking ovo) from making a nonexistent character into an existent one and then incapacitating or even killing them? They wouldn't necessarily resurrect as death and nonexistence aren't necessarily the same thing.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean, technically Nonexistent Physiology and Existence Erasure are Void Manipulation as well, but we treat it as another power. Not to mention erasing people from nonexistence is not listed on the Void Manipulation page. I mean, author screw ups aside, this has become a solid power over time. I see no issue in making this a separate power of its own. Especially seeing as we are already spreading it out.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Cal That would require Dialga to actually take the nonexistent existence and specifically make it existent instead of just making a being that's the same as the nonexistent one.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's also a power that needs pretty heavy clarification, considering how heavily the qualifications for "nonexistence" are between verses.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

"Erasing nonexistence"

This always kills me inside. When you're nonexistent, you're gone. As gone as gone gets. You're more gone than anyone ever could be if you are truly, utterly nonexistent. You can't erase that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Saik, Dialga's an example. Not saying he'd do that if he fought Lavos or Apocalymon.

Btw, I've actually seen this done before with that SCP who's a little girl.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It's also a power that needs pretty heavy clarification, considering how heavily the qualifications for "nonexistence" are between verses.

Could you explain more on this one?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Could you explain more on this one?

The way most verses describe nonexistence is as some variation of "does not exist in a conventional sense", not "does not exist at all in any capacity". These are extremely different, and "nonexistence erasure" is almost exclusively used on things that fall under the former. This should be made clear.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ah yeah, I understand that. I should note that we did explain different types of Nonexistent Physiology as well. For reference.

But yes, this should be specified.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump

 

[The_Everlasting]

I do still say that this needs a page.

 

[Reppuzan]

I'll see if I can write a page for this later.