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Rebuttal to Kizaru's speed

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Don't speculate that Kizaru's speed is the speed of light, because of all the explanations and scenes that aim to validate Kizaru's own speed, but nothing falls into the "photon" criterion, most of the scenes are from Kizaru fighting other people with Using the Laser and Hitting Certain Objects Explodes Immediately, Is That Included in the Nature of "Photon"? No, there is no clear indication that this photon can explode if it hits an object, but it penetrates the object itself without the slightest obstacle, especially until it explodes like this Kizaru case. Kizaru only manifests his body as light, it doesn't mean that his stats are like light itself, if a laser explodes when it hits another object, then it can be concluded that the laser doesn't have a speed that's like light, meaning that the laser has mass in it, and One of the properties of light itself will never have the slightest mass, as I also know that no object can move at the speed of light, because it has mass, while this laser has mass and will never meet the requirements to go to that speed of light. Own. you are only based on the databook and Kizaru's statement, even though it has been shown in the manga and anime visualizations where the light explodes.
(https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fot...h partikel elementer dalam,radio, dan Sinar-X)
 
Xyra said:
Don't speculate that Kizaru's speed is the speed of light, because of all the explanations and scenes that aim to validate Kizaru's own speed, but nothing falls into the "photon" criterion, most of the scenes are from Kizaru fighting other people with Using the Laser and Hitting Certain Objects Explodes Immediately, Is That Included in the Nature of "Photon"? No, there is no clear indication that this photon can explode if it hits an object, but it penetrates the object itself without the slightest obstacle, especially until it explodes like this Kizaru case. Kizaru only manifests his body as light, it doesn't mean that his stats are like light itself, if a laser explodes when it hits another object, then it can be concluded that the laser doesn't have a speed that's like light, meaning that the laser has mass in it, and One of the properties of light itself will never have the slightest mass, as I also know that no object can move at the speed of light, because it has mass, while this laser has mass and will never meet the requirements to go to that speed of light. Own. you are only based on the databook and Kizaru's statement, even though it has been shown in the manga and anime visualizations where the light explodes.
(https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foton#:~:text=Foton adalah partikel elementer dalam,radio, dan Sinar-X)
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No need to discuss this again, actually it's simple, Whether the light explodes or not depends on whether the fictional engine uses IRL references or not, Not all fiction applies the character's abilities according to the RL mechanism.
 
JaaNoLimitttt said:
Hal ini tidak perlu dibahas lagi, sebenarnya sederhana saja, meledak atau tidaknya cahaya itu tergantung mesin fiksinya menggunakan referensi IRL atau tidak, Tidak semua fiksi menerapkan kemampuan karakter sesuai mekanisme RL.
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kalau pola pikirnya seperti itu, anda salah, karena kecepatan Kizaru diklaim dari tubuhnya yang memanifestasikan cahaya, tentunya mengambil referensi dari IRL, dan pengertian foton sendiri tidak akan pernah meledak, juga tidak memiliki massa. dan untuk menentukan sebuah Karakter untuk Kecepatan Cahaya anda harus memiliki prestasi yang konkrit agar tidak terjadi kesalahan, jadi ya sebenarnya anda sudah mempermasalahkan aturan kecepatan cahaya. dan jika cahaya tersebut meledak dari sebuah scene anime, maka tidak dapat disimpulkan bahwa ia memiliki kecepatan cahaya.
 
HADES said:
It seems this has been discussed several times
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it's not wrong to repeat it again, it's been discussed many times but it always fails, here I really want to downgrade Kizaru's speed, and there are lots of anti-feats.
 
Xyra said:
Don't speculate that Kizaru's speed is the speed of light, because of all the explanations and scenes that aim to validate Kizaru's own speed, but nothing falls into the "photon" criterion, most of the scenes are from Kizaru fighting other people with Using the Laser and Hitting Certain Objects Explodes Immediately, Is That Included in the Nature of "Photon"? No, there is no clear indication that this photon can explode if it hits an object, but it penetrates the object itself without the slightest obstacle, especially until it explodes like this Kizaru case. Kizaru only manifests his body as light, it doesn't mean that his stats are like light itself, if a laser explodes when it hits another object, then it can be concluded that the laser doesn't have a speed that's like light, meaning that the laser has mass in it, and One of the properties of light itself will never have the slightest mass, as I also know that no object can move at the speed of light, because it has mass, while this laser has mass and will never meet the requirements to go to that speed of light. Own. you are only based on the databook and Kizaru's statement, even though it has been shown in the manga and anime visualizations where the light explodes.
(https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foton#:~:text=Foton adalah partikel elementer dalam,radio, dan Sinar-X)
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As far as I know Kizaru's laser has something like matter, I forget what material it is, and if it's in gather it can explodeexplode

(IDK)
 
ElajRuengies said:
You really shouldn't have bothered him with something as dumb as this
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say as if the smartest, where is your brain? and the way you respond to other people's posts really hurts him, can you respond using words that are not ridiculing? because you are more than trash.
 
