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Our IRL Profiles are kinda questionable, so here I go fixing stuff. Before any actual changes, a lot of profiles use awkward or outdated terminology and wording, and I’d like to request a permission to fix that. Also, I won’t be tackling KE stuff, it was agreed to be wrong to use KE for all animals in another concluded CRT, it just hasn't been applied to it.
Alright, so plenty of profiles are missing Natural Weaponry, straightforward fix. Less straight-forward, plenty get Resistance to Fungus Manipulation for eating mold. Well, it is technically a correct ability, but too mundane for being on a page. It’s akin to getting Fire Manipulation from having a lighter in your pocket.
Speaking of that, a lot of invertebrates have Disease Manipulation for often carrying diseases, which is a bit silly since not all of them have it or anything. It’d be like giving Disease Manipulation to humans because, well, we do have diseases, and we can infect others with them.
Lifting Strength: Plenty of animals get LS from dragging large corpses (which isn’t as hard as lifting them) or their own body weight, which isn’t allowed.
Reaction Speed: Mindblowingly, there appears to be a fly that can react in 5 milliseconds, which is supersonic. It’s crazy, but there’s actually another previous study that reported the same. Less so, this article quotes previous studies that report on:
“Mechano-receptive hairs on tail appendages of a cockroach, Periplaneta americana L., detect the change in air pressure caused by a fast approaching object, and can trigger an escape response in less than 50 ms”
“House flies, Musca domestica L., have a similar reaction time of 30–50 ms to a visual threat”
Dolphins seem to react in 110 ms
Squids can begin escaping from threats in 50-75 ms.
This video I found shows reaction speed of around 80/65 milliseconds for cats, and the absolute top of Peak Human or Superhuman doesn’t sound unbelievable for cats (Many other things I found report on cats having superhuman reflexes but none give a number)
Stamina: Here’s the thing, our wiki considers enduring pain and damage the same kind of stamina as just fighting for long, which isn’t too incorrect for humans, but when it comes to animals… well, it’s not so simple. Your average lizard can go on with its tails fallen off without an issue, but just like most reptiles, it has much less endurance than a mammal. And yet, despite crocodiles having worse stamina than most mammals, they can live for months without food, specifically because their body wastes less energy. What I’m proposing here is that stamina sections of IRL animals go into more detail about this stuff, instead of just slapping a “High (Can continue fighting after getting a limb torn off)” on the section.
All fish should have Enhanced Senses due to the Lateral Line. This also applies to the larval stages of amphibians and completely aquatic adult forms.
Finally, before we get into specific animals, there are a lot of pointless profiles. I don’t think two animals that fit a similar niche, or obscure ones, are too similar to be both worth a page, but when we have 6 starfish profiles, that all have (with the exception of one) identical abilities, then that’s a problem. We should, in my opinion, delete profiles that add nothing that isn’t covered by an animal in the same genus/family, and those of obscure animals with no interesting abilities and AP below 10-A.
Alright, so plenty of profiles are missing Natural Weaponry, straightforward fix. Less straight-forward, plenty get Resistance to Fungus Manipulation for eating mold. Well, it is technically a correct ability, but too mundane for being on a page. It’s akin to getting Fire Manipulation from having a lighter in your pocket.
Speaking of that, a lot of invertebrates have Disease Manipulation for often carrying diseases, which is a bit silly since not all of them have it or anything. It’d be like giving Disease Manipulation to humans because, well, we do have diseases, and we can infect others with them.
Lifting Strength: Plenty of animals get LS from dragging large corpses (which isn’t as hard as lifting them) or their own body weight, which isn’t allowed.
Reaction Speed: Mindblowingly, there appears to be a fly that can react in 5 milliseconds, which is supersonic. It’s crazy, but there’s actually another previous study that reported the same. Less so, this article quotes previous studies that report on:
“Mechano-receptive hairs on tail appendages of a cockroach, Periplaneta americana L., detect the change in air pressure caused by a fast approaching object, and can trigger an escape response in less than 50 ms”
“House flies, Musca domestica L., have a similar reaction time of 30–50 ms to a visual threat”
Dolphins seem to react in 110 ms
Squids can begin escaping from threats in 50-75 ms.
This video I found shows reaction speed of around 80/65 milliseconds for cats, and the absolute top of Peak Human or Superhuman doesn’t sound unbelievable for cats (Many other things I found report on cats having superhuman reflexes but none give a number)
Stamina: Here’s the thing, our wiki considers enduring pain and damage the same kind of stamina as just fighting for long, which isn’t too incorrect for humans, but when it comes to animals… well, it’s not so simple. Your average lizard can go on with its tails fallen off without an issue, but just like most reptiles, it has much less endurance than a mammal. And yet, despite crocodiles having worse stamina than most mammals, they can live for months without food, specifically because their body wastes less energy. What I’m proposing here is that stamina sections of IRL animals go into more detail about this stuff, instead of just slapping a “High (Can continue fighting after getting a limb torn off)” on the section.
All fish should have Enhanced Senses due to the Lateral Line. This also applies to the larval stages of amphibians and completely aquatic adult forms.
Finally, before we get into specific animals, there are a lot of pointless profiles. I don’t think two animals that fit a similar niche, or obscure ones, are too similar to be both worth a page, but when we have 6 starfish profiles, that all have (with the exception of one) identical abilities, then that’s a problem. We should, in my opinion, delete profiles that add nothing that isn’t covered by an animal in the same genus/family, and those of obscure animals with no interesting abilities and AP below 10-A.
