Record Of Ragnarok Discussion Thread #1

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Can you elaborate on what you mean

I believe the statement said something like “it exceeds 200km” or something like that. Not that it’s being swung at 200km

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

As i've already said Ares having relativistic perception speed doesnt automatically give him or any of the fighters rel combat or reaction speed, since someones perception speed can and almost always is far greater than their other forms of speed. The only characters that scale to his perception are Poseidon and Apollo

Heracles

 

[Giannysmag]

I believe the statement said something like “it exceeds 200km” or something like that. Not that it’s being swung at 200km

The translation i was given here is that it reaches 200kmh while, other translations say it exceeds 200 kmh. Either way saying that something exceeds a certain value usually means by a small margine not millions of times over, otherwise the stated value becomes meaningless

Heracles

Heracles as far as we know never perception blitzed Ares, they were actually pretty even

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Heracles as far as we know never perception blitzed Ares, they were actually pretty even

If they're even then their perception should be as well

Heracles does compare to Jack the Ripper so I guess it doesn't matter too much

 

[Giannysmag]

If they're even then their perception should be as well

Heracles does compare to Jack the Ripper so I guess it doesn't matter too much

Yea every god would scale to Ares in perception speed, it just doesnt mean anything for their combat/reaction/movement speeds

 

[PowerToScale]

In the same page that the 200kmh value is mentioned it describes the technique as a strike of godly quickness. Its pretty clearly trying to hype up that level of speed as impressive. Also again why would the 200 kmh be mentioned when talking about present Kojiro if he is several million times faster than it at this point

To showcase that the human fighters are superhuman in nature already. It'd showing that Kojiro was a strong and capable fighter before ragnarok. It's like how Lu Bu can split the sky but in raganrok he's fighting planetary gods who are a hundreds of thousands times stronger.

 

[Giannysmag]

To showcase that the human fighters are superhuman in nature already. It'd showing that Kojiro was a strong and capable fighter before ragnarok. It's like how Lu Bu can split the sky but in raganrok he's fighting planetary gods who are a hundreds of thousands times stronger.

Alright that's fair. But the 200kmh isn't even really my main issue with the speed scaling. My main issue is that we scale everyones' combat speed from Ares' perception speed.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The translation i was given here is that it reaches 200kmh while, other translations say it exceeds 200 kmh. Either way saying that something exceeds a certain value usually means by a small margine not millions of times over, otherwise the stated value becomes meaningless

Depends on the context, but consider how fast posiden is supposed to be I wouldn’t be surprised if it was far faster and if it’s not then it’s just an inconsistency

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Depends on the context, but consider how fast posiden is supposed to be I wouldn’t be surprised if it was far faster and if it’s not then it’s just an inconsistency

Poseidon is shown to go faster and faster over the course of the fight and was probably deeply underestimating Kojirō after his introduction. He was probably surprised that he could attack so fast

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

I'll collect some feats from the first three rounds plus the Jack the Ripper spin-off

Round 4 Speed feats:
Heracles dodges Jack's grappling hook

Round 5 Speed feats (They suck):

Raiden lunches himself at Shiva

Shiva and Rudra create a shockwave that clear the sky(?)

Shiva creates a lot of afterimages (Also moves fast enough to catch on fire)

Torokichi moves fast enough to be a blur

Round 6:

Buddha creates a bunch of afterimages

Zerofuku creates a shockwave (Buddha also dodges it)

Buddha dodges Zerofuku's axe at the last second (The attack moves fast enough it its a blur)

Buddha moves faster than the eye can see

Pāpīyas's attack breaks the sound barrier(?)

 

[Giannysmag]

Round 4 Speed feats:
Heracles dodges Jack's grappling hook

Round 5 Speed feats (They suck):

Raiden lunches himself at Shiva

Shiva and Rudra create a shockwave that clear the sky(?)

Shiva creates a lot of afterimages (Also moves fast enough to catch on fire)

Torokichi moves fast enough to be a blur

Round 6:

Buddha creates a bunch of afterimages

Zerofuku creates a shockwave (Buddha also dodges it)

Buddha dodges Zerofuku's axe at the last second (The attack moves fast enough it its a blur)

Buddha moves faster than the eye can see

Pāpīyas's attack breaks the sound barrier(?)

You are doing gods work

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Jack the Ripper: Case Files

Jack creates after images

Mr Fog blocks some bullets (Jack scales for now since he dodged attacks from him)

Round 7

Qin Shi Huang throws Ares before he can react

Qin creates after images

Chun Yan is fast (Qin should be above her in term of ability and power due to being selected for the tournament)

Hades creates sonic booms with his attacks(?)

