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Yeah, I just watched the movie Tusk about a month ago in case anyone wondering why I brought up the Walrus example. But anyway, what Crimson linked will suffice on that point.
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Thank you, I know you made a lot of these pages, so it must be hard. If you want you can copy/paste them into a sandbox if you don't wanna lose them.Habrobracon can stay via its notable resistance to radiation. In fact it has the highest resistance to radiation of all animals iirc
besides that I agree with everything
Wouldn't that be piercing damage? That said, the way I see it, the strongest Anomalocaris is on this wiki the better, so if any of you has an argument for tier 1, I'll accept it.Extinct Animals
- Anomalocaris
- Attack Potency - I don't agree with 10-C. Anomalocaris is able to create bite marks in the shells of trilobites, the link in the OP clearly states this. While it is not able to actually crack them, nor does it do it often, it's clearly able to break them. Also, meter-long sea creatures are often considered to be equal to humans in terms of strength. 10-B honestly sounds good to me though, 10-A is clearly wrong.
Isn't that 9-C and piercing damage? Besides, it doesn't really say it punctured bone, just that it punctured.
- Jaekelopterus
- Attack Potency - It's claws were able to puncture bone. While the justification we have now for 9-B is incorrect, I'm not 100% convinced that the rating is wrong.
Well, every time I think something is just an idiot's ramblings, it turns out it's a professional idiot's ramblings, huh.
- Archaeopteryx
- Water Walking - The study is here. It just needs to get linked.
As above
- Spinosaurus
- Enhanced Senses - Study is here. Again, just needs to be linked to the profile.
It's like, small, though. 50 kg, and very lanky. I bet you could mess one up with a good kick. It could only really kill a human with teeth, and even then they were adapted for small prey. I'm not saying it couldn't kill a human, mind you, a 10-B animal can totally do that, but you understand that "Athletic Human (Could probably kill a human)" isn't very good justification.
- Troodon
- Attack Potency - 10-B implies that a normal human can take this thing bare-handed, which I don't agree with. 9-C might be too high, but I would be in favor of 10-A.
Fair 'nuff
- Mosasaurus
- Movement Speed - As a predator, Mosasaurus should be at least comparable to large sea organisms of modern times, such as whales. They could easily reach 14 m/s over short bursts. This is actually Superhuman. Therefore, I disagree.
Yeah, they were probably a bit larger than ostrichs actually.
- Ornithomimus
- Attack Potency - I'd compare this thing to an ostrich due to it's similar shape and size, which is actually 9-C. So, I disagree with a downgrade.
Eh, fair.
- T-Rex
- Attack Potency - I actually disagree with this. It could be reworded, but the gist of the profile is meant to explain that T-Rex is superior to the Great White Shark and Saltwater Crocodile, both of whom are 9-B, possibly higher.
- Vibration Manipulation - By roaring? Absolutely not. Vibration Manipulation needs to go. Every single creature on Earth or fiction can create vibrations with its mouth. It's how sound works.
I mean, that was what I was saying, yeah. Eyeballing it, it's totally 9-B, but pressure is weird so I wasn't so sure before your anaconda justification.
- Titanoboa
- Attack Potency - I disagree. Seeing as an Anaconda is also 9-B, either we downgrade both, or neither
Cool crab friend : )
- Coconut Crab
- Attack Potency - I agree. Even 10-A seems a bit high t- oh they're a meter wide. Thanks for the nightmares, and 10-A sounds good.
To be fair, that was a particularly huge lobster, so maybe we should have the profile say "10-A, up to 9-C in particularly large specimens" or something
- Lobster
- Attack Potency - I agree. Lobster should be in line for an upgrade. I read through the article, and the general consensus was that the lobster very easily could break someone's arm.
Fair
- Staghorn Coral
- Movement Speed - I disagree. They capture fish that actually touch them, then drain nutrients in a similar fashion to sea sponges. They are still technically immobile, as they are ambush predators and filter feeders by nature.
Huh
- Turritopsis Dohrnii
- Poison Manipulation - I disagree. These jellies are not poisonous.
Y-yeah that oughta get fixed
- A larger issue is that the picture shown is actually not the right type of jelly. This is what the Turritopsis Dohrnii actually looks like
For what little it matters, I do remember hearing that in a documentary.
- Crown-of-thorns Sea Star
- Duplication - At the moment, I'm gonna disagree. A quick google didn't tell me anything about CoT sea stars duplicating. I know some stars can do it, but I need evidence for this guy in particular before I'm convinced.
Fair
- Blue Glaucus
- Absorption - I disagree. This is textbook power absorption, the blue boy literally only has poison manipulation through stealing it from the man o'war.