Most of these pages likely shouldn't be deleted.
Anomalocaris (The coolest animal ever, objectively): Currently 10-A – “(Could grow up to one meter long. Crushed and ate large shelled animals).” Its size honestly warrants 10-C+ more than it warrants 10-B. As for their diet, it appears plenty of people have questioned if Anomalocaris did truly eat Trilobites, but even if it did, it likely did so via suction, not crushing their shell. Unfortunately, this probably calls for a downgrade. Also, Enhanced Senses- its compound eyes were actually really good, almost as good as dragonflies.
Arthropleura: Currently 9-B – “(Even though it is a Detritivore, a full-grown Arthropleura had no Predators, Capable of pulling pteridophytes out the ground, which where rather large at the time, Comparable to durability.)” Having no predators doesn’t necessarily require AP, nevermind that the page doesn’t link to any 9-B predators of its area and period. Pteridophytes are plants, and uprooting them is a LS feat. And no, there is no reason for its AP to be comparable to its durability. But let’s look at it anyway. “(Was considered to have no predators, competed with animals larger than crocodiles.)” The second link is dead, and being larger than a crocodile is very vague- they can be up to 5 meters long, and I seriously doubt anything of the time got that big. I’m unsure what we should change its ratings to, if nothing better is found, 10-C AP with 10-A or 9-C durability probably works better, eyeballing it.
Also, “Resistance to Pain Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Fear Manipulation (Comparable to insects who don't feel pain, nor do they feel any emotions like fear.)” The article linked literally says it’s ambiguous, at most we should slap a Possibly on it. Oh, and give it to literally every other bug, insect, and as for the latter two, any animal or being with intelligence levels this low, possibly including fictional ones. Finally, some of its body parts are in its equipment, which is silly.
Jaekelopterus: Currently 9-B – “(Is the Largest arthropod to ever exist, Was capable of tearing apart it's prey such as jawless fish. Larger than Arthropleura.)” What little I could find about the jawless fish mentioned (Poraspis) seems to indicate it was very small (fossil is 10.5 cm), definitely not enough for 9-B. However, this thing WAS 2.5 meters tall, which likely warrants 10-A at least, maybe even 9-C. Anyway, “Resistance to Disease Manipulation (Eurypterids where able to eat rotten carcasses, and where sometimes classified as scavengers)” is questionable, bacteria doesn’t spread as easily underwater, rotten wouldn’t necessarily imply a huge risk of diseases. Resistance to Heat Manipulation “(Where [sic] able to withstand the extreme temperatures of the Silurian era)” is also very questionable without any studies linked, depending on how extreme they were, it’d be akin to giving all desert animals resistance to Heat Manip- technically correct, just silly.
Eurypterus: Currently 10-C to 10-B – “(Eurypterus can grow up to this big, although some species can grow up to the size of insects)” The largest specimen of Eurypterus is 130 cm long, and I’m unsure if that’s enough for 10-B. Judge for yourselves, I guess.
Argentinosaurus has hundreds of meters for its tail, which is wrong, since it was about 40 meters long.
Archaeopteryx“possibly Water Walking (Archaeopteryx presumably used its wings to run on water akin to basilisks. This likely would explain their presence in lake and marine deposits)” That’s one hell of an assumption without any links. It should be removed. STUDY EXISTS, SHOULD BE LINKED
Spinosaurus:“Enhanced Senses (It probably had some kind of receptors to catch fish)” Probably shouldn’t be a word in our IRL profiles, and there’s no base to this claim, though ES is probably right overall. STUDY EXISTS, SHOULD BE LINKED Also, “Peak Human while swimming (It could fight river currents and catch fish swiftly)” Most fish are nowhere near that in speed. I’d say Average Human is closer to the average fish, but the Spinosaurus likely didn't chase them down anyway. And if it did overpower currents, it probably did through sheer strength.
Troodon is currently 9-C for absolutely no reason, while its size likely warrants 10-B at best, and even then that's overdoing it imo (it was 50 kg heavy and had a light build suited to hunting small prey). 10-B WAS AGREED UPON
Mosasaurus: “Peak Human with Superhuman reactions (Could grab dinosaurs before they could react)” Yeah, by catching them by surprise, and there ain’t no link for the Peak Human part either, which is warranted since water movement tends to be slower than ground movement in nature.
Ornithomimus: “Street level (Its strong legs and body build would give it enough strength to easily kill a human)” You got a source on that, mate? Well, you probably don’t, since I could find nothing about it. But it does likely deserve 10-A, due to basically every animal of its size ever being stronger than humans.
T-Rex: Its AP section mentions bite force, only to give it a higher rating for its bite, which should be fixed.Also, since its Vibration Manipulation has no combat use (unless you put it up against someone like Venom lol), it should be Limited. Elephants should also get it, since they do something similar and can even communicate through it. VIBRATION MANIP REMOVAL
Titanoboa: Its current AP is 9-B for its crushing strength, which is LS. I think it should be downgraded to 9-C+? It’s a huge snake but it could not use its full mass to attack.
Dodo: Remove the “possibly higher”, breaking small crabs and shellfish isn’t above 10-C+.
