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[Deleted member 11410]

Deleted Username he accepted it. It's fine to him!

I can't sleep but 'kay

 

[Antvasima]

In lack of better options/more staff participation here, I suppose that I will have to be sufficient.

 

[Phoenks]

Would anyone here happen to know what the average mass of a shark would be?

I'm asking for a feat that involves lifting every shark in the world. The entire population - all species.

Searching for this gives mixed results, so I'm curious about what would be acceptable to use on the wiki.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Oh well, attack potency was upgraded so.. new changes.

• Chimpanzee: 1.5 times stronger than a human, so 60*1.5 = 90 Joules, easy.
• Australophitecus: Give them outright 10-B+, they are at least comparable as male humans based on this.
• Dogo Argentino: Can easily kill humans too based on their profile, so 10-B+?, since includes male humans, or just 10-A?

calc based on male human 10-B+

Okay, I applied it.

Would anyone here happen to know what the average mass of a shark would be?

I'm asking for a feat that involves lifting every shark in the world. The entire population - all species.

Searching for this gives mixed results, so I'm curious about what would be acceptable to use on the wiki.

Depends on the shark, obviously.. you mean the entire population of great white sharks?, anyways, for the average the formula is: (Lowest-end + Highest-end) / 2 = average quantity

 

[Phoenks]

Depends on the shark, obviously.. you mean the entire population of great white sharks?, anyways, for the average the formula is: (Lowest-end + Highest-end) / 2 = average quantity

Includes all species. Literally every shark in the world.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Includes all species. Literally every shark in the world.

Unknown, though most sharks are 1000 to 4500 lb

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Includes all species. Literally every shark in the world.

Mmh, maybe 500 lbs?
500 lbs * 1 billion = 226796185000 kg

 

[Phoenks]

Mmh, maybe 500 lbs?
500 lbs * 1 billion = 226796185000 kg

I can use that, I suppose.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:phoenks/Caleb_Sends_Sharks_Into_Space

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Sorry for the bump but I find an issue..

• Tigers can hit at 18000 lbf in a rage swipe
• 18000 lbf * 1 ft = in the 24000 joules range
• 18000 lbf * 2 ft = in the 48000 joules range

Also, I feel like using 2 ft is better anyways

• 10000 lbf * 2 ft = in the 27000 joules range..

But I don't see consistent the 10000 lbf thing due to lion swipe force, so maybe downgrading this to bone crush? (9000 joules as common reference feats), not sure.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

This will downgrade all the bears to 9-C+, including smilodon and others.. so..

 

[H3110l12345I20]

This will downgrade all the bears to 9-C+, including smilodon and others.. so..

That source is stated to be when in a rage, do Tigers typically fight raged or fight raged in a notable way?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

That source is stated to be when in a rage, do Tigers typically fight raged or fight raged in a notable way?

Obviously, like if they are death-by-death situation due to instinct I think.

But still, nothing says that their swipe force is massively stronger than the lions & bears, only slightly..

 

[Antvasima]

What do we currently need to do here?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

What do we currently need to do here?

This: vvv

Sorry for the bump but I find an issue..

• Tigers can hit at 18000 lbf in a rage swipe
• 18000 lbf * 1 ft = in the 24000 joules range
• 18000 lbf * 2 ft = in the 48000 joules range

Also, I feel like using 2 ft is better anyways

• 10000 lbf * 2 ft = in the 27000 joules range..

But I don't see consistent the 10000 lbf thing due to lion swipe force, so maybe downgrading this to bone crush? (9000 joules as common reference feats), not sure.

This will downgrade all the bears to 9-C+, including smilodon and others.. so..

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine, if the rest of you find it acceptable.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

That is probably fine, if the rest of you find it acceptable.

I accept it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the evaluation.

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KLOL506 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Propellus @Apex_Predator_GX @Lou_change @Phoenks @Arnoldstone18

What do you think about this?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I accept it.

Same

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What's the issue with the current rating for tigers/bears?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

What's the issue with the current rating for tigers/bears?

10000 lbf is exaggerated compared to the one of lion & bears, also, the actual source of it says of 18000 lbf, also is better to use 2 ft imo

Sorry for the bump but I find an issue..

• Tigers can hit at 18000 lbf in a rage swipe
• 18000 lbf * 1 ft = in the 24000 joules range
• 18000 lbf * 2 ft = in the 48000 joules range

Also, I feel like using 2 ft is better anyways

• 10000 lbf * 2 ft = in the 27000 joules range..

But I don't see consistent the 10000 lbf thing due to lion swipe force, so maybe downgrading this to bone crush? (9000 joules as common reference feats), not sure.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

IIRC that website isn't reliable as they are simply converting from KE values.

10 000 pounds comes from that National Geography documentary thing, does seem exaggerated compared to the lion one but that one kinda came from a random source.

What's the value for bear paw swipes?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Thank you for the evaluation.

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KLOL506 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Propellus @Apex_Predator_GX @Lou_change @Phoenks @Arnoldstone18

What do you think about this?