Xyra said:
say as if the smartest, where is your brain? and the way you respond to other people's posts really hurts him, can you respond using words that are not ridiculing? because you are more than trash.
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Keep the tone down, please.
 
HADES said:
As far as I know Kizaru's laser has something like matter, I forget what material it is, and if it's in gather it can explodeexplode

(IDK)
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Different case, Kizaru didn't mix this laser with a different laser, and I didn't know that the mixed laser would explode, where's the reference from? please tell.
 
KLOL506 said:
@KingTempest Bruh
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So this is how it feels when I call you in dumb GoW threads

Xyra said:
Don't speculate that Kizaru's speed is the speed of light, because of all the explanations and scenes that aim to validate Kizaru's own speed, but nothing falls into the "photon" criterion, most of the scenes are from Kizaru fighting other people with Using the Laser and Hitting Certain Objects Explodes Immediately, Is That Included in the Nature of "Photon"? No, there is no clear indication that this photon can explode if it hits an object, but it penetrates the object itself without the slightest obstacle, especially until it explodes like this Kizaru case. Kizaru only manifests his body as light, it doesn't mean that his stats are like light itself, if a laser explodes when it hits another object, then it can be concluded that the laser doesn't have a speed that's like light, meaning that the laser has mass in it, and One of the properties of light itself will never have the slightest mass, as I also know that no object can move at the speed of light, because it has mass, while this laser has mass and will never meet the requirements to go to that speed of light. Own. you are only based on the databook and Kizaru's statement, even though it has been shown in the manga and anime visualizations where the light explodes.
(https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foton#:~:text=Foton adalah partikel elementer dalam,radio, dan Sinar-X)
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Just stop

He's stated to move at the speed of light. He can break every light rule and criteria there is but since he has a statement he's good

And we've discussed exploding lasers a plethora of times, you aren't bringing anything new
 
KingTempest said:
So this is how it feels when I call you in dumb GoW threads


Just stop

He's stated to move at the speed of light. He can break every light rule and criteria there is but since he has a statement he's good

And we've discussed exploding lasers a plethora of times, you aren't bringing anything new
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stated by the author properly, it is not certain that this can be considered a frank validation, because it still requires back-up feats, namely the scene when Kizaru uses his laser, if the author's statement is truly validation, then why is the scene in the animanga so contradictory? What does "photon" mean? it's better not to just rely on the author's statement just because he is the author of the animanga, but take all the scenarios carried out by Kizaru, if it really contradicts the notion of speed, then yes it will be wrong and does not deserve the achievement that will be set.
 
Xyra said:
I really don't like being thought stupid just because of a post which clearly shows a false indication of the character's achievements.
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The fact that you said this clearly shows a false indication of his achievements means you don't even understand why he's lightspeed in the first place

He has a SoL statement which is why he scales, not cause of any feats
 
Oh my god... always the same argument over and over and over again. Is Kizaru being confirmed SoL by the author not enough proof? is Kizaru having an ability to literally become light itself isn't enough proof?

You are bringing IRL logic into Fiction as if every author applies IRL logic into their Animanga, which they clearly don't. Also... this is One Piece we're talking abt, where most IRL logic doesn't even apply in the verse.
 
Jayy said:
Oh my god... always the same argument over and over and over again. Is Kizaru being confirmed SoL by the author not enough proof? is Kizaru having an ability to literally become light itself isn't enough proof?

You are bringing IRL logic into Fiction as if every author applies IRL logic into their Animanga, which they clearly don't. Also... this is One Piece we're talking abt, where most IRL logic doesn't even apply in the verse.
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omg, i was shocked. Your statement is completely wrong in the application of Kizaru's light, the anime is based on IRL, of course it is the same as IRL, to get the speed of light you have to follow the requirements in IRL, not only has the speed of light, but its characteristics must follow in IRL too, you Saying that is completely wrong, because if it doesn't follow the nature of the photon, then it can't be considered frank validation.
 
KingTempest said:
The fact that you said this clearly shows a false indication of his achievements means you don't even understand why he's lightspeed in the first place

He has a SoL statement which is why he scales, not cause of any feats
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not just low, but frankly lower than the speed of light.
 
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