Anomalocaris (The coolest animal ever, objectively): Currently 10-A – “(Could grow up to one meter long. Crushed and ate large shelled animals).” Its size honestly warrants 10-C+ more than it warrants 10-B. As for their diet, it appears plenty of people have questioned if Anomalocaris did truly eat Trilobites, but even if it did, it likely did so via suction, not crushing their shell. Unfortunately, this probably calls for a downgrade. Also, Enhanced Senses- its compound eyes were actually really good, almost as good as dragonflies.
Arthropleura: Currently 9-B – “(Even though it is a Detritivore, a full-grown Arthropleura had no Predators, Capable of pulling pteridophytes out the ground, which where rather large at the time, Comparable to durability.)” Having no predators doesn’t necessarily require AP, nevermind that the page doesn’t link to any 9-B predators of its area and period. Pteridophytes are plants, and uprooting them is a LS feat. And no, there is no reason for its AP to be comparable to its durability. But let’s look at it anyway. “(Was considered to have no predators, competed with animals larger than crocodiles.)” The second link is dead, and being larger than a crocodile is very vague- they can be up to 5 meters long, and I seriously doubt anything of the time got that big. I’m unsure what we should change its ratings to, if nothing better is found, 10-C AP with 10-A or 9-C durability probably works better, eyeballing it.
Also, “Resistance to Pain Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Fear Manipulation (Comparable to insects who don't feel pain, nor do they feel any emotions like fear.)” The article linked literally says it’s ambiguous, at most we should slap a Possibly on it. Oh, and give it to literally every other bug, insect, and as for the latter two, any animal or being with intelligence levels this low, possibly including fictional ones. Finally, some of its body parts are in its equipment, which is silly.
Jaekelopterus: Currently 9-B – “(Is the Largest arthropod to ever exist, Was capable of tearing apart it's prey such as jawless fish. Larger than Arthropleura.)” What little I could find about the jawless fish mentioned (Poraspis) seems to indicate it was very small (fossil is 10.5 cm), definitely not enough for 9-B. However, this thing WAS 2.5 meters tall, which likely warrants 10-A at least, maybe even 9-C. Anyway, “Resistance to Disease Manipulation (Eurypterids where able to eat rotten carcasses, and where sometimes classified as scavengers)” is questionable, bacteria doesn’t spread as easily underwater, rotten wouldn’t necessarily imply a huge risk of diseases. Resistance to Heat Manipulation “(Where [sic] able to withstand the extreme temperatures of the Silurian era)” is also very questionable without any studies linked, depending on how extreme they were, it’d be akin to giving all desert animals resistance to Heat Manip- technically correct, just silly.
Eurypterus: Currently 10-C to 10-B – “(Eurypterus can grow up to this big, although some species can grow up to the size of insects)” The largest specimen of Eurypterus is 130 cm long, and I’m unsure if that’s enough for 10-B. Judge for yourselves, I guess.
Argentinosaurus has hundreds of meters for its tail, which is wrong, since it was about 40 meters long.
Archaeopteryx
Spinosaurus:
Troodon is currently 9-C for absolutely no reason, while its size likely warrants 10-B at best, and even then that's overdoing it imo (it was 50 kg heavy and had a light build suited to hunting small prey). 10-B WAS AGREED UPON
T-Rex: Its AP section mentions bite force, only to give it a higher rating for its bite, which should be fixed.
Dodo: Remove the “possibly higher”, breaking small crabs and shellfish isn’t above 10-C+.
There's a lot of useless insects and other 10-C creatures, plenty have worthwhile P&A, but many don't.
Tree Weta: Has resistance to Ice Manipulation because it can survive temperatures of -5 degrees. Literally any human can do that.
Termite: Self-Destruction due to their Poison Manip description, also “Minor Duplication (If a queen is about to die, it will give birth to an almost exact copy of itself) “ sounds iffy.
Mantis Shrimp: Their durability should be lower, as their pincers and tail are built in a different way than the rest of their body. They can survive blows from other Mantis Shrimps, but as this video explains, “When they fight each other, they use a shield-like tail segment called a telson to protect themselves from such powerful blows. UC Riverside researchers have discovered special structures on the telson's surface and interior that help absorb and diffuse impact energy.” So, 10-A solely for those parts of their body, 10-C or 10-B for the rest.
Coconut Crab: “Street level via gripping (Has a gripping force of 2,250 to 3,300 N. Can kill chickens, kittens, and birds that are larger than it. Shin-ichiro Oka, the man who conducted the experiment, stated that he was nipped by the crabs several times during the experiment, and that he couldn't do anything until the crabs decided to let go, which lasted several minutes.)” This one’s hard. The pressure is there, but considering Oka’s bones were not fractured (I feel the article would mention that if it were the case), I think 10-A is better. Also, Peak Human LS via gripping, for… obvious reasons.
Lobster: “Athlete level (Large lobsters are capable of breaking a person's arm with their claws)” Ain’t that 9-C? That said the person saying it might have been using a bit of hyperbole, I'm unsure. WILL GO FROM 10-A TO 9-C
Driver Ant: “Far Higher via piercing damage and swarms (Can kill slugs, Snakes, Lizards, crabs, large rats, grasshoppers, ant queens, ducklings, humans, and even elephants. Are capable of fighting termites)” This is mostly fine, but the elephant part is… a metaphor about HIV.
Staghorn Coral: Considering they’re able to prey on live fish, their speed section should reflect their attack speed is not Immobile.
