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The Green Anole is my preferred out of the two Anole pages. When you have two species of small lizard, the smaller one is the more noteworthy of the two. Also, I have a personal grudge against anyone that puts the kinetic energy formula into a profile.

The Adelie Penguin should not be the only casualty here. If we have three species of penguins, we really only need one since they are all functionally identical. In my mind, the Gentoo should also get the axe, since the Emperor Penguin is iconic.

I'm gonna argue for the Tree Weta. While it might be extremely niche, the Tree Weta is a big part of New Zealand cultural identity, has some neat poison in its vomit, and is one of the largest insects in the world. If it gets deleted, that will be a shame.

Another animal that I want to argue for is the Devil's Hole Pupfish. Putting it on this wiki gives a bit more publicity to a critically endangered fish that sorely needs it. While it is irrelevant for the purposes of VS Debating, it would be nice to keep it for that purpose.

I have no dog in the fight for any other creature though, and am willing to let the people decide.
 
Ok so someone apparently edited the Chimpanzee page to be 10-A to 9-C without asking here, just saying "hopefully these scans will be enough". I'm unreasonably annoyed by this, but I'd like to get some opinions on it before I ask for it to be reverted. The only thing worth a damn there is the leopard neck snap, IMO, and even then that was done with a bite, so piercing damage.
 
Anyway, here's a list of the opinions on deletion candidates, sorry for the wait. (Might have missed something, my bad if that's the case) If something has no comment to it, it's probably fine to delete, though I wouldn't mind one last set of opinions about it

California Condor Louse - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Habrobacon Hebetor - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Tree Weta - Tllm thinks it should be kept, and Azoth does too, adding that it's an iconic New Zealand insect.

Antarctic Midge - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Dust Mite

Antarctic Krill

Antarctic Springtail

Giant Scoliid Wasp

Synagris Cornuta - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Giant Ichneumon Wasp

Cicada Killer Wasp

Flower Wasp

Northern Pacific Sea Star, Red-Knobbed Sea Star, Chocolate Chip Sea Star, Blue Sea Star

Leopard Slug and Yellow Slug

Bonefish

Chub Mackerel

Piper Gurnard

Obama's Basslet - yeah

Devil's Hole Pupfish - Azoth thinks it should be kept

Green Anole/Knight Anole - Azoth brought up that the Green Anole should be kept cause it's smaller, I'm neutral on which one's axed

Adelie Penguin - Azoth brought up that the Gentoo Penguin should also be axed, and I agree.
 
One of the slugs should be kept while the other should be axed, I'm in favour of Leopard Slug staying because it looks cooler
Same logic with Sea Stars and I want Northern Pacific Sea Star
Chub Mackerel has camouflage so I mean it's unique compared to other fishes

The rest outside those I already commented on and Azoth was cool with should be fine to stay
 
We have other slugs of that variety, which is why I'm proposing both of those are axed- the Red Triangle Slug and the Banana Slug more than suffice.
Same story for stars

It isn't on most of them's profiles (it should be) but 95% of fish use countershading. Basically any with a silvery, reflective coloration, or any with a darker color on the top half than the bottom half (like great white sharks) are using countershading.
 
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We have other slugs of that variety, which is why I'm proposing both of those are axed- the Red Triangle Slug and the Banana Slug more than suffice.
Same story for stars

It isn't on most of them's profiles (it should be) but 95% of fish use countershading. Basically any with a silvery, reflective coloration, or any with a darker color on the top half than the bottom half (like great white sharks) are using countershading.
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Ah aight then they can be axed
Although do those other slug pages have adhesive manipulation?
 
Yeah, the Red Triangle Slug has really strong adhesive, uses it as a defense mechanism.
 
Yeah but that's a KE thing, and that was agreed to be revised already, it just hasn't been applied.
 
I pretty much agree with Crimson Azoth about us not needing so many duplicates based on subspecies; as a more general species should suffice; if we have three different penguin species that are very much identical; we could just merge them as penguins. I also agree fish or butterflies named after controversial politicians should be removed; considering the Trump Butterfly was removed, Obama's Basslet should too. Instead of multiple Krill or Wasp profiles; I think a general krill or wasp profile might be better but could mention variants if there are differences; it's most super different things of a species need their own profiles. Though, fish should have some variety since we don't need entire Families having their own profiles.
 