Ares creates an afterimage

Beelzebub attacks before a monster can react

 

[PowerToScale]

Looking over these briefly, some are valid examples of speed feats but some are iffy. Mainly when it comes to the sonic boom. It's something I've seen on the Wiki not all shockwaves/sonic boom looking shockwaves are sonic booms simple because fiction like to use those effects to display a lot of things. So simple because it looks like a sonic boom it doesn't mean it is. regardless they all scale above these levels of feats anways.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Looking over these briefly, some are valid examples of speed feats but some are iffy. Mainly when it comes to the sonic boom. It's something I've seen on the Wiki not all shockwaves/sonic boom looking shockwaves are sonic booms simple because fiction like to use those effects to display a lot of things. So simple because it looks like a sonic boom it doesn't mean it is. regardless they all scale above these levels of feats anways.

That's why I put a question mark, cause I'm not entirely sure

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Got bored and decided to mess around with a wheel spinner to decide which god and which human would fight

Round 1: King Leonidas vs Anubis
Round 2: Lü Bu vs Hades
Round 3: Kojirō Sasaki vs Loki
Round 4: Nikola Tesla vs Apollo
Round 5: Qin Shi Huang vs Odin
Round 6: Kintoki Sataka vs Zerofuku
Round 7: Jack the Ripper vs Susano'o-no-Mikoto
Round 8: Raiden Tameemon vs Heracles
Round 9: Michel Nostradamus vs Beelzebub
Round 10: Simo Häyhä vs Shiva
Round 11: Grigori Rasputin vs Thor
Round 12: Adam vs Zeus
Round 13: Buddha vs Poseidon

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Got bored and decided to mess around with a wheel spinner to decide which god and which human would fight

Round 1: King Leonidas vs Anubis

Haven't seen yet

Round 2: Lü Bu vs Hades

Lu Bu probably, since he'd actually be able to contest in a match of pure strength, Sky Eater will probably do too much damage to withstand

Round 3: Kojirō Sasaki vs Loki

Also haven't seen Loki fight

Round 4: Nikola Tesla vs Apollo

Apollo maybe

Round 5: Qin Shi Huang vs Odin

Even though we haven't seen Odin fight I'd still bet on him winning

Round 6: Kintoki Sataka vs Zerofuku

Haven't seen Kintoki fight

Round 7: Jack the Ripper vs Susano'o-no-Mikoto

Ditto but for Susanoo

Round 8: Raiden Tameemon vs Heracles

Now this? I'd actually go with Raiden more times than not

Round 9: Michel Nostradamus vs Beelzebub

No Simo feats yet but, maybe?

Round 10: Simo Häyhä vs Shiva

God damn still no sign of Simo

Round 11: Grigori Rasputin vs Thor

Bruh, no Rasputin stuff yet

Round 12: Adam vs Zeus

Lmao, this is destiny

Round 13: Buddha vs Poseidon

Buddha probably

 

[Giannysmag]

Round 1: King Leonidas vs Anubis

We dont know

Round 2: Lü Bu vs Hades

They are pretty comparable in practically every way but i think Desmos would win a clash with Sky Eater so i give it to Hades

Round 3: Kojirō Sasaki vs Loki

We don't know, but my gut tells me Kojiro

Round 4: Nikola Tesla vs Apollo

My glorious king Nikola Tesla wins. His attacks are comparaed to Hades in power while Apollo has pretty much no AP scaling. Tesla step plus teleportation is also a hard counter to the golden arrows and Appollo doesnt have any attacks that could disrupt it

Round 5: Qin Shi Huang vs Odin

We dont know, but my gut says Odin

Round 6: Kintoki Sataka vs Zerofuku

We dont know, but my gut says Kintoki

Round 7: Jack the Ripper vs Susano'o-no-Mikoto

We dont know

Round 8: Raiden Tameemon vs Heracles

Gonna go Heracles, bro is ******* tank, meanwhile Raiden gets damaged by just using his own muscles to much

Round 9: Michel Nostradamus vs Beelzebub

We dont know

Round 10: Simo Häyhä vs Shiva

We dont know

Round 11: Grigori Rasputin vs Thor

We dont know

Round 12: Adam vs Zeus

We saw the fight

Round 13: Buddha vs Poseidon

We dont really know the limits for the level of speed Buddha can react to using FS, but i'm still giving it to Buddha

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

My glorious king Nikola Tesla wins. His attacks are comparaed to Hades in power while Apollo has pretty much no AP scaling. Tesla step plus teleportation is also a hard counter to the golden arrows and Appollo doesnt have any attacks that could disrupt it