Turritopsis Dohrnii: “Surface Scaling (They were known to cling onto the ballasts of ships)” I’m not sure this qualifies? Dunno.Also, Poison Manip, all Jellyfish have that (though if I had to assume, it’s really weak) Change pic lol
Portoguese Man ‘O War: “Human level stings (Stings cause severe pain to humans, with the pain factor likened to being shot by a bullet)” This is done through poison, AKA dura negation. Way more importantly, It has MHS+ reactions because its cell reacts to stimuli in that timeframe, but the distance of this attack is very short, just a few micrometers, and 20 micrometers/(699.3007 nanoseconds) = 28.6 m/s. We shouldn’t necessarily use this calc, it’s just an example. It’s worth noting that human cells react at similar, MHS speed (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111030151656.htm)
Crown-of-thorns Sea Star: Duplication (via Regeneration)
Blue Glaucus: “Power Absorption (Swallows and integrates venom from prey, such as the Portuguese Man O’ War, in the tips of its cerata)” That’s just Absorption
Colossal Squid and Giant Squid: “Wall level (Can leave permanent scars on the backs of sperm whales)” Give me a knife and I can do that too, not sure what the rating should be however, probably 9-C? idk.Either way, its main body is only around 2/3 meters, so it should probably not have Large Size, though it is around 13 meters with the tentacles, idk. Also, they have Surface Scaling, which I find questionable. More interestingly though, https://www.quora.com/How-do-the-reaction-times-of-various-animals-compare-with-that-of-humans this Neurobiologist on Quora says squids have reaction times in the 50/75 ms field, Superhuman, though solely for their escape response, their combat speed wouldn’t be that fast.
Planarian: Is missing Underwater Breathing
Tree Weta: Has resistance to Ice Manipulation because it can survive temperatures of -5 degrees. Literally any human can do that.
Termite: Self-Destruction due to their Poison Manip description, also “Minor Duplication (If a queen is about to die, it will give birth to an almost exact copy of itself) “ sounds iffy.
Mantis Shrimp: Their durability should be lower, as their pincers and tail are built in a different way than the rest of their body. They can survive blows from other Mantis Shrimps, but as this video explains, “When they fight each other, they use a shield-like tail segment called a telson to protect themselves from such powerful blows. UC Riverside researchers have discovered special structures on the telson's surface and interior that help absorb and diffuse impact energy.” So, 10-A solely for those parts of their body, 10-C or 10-B for the rest.
Coconut Crab: “Street level via gripping (Has a gripping force of 2,250 to 3,300 N. Can kill chickens, kittens, and birds that are larger than it. Shin-ichiro Oka, the man who conducted the experiment, stated that he was nipped by the crabs several times during the experiment, and that he couldn't do anything until the crabs decided to let go, which lasted several minutes.)” This one’s hard. The pressure is there, but considering Oka’s bones were not fractured (I feel the article would mention that if it were the case), I think 10-A is better. Also, Peak Human LS via gripping, for… obvious reasons.
Lobster: “Athlete level (Large lobsters are capable of breaking a person's arm with their claws)” Ain’t that 9-C? That said the person saying it might have been using a bit of hyperbole, I'm unsure. WILL GO FROM 10-A TO 9-C
Driver Ant: “Far Higher via piercing damage and swarms (Can kill slugs, Snakes, Lizards, crabs, large rats, grasshoppers, ant queens, ducklings, humans, and even elephants. Are capable of fighting termites)” This is mostly fine, but the elephant part is… a metaphor about HIV.
Turritopsis Dohrnii: “Surface Scaling (They were known to cling onto the ballasts of ships)” I’m not sure this qualifies? Dunno.
Portoguese Man ‘O War: “Human level stings (Stings cause severe pain to humans, with the pain factor likened to being shot by a bullet)” This is done through poison, AKA dura negation. Way more importantly, It has MHS+ reactions because its cell reacts to stimuli in that timeframe, but the distance of this attack is very short, just a few micrometers, and 20 micrometers/(699.3007 nanoseconds) = 28.6 m/s. We shouldn’t necessarily use this calc, it’s just an example. It’s worth noting that human cells react at similar, MHS speed (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111030151656.htm)
Crown-of-thorns Sea Star: Duplication (via Regeneration)
Colossal Squid and Giant Squid: “Wall level (Can leave permanent scars on the backs of sperm whales)” Give me a knife and I can do that too, not sure what the rating should be however, probably 9-C? idk.
Planarian: Is missing Underwater Breathing
We have a ridicolous amount of useless fish. Some other stuff too, but that's not as bad.
Piranha: “Street level in schools (A school of piranhas can maul a capybara to death). Higher via piercing damage (A piranha bite can snap a fish hook. Can bite through steel)” The first half should be included in the latter half (and capybaras aren't 9-C).
Electric Eel: Should be 10-C, 10-B with electric strikes.
Axolotl (The cutest animal ever, objectively): Addition to Enhanced Senses.
Komodo Dragon: “Street level (Even half grown juveniles can severely injure large dogs and effortlessly maul physically fit adult humans. The Nile monitor, which is only a fraction the weight of the Komodo dragon, can potentially injure a Leopard with its whip tail; even Lions are wary of the Nile monitor's whip tail. It takes five healthy adult men to subdue an adult Komodo dragon; Dr. Brady Barr, a world renowned herpetologist who has tremendous experience in tackling giant crocodiles and giant constrictor snakes, described Komodo dragons as being far stronger than crocodiles of similar weight)” Komodo Dragons can be 230 cm long or a little more, this may be enough for 9-B and is absolutely enough for 9-C+
Loggerhead Sea Turtle: “Resistance to Pain Manipulation (Due to their thick skin, the stings of Portuguese Man O' War have no effect on turtles, allowing the turtles to safely consume them as part of their diets)” If anything, this’d be resistance to Poison Manip, but it isn’t, that’s just a weakness of the Man O’ War.
