Record Of Ragnarok Discussion Thread #1

[AnAverageUsername]

Thor is expected, besides, as I said, apart from the zenon comic's promotional page, he is """"""""only"""""""" as the strongest Norse/supreme Norse.

Oh but I'm just guessing that it's going to end with Odin being = with Zeus, so that would make Thor upscale as the "Supreme Norse God"

Lubu that is

I don't follow

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I don't follow

That's a compliment to him.

 

[Giannysmag]

He's not winning

Don't doubt the GOAT like that

He high diffs the supreme Norse bum

 

[AnAverageUsername]

That's a compliment to him.

Ah, so Lu Bu beats any other fighters who's name isn't Zeus, Thor, Shiva, or Adam?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Don't doubt the GOAT like that

He high diffs the supreme Norse bum

Bros best attack was negated by Beezlebub

 

[Giannysmag]

Bros best attack was negated by Beezlebub

Which only serves to upscale Weelzbub

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Which only serves to upscale Weelzbub

True

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Ah, so Lu Bu beats any other fighters who's name isn't Zeus, Thor, Shiva, or Adam?

I don't know.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

True

Especially with the guy having a shield capable of blocking Mjölnir.

So any statement involving statistics that is made to Odin or Loki will cause Thor to scale, and therefore cause Bel's shield to scale.

 

[Giannysmag]

Especially with the guy having a shield capable of blocking Mjölnir.

So any statement involving statistics that is made to Odin or Loki will cause Thor to scale, and therefore cause Bel's shield to scale.

Beelzebub already blocked a bloodlusted strike from Odin, man is the closest to Zeus/Adam level out of every fighter and you can't convince me otherwise

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Especially with the guy having a shield capable of blocking Mjölnir.

So any statement involving statistics that is made to Odin or Loki will cause Thor to scale, and therefore cause Bel's shield to scale.

Just go around the shield, 5‐head strategy

 

[AnonymousBlank]

With how they talk about Beel’s shield, it’s not referring to Awakened Mjölnir and is only blocking base … not that that matters because all the statements for Mjölnir being the strongest attack were about its base since nobody knew how strong Awakened was. Thor is simply top 1 when it comes to the bonk.

Also it’s crazy that Okita > Zeus and Pos if he scales to Susanoo, the Strongest God Slayer, in anyway.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

With how they talk about Beel’s shield, it’s not referring to Awakened Mjölnir and is only blocking base … not that that matters because all the statements for Mjölnir being the strongest attack were about its base since nobody knew how strong Awakened was. Thor is simply top 1 when it comes to the bonk.

Also it’s crazy that Okita > Zeus and Pos if he scales to Susanoo, the Strongest God Slayer, in anyway.

Does God slayer refer to just Shinto gods, or every god

 

[AnonymousBlank]

They just said strongest God Slayer so the default assumption would be in general. But e know that RoR likes specifying things like always mentioning the pantheons gods belong to. The fact they didn’t specify the statement so far lends credence to him just being one of the goat.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Also it’s crazy that Okita > Zeus and Pos if he scales to Susanoo, the Strongest God Slayer, in anyway.

Zeus nor Poseidon are God Slayers. Susano is a god slayer and is the strongest among them.

It would be as if you said that Okita is > lubu (who is considered the strongest in humanity) because Okita is the strongest human slayer.

 

[Giannysmag]

With how they talk about Beel’s shield, it’s not referring to Awakened Mjölnir and is only blocking base … not that that matters because all the statements for Mjölnir being the strongest attack were about its base since nobody knew how strong Awakened was. Thor is simply top 1 when it comes to the bonk.

Also it’s crazy that Okita > Zeus and Pos if he scales to Susanoo, the Strongest God Slayer, in anyway.

Susanoo > Zeus when he hasn't even fought yet is crazy

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I don't think there's a guy who will really surpass Zeus (at his maximum power) in Ragnarok, maybe if there's a twist with Odin.

But Zeus is always getting glory in the manga even when it's a flashback of other fighters, or when he has a super technique and a statement comes "no one could deal with this attack, only I could (like the Apollo thing)"

 

[Giannysmag]

Fr there's so many narrative implications for Zeus being the strongest and that's not even accounting for stuff like TFTST or the Adamas form

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Susanoo > Zeus when he hasn't even fought yet is crazy

Join the wave, its peak lmfao.

I don't think there's a guy who will really surpass Zeus (at his maximum power) in Ragnarok, maybe if there's a twist with Odin.

But Zeus is always getting glory in the manga even when it's a flashback of other fighters, or when he has a super technique and a statement comes "no one could deal with this attack, only I could (like the Apollo thing)"

I’d hope Zeus was getting hyped up in a bunch of backstories considering a quarter of the fighters are Greek and two thirds of the peanut gallery are too. It’s a literal crime if there wasn’t people on their knees for Zeus half of the story so far.

 

[Giannysmag]

Join the wave, its peak lmfao.

Nah i'm keeping my hype levels down till Wanubis fights

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I do wish there was more variety in gods included. 5 Greek gods? A bit much isn't it.

 

[Giannysmag]

As much as i love Apollo, he is definately the most expendable of the Greeks in terms of being on the roster. He should have been sawpped out for either another Egyptian god or an Aztec god

 

[AnAverageUsername]

As much as i love Apollo, he is definately the most expendable of the Greeks in terms of being on the roster. He should have been sawpped out for either another Egyptian god or an Aztec god

Or Hades.