A'ight, that was the kinda thing I wanted to point out and have discussed more than just remove it without a talk
- Colossal Squid / Giant Squid
- Large Size - I disagree. The tentacles count as part of it's size
Fair enough, that oughta be mentioned in both profiles then.
- Anaconda
- Attack Potency - It's enough to actually crush bones and ribs, and crack a femur. This is why I refuse at the Titanoboa being downgraded, as it is almost 4.5 stronger than this
I can kill young children too, though, and I'm 10-B. er, anyways, aren't bulldogs a bit lighter than pitbulls, usually?
- Bulldog
- Attack Potency - I spat out my drink when I read 9-C. I agree. Due to bulldogs having the capacity to kill young children, they should probably get 10-A, but that's just my opinion and I will accept 10-B. My main justification is that they are comparable to pit bulls, who are definitely 10-A.
Maybe we should count that as piercing damage? There's no way their physical strength is 9-C, size considered.
- Honey Badger
- Attack Potency - Yes, we are scared of them because they are super aggressive, but their bites also can break bones. Pretty sure that's an upgrade to 10-A/9-C, not a downgrade to 10-C. I disagree with the downgrade.
Meh, it's more of an intimidation thing than a straight-up fight, but fair enough.
- Otter
- Attack Potency - I would support 10-B, as not many animals can screw with a jaguar.
Holy ****. That said, it's kind of similar to how goats climb, it's not climbing off of anything like Spider-Man does, it's just using (very small) steps
- Mouse/Rat
- Surface Scaling - "They can't Spider-Man their way up walls" Are you sure about that? I don't accept this.
Fair enough.
- Aardvark
- Attack Potency - 9-C the aardvark aint, but I can't accept 10-C when we are dealing with a creature up to 1.3 meters long and weighing in at up to 65kg. That would put it below the Peregrine Falcon
Fair and fair, I was mostly looking for justifications.
- Walrus
- Attack Potency - Walruses can't challenge polar bears. Here is a video of walruses not giving a damn about a polar bear literally on top of them. I don't agree with a downgrade.
- Elephant Seal
- Attack Potency - Elephant Seals are twice the weight and slightly longer than walruses, who we already covered. And when your only real predator is the orca, you're doing pretty well. I disagree with a downgrade.
The day I dreaded finally arrivesThis is all I'm gonna cover for now. I'll write another comment covering my opinions on monke and the pages identified for deletion tomorrow, as well as respond to any debate about my points.
Yeah, makes sense. Though, I feel like without their tusks Polar Bears would definitely have a chance of preying on adult Walruses.I'm worried people are going to shut up about Walruses, but the Walrus usually win against Polar Bears given they're bigger, tougher, and their tusk hurt Polar Bear a lot more than the tooth and claw of Bears hurt Walruses. It's mostly just baby Walruses that are in danger of Polar Bears.
Tier 1 animals yes, because my house door cat sure be able to preform 1-As featsWouldn't that be piercing damage? That said, the way I see it, the strongest Anomalocaris is on this wiki the better, so if any of you has an argument for tier 1, I'll accept it.
Sounds good to me!Tier 1 animals yes, because my house door cat sure be able to preform 1-As feats
I will never shut up about Walruses. I'd sooner die.I'm worried people are going to shut up about Walruses
Without feats, I don't know if we could give 'em 10-B... but they are quite strong.10-C to 9-C sounds absolutely insane, but makes a bit more sense when American Lobsters range from 1 inch to 4 feet long. I do wonder though, even the smallest lobsters have an absolutely insane grip strength. Would that still restrict them to 10-C?
I dont See Why not its creditable in valid Websites such as National Geographic also A charged cheetah's tackle can likely kill a human with peak durabilityThat's... not really directly applicable to our tiering system. And "I think he could kill a human" isn't really an amazing argument.
Ok chill i didnt say i am not gonna provide sources lolWe're no longer scaling KE to animals' physical stats. And while a Cheetah tackling you head-first would probably kill you, it would also kill the Cheetah.
Where's all that other stuff you're talking about? I wanna see studies, not baseless claims, this isn't an obscure character from a non-translated manga that people have read, prove your argument that cheetahs can easily kill humans in a direct fight with sources or drop the argument.
So will bulls still have tackle AP?I think we should keep GPE out of this discussion completely, after all we removed KE because most animals don't attack by tackling, this isn't any different.
But then wouldn't all humans be 10-A what?10-A: Weighing between 40 and 80 kg, about the size of an average human. Monkeys and small apes fit in here, as well as small dinosaurs.