Alligator Snapping Turtle: “Human level (Despite their reputation, their bites aren't all that powerful. Their bites were rated at 158 ± 18 kgf (1,550 ± 180 N; 348 ± 40 lbf), which is lower than several other species of turtles and at about the same level as humans, relative to the turtle's body size. They can bite through broom handles and have been reported to amputate fingers. They can rip through ears of corn and small watermelons with their bites. They can scare off small alligators. It's bite force is superior to that of a common snapping turtle, which can puncture soda cans with its bite)” TFW you say something is 10-B and proceed to list a series of 10-A/9-C feats. I understand this is all due to piercing damage, but with such a respect thread, I think 10-B with bites is a bit of a lowplay.
Anaconda: “Wall level (Anaconda constricts with a force of 90 psi, or around 90 pounds of pressure per square inch, the rough equivalent to an elephant sitting on your face)” Is this amount of pressure legit 9-B? No idea. Very important for rating constrictor snakes.
Golden Eagle: “Street level generally” Based on what? It’s a bird. A strong bird, but a bird nonethless. It ain't stronger than a human.
Snowy Owl should have Stealth Mastery, as Owl feathers manage to “break” the sound of their flight, making them super quiet.
Coyote: “Human level (Can easily kill rabbits, Domestic Cats, Chickens, skunks , and human children, but have much harder times with teenage or adult humans)” That sounds like 10-C+ to me.
Bulldog: “Street level (Can easily hospitalize or even kill adult humans. Can disfigure babies)” That was a 73-year old woman it hospitalized. That’s a 10-A feat if you wanna be kind, but considering how small, if fierce, those things are, I’d say 10-B. Also, please remove the disfigure babies part. It’s not a 9-C feat, it doesn’t have a link, and it’s just a bit silly.
American Pitbull: "Street level (Can easily overpower and kill adult humans, can kill large animals like horses and other large dogs. Can tear apart pieces of cars and pull 2 tons of brick on wheels. Can gore coyotes easily)"All the AP links are closed, with the exception of one that looks 10-A at best. Killing a horse is 9-B, but looking that up only leads to a Pitbull killing ponies (That I chose to not watch, thank you very much), and a horse killing a Pitbull with ease (That I also didn’t feel like watching). I’d say 10-A.
Kangal Dog: "At least Street level, likely Wall level (Can fight off animals such as wolves, bears, lions and cheetahs, among others. Generates this much kinetic energy by running)"They don’t “fight off” bears, they scare them off, they’d get demolished in a fight. Still, 9-C is fine.
Cheetah: 9-C is questionable, honestly. They’re strong for their weight, but they’re built for speed and way lighter than any other big cat- in fact, they’re not even big cats, genetically speaking. They run away from basically any other predator in their habitat because they know they’d lose a fight badly, and they only hunt small prey in packs. 10-A is perfectly fine I'd say.
Red Kangaroo: Their AP is KE focused, but their SS has “Striking Strength: Wall Class (Kangaroo kicks have over 850 PSI of force, which can crack or break bones upon impact)” as an explaination. That’s a 9-C feat.
Tasmanian Devil: “Human level (A devil can attack and kill a wombat, its favored prey, weighing up to 30 kg; wombats are known to have bowled over humans by charging at them. They are known to be a cause of fox die-offs when foxes were introduced to Tasmania)” That’s a bit flimsy for 10-B, I think 10-C+ is a lot safer.
Honey Badger: “Likely Human level, higher via piercing damage (Although much smaller, ratels have been recorded to badly injure humans and many forms of livestock to the point where humans and dogs are afraid of them. Though their bites can easily break bones. Can easily kill snakes)” Humans and dogs are afraid of them because they’re incredibly aggressive beings with sharp teeth, that doesn’t mean their strength is anywhere near human level. 10-C+ WAS AGREED UPON
Otter: “Athlete level (They can bite and fight with their tails. If a human provoked them, then they’re warned. Hunts for fish and land creatures including small reptiles like snapping turtles. Can overpower large animals like alligators, caimans, and monkeys, and easily frighten away a Jaguar)” They can overpower small alligators/caimans/monkeys, and frightening an animal is barely a feat. Nothing here is 10-A, and they should be 10-C+ or 10-B via size, though it is worth noting that they are indeed really fierce animals with a powerful bite, despite looking so cute. 10-B WAS AGREED UPON
Mouse/Rat: Idk about surface scaling. They’re great climbers but they can’t Spider-Man their way up walls. LIMITED SURFACE SCALING WAS ACCEPTED “Subsonic reaction time (Some rats can dodge triggered snap traps; a rat trap can close as fast as within 23 ms)” The rat does not react to the snap trap, look at how it’s moving, it knows what it’s gonna do and how to avoid it. It also has to move way less than the snap trap, nevermind that they can close “as fast as within 23 m/s”, but that doesn’t mean cheaper models are that fast. There’s also this study https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1998-11134-008 which says rats react at Normal Human speed (160 milliseconds)
Aardvark: “Street level (Claws are capable of causing significant damage to predators such as African wild dogs, pythons, and hyenas)” You don’t need to be on the same tier to injure with claws blah blah,10-C+ 10-B WAS AGREED UPON
Walrus: “Wall level (Incredibly large. Drowned two men effortlessly. Can challenge polar bears)” All of this is easily 9-C+, but they need their tusks to contend with polar bears.
