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Reconstructing The White Hot Room
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This scan says it all. The WHR is:
- Elemental Cosmic Heart
- Excelso Prae Omnibus Aliis
- Mysterium Tremendum
- White-Hot Room of Secret Fire
Eternity is 1A now. Why THR can not be? There are no arguments for it not to be at least for now.
There will likely be since the substance they stole from WHR will play a role.
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Isn't that retconed?
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Even then, phoenix is different than them
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Right, but to give my thoughts from above— the far shore is rated as 1-A and is the justification for Eternity’s tier to a degree. The mystery is further than the far shore, and the WHR is the same thing as it. I don’t really like a “likely 1-A” rating, since there is a scan showing us how far the WHR goes, and then Doom explaining to us that it is the Mystery.
Given blatant evidence like that, I don’t think a likely is needed. But if others want it, then we can compromise.
Given blatant evidence like that, I don’t think a likely is needed. But if others want it, then we can compromise.
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Once more, I agree. I see no reason why The Phoenix & Jean aren’t 1-A.
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TLT's rating is wrong. The reason he was considered inferior back then was because of the involvement of TOAA and also because the "hierarchy" wasn't concrete. TLT is back to his old position, which means, he transcends Multi Eternity again.
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That’s generally because the White Phoenix (the only one who could transcend the hierarchy to that degree) has only been in a few comics, so a lot of her feats come from different comics here and there. As you see with Sword, and then just casually dropping tht the WHR is on that level.
However Jeans conversation with Death, is a good example of how vital she is to the hierarchy’s structure.
However Jeans conversation with Death, is a good example of how vital she is to the hierarchy’s structure.
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No, in the exact comic Molecule Man explains why this is the temporary state of the multiverse, some wants to change it, others not so much. But in doc strange, when the Hierarchy has been set in stones, it's back to normal.
In addition, the whole Logos arc was about the weak hierarchy and how they wanted to set a new one in stones but were stopped.
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Okay. I am not a fan of mixing different cosmologies like that, but we unfortunately do not have a choice for the moment.
I suppose that it is fine.
From what I recall, only the universal Eternity was compared to the Tribunal in Mark Waid's Doctor Strange.
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Nah, multiversal. Strange said he was above multiversal
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Can you show the scan please? I was thinking of the "Galactus eats the local universe" story.
That is correct, yes.
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Nothing was mentioned about this Eternity being the multiversal version here, and it was explicitly stated in other parts of this comic book that Galactus destroying the universe made Eternity unable to know anything that Strange himself does not know, since that was the only consciousness that he could draw upon for thought.
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Okay. I will do so. Tell me here when you are done.
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Why isn’t jeans lifting, and striking strength the same as her tier for the Phoenix? All her attributes scale equally, since it’s via transcendence. Her lifting strength should be immeasurable, and her striking strength should match her tiers, since she’s the true avatar of the Phoenix.
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It already has, it's called Phoenix Force.
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I think that I locked the pages yesterday.
Isn't she similar to the Molecule Man in that her transcendence is mental only, not physical?
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No, because the Phoenix affects all attributes, not just mental. Example of when Jean first ascended to the WHR, and held a universe within her hands with telekinesis.
An avatar that’s fully merged with the Phoenix having regular lifting strength doesn’t make sense, while the entity it completely merged with is immeasurable.
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I agree.
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Here is the original post about this topic.
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