Bro got compared to a Hades who wasn't trying to kill Beelzebub and didn't even use any of his special moves to beat him

 

[Giannysmag]

Bro got compared to a Hades who wasn't trying to kill Beelzebub and didn't even use any of his special moves to beat him

The shockwaves from Hades' casual attacks can damage the most durable Volund. Tesla being even remotely comparable to him gives him insanely high AP, certinely higher than anything you could give Apollo

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

The shockwaves from Hades' casual attacks can damage the most durable Volund. Tesla being even remotely comparable to him gives him insanely high AP, certinely higher than anything you could give Apollo

Hades was trying to kill Qin, unlike with Beelzebub

 

[Giannysmag]

Idk man look at bro's face, he is definately at least trying

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Idk man look at bro's face, he is definately at least trying

He's just being goofy

 

[Giannysmag]

He's just being goofy

Such a silly goose

 

[AnAverageUsername]

None stand up to the GOAT Lu Bu

 

[Giannysmag]

None stand up to the GOAT Lu Bu

Wasaki Goatjiro negs

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

None stand up to the GOAT Lu Bu

Bro's entire origin is that he's built different

He has a cool dad as well

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Wasaki Goatjiro negs

Kojiro was a warrior, therefor Lu Bu scales above as "The Strongest Goat Warrior"

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Giannysmag]

Alright i wanna see yalls ranking of the fighters from least to most favourite

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Lü Bu speed feats

Massively superior to Sun Jian who can move faster than the eye can see and can create after images

Lü Bu kills a bunch of ************* before they can react

Lü Bu rides the lightning

Lü Bu deflects and dodges crossbow arrows

Red Hare and Lü Bu race

Child Lü Bu moves faster than the eye can see and creates after images

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Faster than his father who intercepted arrows

Teenage Lü Bu creates afterimages

Contended with Cesc who created after images

Defeated Gryps who killed Tanaos before he could react

Also, I feel as if Lü Bu should get keys for when he was 9 and 17 since they have a decent amount of feats

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Is there any other human (besides Adam) that comes close to Lu Bu when alive?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Is there any other human (besides Adam) that comes close to Lu Bu when alive?

No, bro was just that guy

 

[Giannysmag]

Is there any other human (besides Adam) that comes close to Lu Bu when alive?

Raiden was technically stronger but he couldn't use his power without dying, other than him yea LuBu clears

Edit: Nostradamus was able to destroy the Bifrost without a Volundr stat amp, so he might end up being stronger

 

[Giannysmag]

Since we were on the topic of LuBu here's how well i think he does against each fighter

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Since we were on the topic of LuBu here's how well i think he does against each fighter

Doesn't Buddah's whole gimmick fall apart if his opponent doesn't show a single sign of fear in them? Lu Bu just doesn't, right?

also overwhelming strength >>> speed

 

[Giannysmag]

No, Buddha's future sight doesn't work if his opponint soul is veiled in darkness, which as far as we know only happened with Hajun a literal ancient demon monster

 

[AnAverageUsername]

No, Buddha's future sight doesn't work if his opponint soul is veiled in darkness, which as far as we know only happened with Hajun a literal ancient demon monster

Ah I remember, and Hajun crying like a loser is the darkness going away

I mean I'd still say that Lu Bu beats Buddah, Kojiro, and Poseidon, but loses to Shiva

 

[Giannysmag]

Shiva is definately the type of person to try and block sky eater with his bare hands only to get sliced in two

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Since we were on the topic of LuBu here's how well i think he does against each fighter

I think he beats the buddha. Zero nirvana is not something he can access normally, and the only thing he really can are his eyes.

I don't think any of the buddha's equipment (aside from the scythe) did much damage to lubu.

Lubu has more experience, combat skills, can close wounds with muscular control, and also has combat foresight. I don't think Buddha could do as much damage with just a few attacks as Thor. In the end lubu will probably use the sky eater and buddha will probably try to use the shield since the attack is probably unavoidable considering the range, and I'm almost certain that the sky eater will destroy the shield along with the buddha.

Of course, without forgetting the power of lubu volund.

The shield would be instantly broken.
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Against Sasaki, I think Lu Bu can fire up a lot of attacks during the fight, but he will end up not hitting Sasaki because of his ability to predict and evolve, even if Sasaki is stupid and tries to block an attack from Lubu.

Anyway, Lubu has resistance to analytical prediction with Sky Eater, so he has this surprise attack advantage along with power and range that I don't think Sasaki would be able to deal with.