Elephant Seal: “Wall level (Their size alone should warrant this. While they prey on smaller organisms than leopard seals, elephant seals are known to battle against each other) ” It would, but considering how slow and clumsy it is on land, I dunno if it qualifies. 9-C+ is probably safer.
9-B WILL BE KEPT
Piranha: “Street level in schools (A school of piranhas can maul a capybara to death). Higher via piercing damage (A piranha bite can snap a fish hook. Can bite through steel)” The first half should be included in the latter half (and capybaras aren't 9-C).
Electric Eel: Should be 10-C, 10-B with electric strikes.
Axolotl (The cutest animal ever, objectively): Addition to Enhanced Senses.
Komodo Dragon: “Street level (Even half grown juveniles can severely injure large dogs and effortlessly maul physically fit adult humans. The Nile monitor, which is only a fraction the weight of the Komodo dragon, can potentially injure a Leopard with its whip tail; even Lions are wary of the Nile monitor's whip tail. It takes five healthy adult men to subdue an adult Komodo dragon; Dr. Brady Barr, a world renowned herpetologist who has tremendous experience in tackling giant crocodiles and giant constrictor snakes, described Komodo dragons as being far stronger than crocodiles of similar weight)” Komodo Dragons can be 230 cm long or a little more, this may be enough for 9-B and is absolutely enough for 9-C+
Loggerhead Sea Turtle: “Resistance to Pain Manipulation (Due to their thick skin, the stings of Portuguese Man O' War have no effect on turtles, allowing the turtles to safely consume them as part of their diets)” If anything, this’d be resistance to Poison Manip, but it isn’t, that’s just a weakness of the Man O’ War.
Alligator Snapping Turtle: “Human level (Despite their reputation, their bites aren't all that powerful. Their bites were rated at 158 ± 18 kgf (1,550 ± 180 N; 348 ± 40 lbf), which is lower than several other species of turtles and at about the same level as humans, relative to the turtle's body size. They can bite through broom handles and have been reported to amputate fingers. They can rip through ears of corn and small watermelons with their bites. They can scare off small alligators. It's bite force is superior to that of a common snapping turtle, which can puncture soda cans with its bite)” TFW you say something is 10-B and proceed to list a series of 10-A/9-C feats. I understand this is all due to piercing damage, but with such a respect thread, I think 10-B with bites is a bit of a lowplay.
Golden Eagle: “Street level generally” Based on what? It’s a bird. A strong bird, but a bird nonethless. It ain't stronger than a human.
Snowy Owl should have Stealth Mastery, as Owl feathers manage to “break” the sound of their flight, making them super quiet.
Coyote: “Human level (Can easily kill rabbits, Domestic Cats, Chickens, skunks , and human children, but have much harder times with teenage or adult humans)” That sounds like 10-C+ to me.
Bulldog: “Street level (Can easily hospitalize or even kill adult humans. Can disfigure babies)” That was a 73-year old woman it hospitalized. That’s a 10-A feat if you wanna be kind, but considering how small, if fierce, those things are, I’d say 10-B. Also, please remove the disfigure babies part. It’s not a 9-C feat, it doesn’t have a link, and it’s just a bit silly.
American Pitbull: "Street level (Can easily overpower and kill adult humans, can kill large animals like horses and other large dogs. Can tear apart pieces of cars and pull 2 tons of brick on wheels. Can gore coyotes easily)"All the AP links are closed, with the exception of one that looks 10-A at best. Killing a horse is 9-B, but looking that up only leads to a Pitbull killing ponies (That I chose to not watch, thank you very much), and a horse killing a Pitbull with ease (That I also didn’t feel like watching). I’d say 10-A.
Kangal Dog: "At least Street level, likely Wall level (Can fight off animals such as wolves, bears, lions and cheetahs, among others. Generates this much kinetic energy by running)"They don’t “fight off” bears, they scare them off, they’d get demolished in a fight. Still, 9-C is fine.
Cheetah: 9-C is questionable, honestly. They’re strong for their weight, but they’re built for speed and way lighter than any other big cat- in fact, they’re not even big cats, genetically speaking. They run away from basically any other predator in their habitat because they know they’d lose a fight badly, and they only hunt small prey in packs. 10-A is perfectly fine I'd say.
Red Kangaroo: Their AP is KE focused, but their SS has “Striking Strength: Wall Class (Kangaroo kicks have over 850 PSI of force, which can crack or break bones upon impact)” as an explaination. That’s a 9-C feat.
Tasmanian Devil: “Human level (A devil can attack and kill a wombat, its favored prey, weighing up to 30 kg; wombats are known to have bowled over humans by charging at them. They are known to be a cause of fox die-offs when foxes were introduced to Tasmania)” That’s a bit flimsy for 10-B, I think 10-C+ is a lot safer.