 

[Giannysmag]

Hades at least completes the trio with Zeus and Poseidon (who are must haves on the roster) so i think it's fine for him to stay

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Fr there's so many narrative implications for Zeus being the strongest and that's not even accounting for stuff like TFTST or the Adamas form

We will see.

He entered the tournament to decide the strongest in the universe and his father beat the guy who was already the strongest in the universe. He didn't take a hit in the matches before the final and was only hit by his father once, which was through the fist that exceeded time.

He became the chief/supreme god of the Greek world, and after the gigantomachi he became the chief/supreme god of gods in general. He has the title of almighty god both within the series and on the covers of the volumes.

The right hand of the gods is considered the most powerful blow and is usually an unavoidable one hit kill.

And in relation to the Adamas mode, it is a mode that Loki himself says is super rare to appear, and not even Ares (the guy who lives next to Zeus in the Greek world and has participated in wars with him) is unaware of it. In addition to Shiva's bonus implication of destroying the sky.

The old man is the GOAT, there's no way.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Keep Apollo and ditch Pos and Hades. Zeus is the MacDaddy of Greece, and both Herc and Apollo are the next strongest and were written like MCs in the myths. Pos and Hades might be more well known than Apollo but after seeing what they did with them in RoR, get those vanilla flavoured bums out of here. 4 Olympians was too much from the beginning and the moment we had the chance to get another Pantheon or smth, we got Hades instead smh.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Leaks are out

Spoiler

Not much to talk about other than that Susano'o is an Okita fanboy

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Leaks are out

Spoiler

Not much to talk about other than that Susano'o is an Okita fanboy

Spoiler

probably the author self inserting

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Spoiler

Susano'o was the one to pick the arena, replicating to be Kyoto, not just in the Bakumatsu period, but specifically after the Ikedaya Incident

Also height difference

 

[PowerToScale]

Spoiler

Susano'o was the one to pick the arena, replicating to be Kyoto, not just in the Bakumatsu period, but specifically after the Ikedaya Incident

Also height difference

6 foot vs 5'11

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So is the author going to use pages from the Shinsengumi Manga for Okita's flashbacks

 

[Giannysmag]

I'm curious what you guys think

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I'm curious what you guys think

Okita arguably already is at Kojiro’s level or has surpassed it.

Based on Heimdall’s intro for Okita, “manslaying” in this context refers to the “peak of kenjutsu”, ie swordsmanship in general according to Susanoo’s intro (apparently nobody has ever used a sword before this guy?). We know Susanoo was paying attention to the previous matches and humanity’s progress in kenjutsu and he states that they mastered manslaying in Bakumatsu where Goatkita reigned supreme. In other words, Susanoo says Okita > Kojiro in swordsmanship which is also consistent with Heimdall’s statement that

The peak of Kenjustsu was reached with the art of “Manslaying”.

Note that this doesn’t actually account for TID since that isn’t Kojiro’s swordsmanship but his method of learning so it’s not as if Okita > Kojiro in a fight by default. It really comes down to how Kojiro’s possible commentary/reactions go while watching Okita. If he is being shocked by what the murder midget does, that’s a wrap since his precog isn’t enough to bridge the gap in their skill.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Okita is deadliest swordsman and Kojirō is the more skilled

From the perspective of Susano'o, who invented the art, Okita is better swordsman in that he wields the blade in the way its intended to be used. To slaughter.

In the Record of Ragnarok universe Kojirō had a kill count of zero prior to his fight with Poseidon. Kojirō's only goal was to fight and improve upon himself and was known for constantly losing. Okita was a monster, a prodigy with the blade from a young age, killing was a second nature to him so much so that he was considered a demon.

Kojirō is the greatest swordsman, Okita is the greatest manslayer (Hitokiri)

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Okita is deadliest swordsman and Kojirō is the more skilled

From the perspective of Susano'o, who invented the art, Okita is better swordsman in that he wields the blade in the way its intended to be used. To slaughter.

In the Record of Ragnarok universe Kojirō had a kill count of zero prior to his fight with Poseidon. Kojirō's only goal was to fight and improve upon himself and was known for constantly losing. Okita was a monster, a prodigy with the blade from a young age, killing was a second nature to him so much so that he was considered a demon.

Kojirō is the greatest swordsman, Okita is the greatest manslayer (Hitokiri)

You know, with Susanoo's contant appraisal of Okita, seems kinda odd to guess he would lose now right? Unless the author is making it obvious?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[AnonymousBlank]

This is honestly a real toss up match narratively. Since Ragnarok will presumably reach R13, it would logically follow that Susanoo would lose because then there is still some level of stakes to be had. On the other hand, Okita is a goddamn parade with all the death flags he is waving around so it really makes you wonder, will the authors sacrifice any future tension by following through on Okita’s foreshadowed death or go the “predictable” route and have him win? Last time I didn’t know who was going to win was back in R4 so them being able to recreate the same variability as before is nice.

 

[Giannysmag]

I would honestly be flabbergasted if Okita lost.
Susanoo winning would destroy all future tension since if humanity would have to win all the next rounds to not be out of the tournament.
We are coming off of a 2 win streak for the gods.
Okita is an author favourite.
Okita has his own custom stage.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Okita has a custom stage? No no no. Susanoo has his own custom stage

But yeah. The only other option is for an almost tie (I refuse to accept an actual tie) where Okita technically wins but just barely, dying not long after Susanoo does.