I accept it.

 

[Antvasima]

IIRC that website isn't reliable as they are simply converting from KE values.

10 000 pounds comes from that National Geography documentary thing, does seem exaggerated compared to the lion one but that one kinda came from a random source.

What's the value for bear paw swipes?

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I'm still alive

 

[Deleted member 11410]

10 000 pounds comes from that National Geography documentary thing, does seem exaggerated compared to the lion one but that one kinda came from a random source.

I think the source is also a bit sus, since I didn't find any study of 10000 lbf thing so is unreliable to use I think..

What's the value for bear paw swipes?

I found this:

• When a grizzly bear swipes another animal with its paw, it can deliver more than 600 pounds of force. With its powerful paw swipe and long, sharp claws, a grizzly bear is capable of taking out many animals with a single blow.

though-

IIRC that website isn't reliable as they are simply converting from KE values.

Yeah- I found many pages to do it just for getting swipe force, maybe is some of method or nah?

 

[Antvasima]

Your latest suggested changes seem acceptable to me at least.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah- I found many pages to do it just for getting swipe force, maybe is some of method or nah?

I doubt it, it doesn't really make sense as that's the entire mass of the animal.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I doubt it, it doesn't really make sense as that's the entire mass of the animal.

Sooo.. we just remove the 10000 lbf or something else?

 

[Antvasima]

I doubt it, it doesn't really make sense as that's the entire mass of the animal.

Good point.

 

[Antvasima]

Sooo.. we just remove the 10000 lbf or something else?

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Sooo.. we just remove the 10000 lbf or something else?

Good point.

Question, if we're removing the 10000 lbf, then what do we do with the scan that's literally on the Tiger's official page that supports this 10000 lbf force?

 

[Antvasima]

Which calc group members have helped out in this thread?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Question, if we're removing the 10000 lbf, then what do we do with the scan that's literally on the Tiger's official page that supports this 10000 lbf force?

There just exists that, but also multiple sources of lbf things without any study or something else.. Even in the page of tiger says a much less value and lions swipe force hare much less than Tiger ones, which don't make much sense at all.. I want an actual study of it, because it seems unreliable.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well at the very least we have it on video that the tiger in the video hit at 1400 pounds, so we know a wild tiger is far higher than that even if we don't trust the 10 000 pound figure guesstimate they put out.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Well at the very least we have it on video that the tiger in the video hit at 1400 pounds, so we know a wild tiger is far higher than that even if we don't trust the 10 000 pound figure guesstimate they put out.

So.. we use the 1400 pounds thing?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Isn't the GWS Shark vs thread a stomp? The Saltwater Croc is massively outweighed even under SBA conditions. The shark's teeth is even shown to bite through whales & can withstand attacks from their own kind

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Isn't the GWS Shark vs thread a stomp? The Saltwater Croc is massively outweighed even under SBA conditions. The shark's teeth is even shown to bite through whales & can withstand attacks from their own kind

It is

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Would anyone here happen to know what the number of joules of a horse's kicks would be and if it scales to its durability?

It concerns a feat of an 8-year-old character who tanked the kicks (or the kick, because we don't really know) of a horse and another who killed a horse with a single punch.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Would anyone here happen to know what the number of joules of a horse's kicks would be and if it scales to its durability?

It concerns a feat of an 8-year-old character who tanked the kicks (or the kick, because we don't really know) of a horse and another who killed a horse with a single punch.

For more info, ask my friend Deleted Username, though an animal of class 5 LS is usually considered 9-B unless context states otherwise. Though I'd consider the feat 9-C since horses are at class 1 LS & rather big animals:
if the horse is healthy, fit & at least 1000 kg in weight, then consider the feat "Street level." (though you'll have to contact Deleted Username or any knowledgable member of IRL animals to see if a 1 tonne+ horse is 9-B or not).

The thing that complicates things is the surface area of the horse's hoof. Unless if the character routinely survives/physically does feats at 9-C or is a case of raw strength like in the real world, it would be an issue of an 8-year-old child being 9-C/9-B in durability since IRL children are 10-C in strength. Besides we shouldn't make babies have peak human in durability.

A case raw strength for example, is like how a Leopard can take down an adult gorilla despite usually taking on weaker ones, being out-weighed by them & usually targeting the neck of the animal. It's implied that the strength of a Gorilla would make it hard for the Leopard to kill it but they have strong jaw muscles nonetheless.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

(though you'll have to contact Deleted Username or any knowledgable member of IRL animals to see if a 1 tonne+ horse is 9-B or not).

I especially hope that the number of joules is possible to determine for their kicks.

The thing that complicates things is the surface area of the horse's hoof. Unless if the character routinely survives/physically does feats at 9-C or is a case of raw strength like in the real world, it would be an issue of an 8-year-old child being 9-C/9-B in durability since IRL children are 10-C in strength. Besides we shouldn't make babies have peak human in durability.

Don't worry, the characters in this verse are already 9-C and often perform superhuman feats (like killing horses with a single punch )