Honey Badger: “Likely Human level, higher via piercing damage (Although much smaller, ratels have been recorded to badly injure humans and many forms of livestock to the point where humans and dogs are afraid of them. Though their bites can easily break bones. Can easily kill snakes)” Humans and dogs are afraid of them because they’re incredibly aggressive beings with sharp teeth, that doesn’t mean their strength is anywhere near human level. 10-C+ WAS AGREED UPON
Otter: “Athlete level (They can bite and fight with their tails. If a human provoked them, then they’re warned. Hunts for fish and land creatures including small reptiles like snapping turtles. Can overpower large animals like alligators, caimans, and monkeys, and easily frighten away a Jaguar)” They can overpower small alligators/caimans/monkeys, and frightening an animal is barely a feat. Nothing here is 10-A, and they should be 10-C+ or 10-B via size, though it is worth noting that they are indeed really fierce animals with a powerful bite, despite looking so cute. 10-B WAS AGREED UPON
Mouse/Rat:
Aardvark: “Street level (Claws are capable of causing significant damage to predators such as African wild dogs, pythons, and hyenas)” You don’t need to be on the same tier to injure with claws blah blah,
Elephant Seal: “Wall level (Their size alone should warrant this. While they prey on smaller organisms than leopard seals, elephant seals are known to battle against each other) ” It would, but considering how slow and clumsy it is on land, I dunno if it qualifies. 9-C+ is probably safer.
9-B WILL BE KEPT
Also including ancestors of Homo Sapiens here.
Chimpanzees: (If anything in this CRT’s gonna be controversial, it’s this): “Street level (Bonobos can jump one-third higher than human athletes and generate as much force as humans nearly two times heavier, and Chimpanzees in contact with Bonobos have constantly always overpowered and scared them. There has been no recorded instance ever of a human overpowering a Chimpanzee)” Hoo boy
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/chimpanzees-humans-sizing-strength/story?id=16696826#:~:text="Chimps are incredibly strong and,formerly of Pennsylvania State University. – 4x human strength by weight, but Chimps are way lighter than humans.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-superhumanly-strong-as-we-thought-they-were/ This article says 1.5x in equal body mass, which would make them 10-C
https://slate.com/technology/2009/02/how-strong-is-a-chimpanzee-really.html This article says chimps are stronger, but not 4 times stronger than humans.
https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0626/Why-gorillas-can-t-throw-fastballs#:~:text="In many ways they look,figure with their respective projectiles Not only that, though, but chimps are ill-suited to striking. They fight by pulling (LS) and biting (Piercing damage). The arms of apes (with the exception of humans) do a terrible job at making rapid, forward motions, such as a throw or a punch. .
No idea what the new rating should be, but 9-C is wanky. 10-A or 10-B are a lot better, imo.
Orangutan: Same story, except they’re way stronger than a chimp… but still bad at punching. Definitely should never go below 10-A, and 9-C might still be justified… idk.
Gorilla: “Wall level (Just by swinging their arms, they can knock a woman over. A blackback around 11 to 12 years of age was able to perform a running overhand smash with enough force to fracture the protective glass of his enclosure, with reinforced glass being durable enough to withstand full-powered charges from lions without issues though this was due to environmental issues and the fact that more than one silverback had charged at the glass before)” Considering the KE stuff, the explaination in the rating itself, and the fact that, as seen in the link about the glass, a gorilla enclosure’s reinforced glass is thinner than a lion’s, 9-C+ sounds better. He didn’t even break the glass, he just cracked it. It’s worth giving a reminder that 9-C+ is still very superhuman.
Homo Habilis: “Street level (Was considered to be a confrontational scavenger that stole kills from predators such as jackals and cheetahs)” You don’t need to be 9-C to do this. A lone jackal’s gonna be terrified of a small group of aggressive 10-B humans, nevermind that they knew how to use tools.
Homo Erectus: “At least Athlete level, likely Street level (Known to have cannibalized other humans and large apes, killed and ate hyenas. More muscled than modern humans and theorized to have killed and eaten them by some, likely killed and consumed Dinopithecus)” Through weapon usage, not sheer strength. 10-A is probably right though.
Neanderthal: Remove the 9-B via weapons, that falls under piercing damage. Same story for Floresiensis.
Chimpanzees: (If anything in this CRT’s gonna be controversial, it’s this): “Street level (Bonobos can jump one-third higher than human athletes and generate as much force as humans nearly two times heavier, and Chimpanzees in contact with Bonobos have constantly always overpowered and scared them. There has been no recorded instance ever of a human overpowering a Chimpanzee)” Hoo boy
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/chimpanzees-humans-sizing-strength/story?id=16696826#:~:text="Chimps are incredibly strong and,formerly of Pennsylvania State University. – 4x human strength by weight, but Chimps are way lighter than humans.
https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-superhumanly-strong-as-we-thought-they-were/ This article says 1.5x in equal body mass, which would make them 10-C
https://slate.com/technology/2009/02/how-strong-is-a-chimpanzee-really.html This article says chimps are stronger, but not 4 times stronger than humans.
https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0626/Why-gorillas-can-t-throw-fastballs#:~:text="In many ways they look,figure with their respective projectiles Not only that, though, but chimps are ill-suited to striking. They fight by pulling (LS) and biting (Piercing damage). The arms of apes (with the exception of humans) do a terrible job at making rapid, forward motions, such as a throw or a punch. .
No idea what the new rating should be, but 9-C is wanky. 10-A or 10-B are a lot better, imo.
Orangutan: Same story, except they’re way stronger than a chimp… but still bad at punching. Definitely should never go below 10-A, and 9-C might still be justified… idk.
Gorilla: “Wall level (Just by swinging their arms, they can knock a woman over. A blackback around 11 to 12 years of age was able to perform a running overhand smash with enough force to fracture the protective glass of his enclosure, with reinforced glass being durable enough to withstand full-powered charges from lions without issues though this was due to environmental issues and the fact that more than one silverback had charged at the glass before)” Considering the KE stuff, the explaination in the rating itself, and the fact that, as seen in the link about the glass, a gorilla enclosure’s reinforced glass is thinner than a lion’s, 9-C+ sounds better. He didn’t even break the glass, he just cracked it. It’s worth giving a reminder that 9-C+ is still very superhuman.
Homo Habilis: “Street level (Was considered to be a confrontational scavenger that stole kills from predators such as jackals and cheetahs)” You don’t need to be 9-C to do this. A lone jackal’s gonna be terrified of a small group of aggressive 10-B humans, nevermind that they knew how to use tools.
Homo Erectus: “At least Athlete level, likely Street level (Known to have cannibalized other humans and large apes, killed and ate hyenas. More muscled than modern humans and theorized to have killed and eaten them by some, likely killed and consumed Dinopithecus)” Through weapon usage, not sheer strength. 10-A is probably right though.
Neanderthal: Remove the 9-B via weapons, that falls under piercing damage. Same story for Floresiensis.
California Condor Louse - An animal with a very interesting history, but it's just a random parasite that can't even affect humans.
Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite - This one's so specific and weak it might deserve a profile, IDK.
Habrobacon Hebetor - A small wasp. It's a fierce fighter, but most wasps are, and we've got bigger, scarier ones. It does have an interesting resistance to Radiation, though.
Tree Weta - Has irritating acid, but I don't think that's noteworthy enough.
Antarctic Midge - Somewhat noteworthy resistances, nothing else.
Dust Mite - Nothing noteworthy.
Antarctic Krill - Nothing combat-applicable.
Antarctic Springtail - Nothing combat-applicable.
Giant Scoliid Wasp - It's a huge wasp but we have bigger ones.
Synagris Cornuta - Very cool looking, but not noteworthy in combat.
Giant Ichneumon Wasp - Not particularly noteworthy.
Cicada Killer Wasp - Cool wasp, but not too noteworthy.
Flower Wasp - Wasp
Northern Pacific Sea Star, Red-Knobbed Sea Star, Chocolate Chip Sea Star, Blue Sea Star - Literally all have the same P&A lol. Leaving the Crown of Thorns because it's huge and has other abilities and the Seven-Armed Sea Star because it's fast and big.
Leopard Slug and Yellow Slug - The Garden Snail should be kept cause it's the most famous one and has a shell, the Red Triangle Slug has strong adhesive and the Banana Slug is huge.
Bonefish - Fairly fast fish, otherwise not noteworthy.
Chub Mackerel - Completely un-noteworthy 10-C fish (even with KE)
Piper Gurnard - Same as the Mackerel
Obama's Basslet - Holy shit guys I found Obama's last name. Anyway, small fish, no abilities, and we already have Thanos Simonattoi.
Devil's Hole Pupfish - Small fish. Also, killing one would probably put you in jail.
Green Anole/Knight Anole - Pages are literally identical, but the Green Anole is smaller so delete that one I guess.
Adelie Penguin - The smallest penguin we have, out of three.
Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite - This one's so specific and weak it might deserve a profile, IDK.
Habrobacon Hebetor - A small wasp. It's a fierce fighter, but most wasps are, and we've got bigger, scarier ones. It does have an interesting resistance to Radiation, though.
Tree Weta - Has irritating acid, but I don't think that's noteworthy enough.
Antarctic Midge - Somewhat noteworthy resistances, nothing else.
Dust Mite - Nothing noteworthy.
Antarctic Krill - Nothing combat-applicable.
Antarctic Springtail - Nothing combat-applicable.
Giant Scoliid Wasp - It's a huge wasp but we have bigger ones.
Synagris Cornuta - Very cool looking, but not noteworthy in combat.
Giant Ichneumon Wasp - Not particularly noteworthy.
Cicada Killer Wasp - Cool wasp, but not too noteworthy.
Flower Wasp - Wasp
Northern Pacific Sea Star, Red-Knobbed Sea Star, Chocolate Chip Sea Star, Blue Sea Star - Literally all have the same P&A lol. Leaving the Crown of Thorns because it's huge and has other abilities and the Seven-Armed Sea Star because it's fast and big.
Leopard Slug and Yellow Slug - The Garden Snail should be kept cause it's the most famous one and has a shell, the Red Triangle Slug has strong adhesive and the Banana Slug is huge.
Bonefish - Fairly fast fish, otherwise not noteworthy.
Chub Mackerel - Completely un-noteworthy 10-C fish (even with KE)
Piper Gurnard - Same as the Mackerel
Obama's Basslet - Holy shit guys I found Obama's last name. Anyway, small fish, no abilities, and we already have Thanos Simonattoi.
Devil's Hole Pupfish - Small fish. Also, killing one would probably put you in jail.
Green Anole/Knight Anole - Pages are literally identical, but the Green Anole is smaller so delete that one I guess.
Adelie Penguin - The smallest penguin we have, out of three.
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