Armorchompy said:
Ok so someone apparently edited the Chimpanzee page to be 10-A to 9-C without asking here, just saying "hopefully these scans will be enough". I'm unreasonably annoyed by this, but I'd like to get some opinions on it before I ask for it to be reverted. The only thing worth a damn there is the leopard neck snap, IMO, and even then that was done with a bite, so piercing damage.
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Mostly I wanna bring attention to this, it kinda ticks me off
 
Does anyone else have any opinion? I don't really know dogs that well.
 
Can somebody remind us what we need to do here please?
 
We need to decide whether to remove the Chimpanzee's 9-C rating (that was edited in by an user without asking it here, thought they did add some justifications, I just kinda disagree) and I'd like one last opinion on the deletion of certain pages, which I've listed here.

Armorchompy said:
Anyway, here's a list of the opinions on deletion candidates, sorry for the wait. (Might have missed something, my bad if that's the case) If something has no comment to it, it's probably fine to delete, though I wouldn't mind one last set of opinions about it

California Condor Louse - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Caribbean Monk Seal Nasal Mite - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Habrobacon Hebetor - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Tree Weta - Tllm thinks it should be kept, and Azoth does too, adding that it's an iconic New Zealand insect.

Antarctic Midge - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Dust Mite

Antarctic Krill

Antarctic Springtail

Giant Scoliid Wasp

Synagris Cornuta - Tllm thinks it should be kept

Giant Ichneumon Wasp

Cicada Killer Wasp

Flower Wasp

Northern Pacific Sea Star, Red-Knobbed Sea Star, Chocolate Chip Sea Star, Blue Sea Star

Leopard Slug and Yellow Slug

Bonefish

Chub Mackerel

Piper Gurnard

Obama's Basslet - yeah

Devil's Hole Pupfish - Azoth thinks it should be kept

Green Anole/Knight Anole - Azoth brought up that the Green Anole should be kept cause it's smaller, I'm neutral on which one's axed

Adelie Penguin - Azoth brought up that the Gentoo Penguin should also be axed, and I agree.
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Okay. If you list some members that you think might be able and willing to help out, I can notify them.
 
Sorry. Tllmbrg was already here.
 
Well, i can't read a 2 page thread right away so i'll just respond to the immediate questions.

I don't see why stronger Chimps wouldn't be 9-C, considering they are usually much stronger than a human. I mean, once of them even almost broke a windshield with a stomp.

Would the deleted pages be axed for redundancy reasons? If so, i agree with their deletion.
 
Alright, breaking a windshield like it happens in movies is 9-C, we don't have a calc for just cracking it. As for why they shouldn't be, it's agreed a chimp is usually 1.5x a human's strength, which is 10-A, even if you take baseline 10-A as the human.

And, yes.
 
Most of this has been applied btw, all I need is opinions on this stuff.
 
That is obviously a dramatization and a reconstruction (and dare I say, one meant for spectacle, and not accuracy, as most american documentaries are), we don't know how many blows it took to smash that windshield, and it absolutely, certainly did not do so as effortlessly as shown in the video. Not only is that chimp who did it a giant by chimp standards, but since the car belonged to a local guide, it might have been a flimsier sort.

It's also worth mentioning our fragmentation calculations are, by our own admission, a huge generalization, so I'd give them less weight than any other kinda feat when it comes to IRL.
 
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Armorchompy seems to make good points.
 
He can probably apply his conclusions then.
 
If you ask me, I think the Dust Mite should be kept, primarily due to a lack of near-microscopic life forms. That and the Adelie Penguin because Adelie's are pretty assertive for penguins, plus they kinda stand out from other animals in terms of having a unique weakness (a general disregard for safety). I can agree with Azoth on the Green Anole as it would be a fair representative of the lizards we see climbing on our windows and such. Not sure on the Knight Anole though unless we can get some decent feats on that.

Antarctic Krill, I'm neutral about. I mean while the article I wrote on it tried to show as much information as necessary for the profile given it is the most common organism in the world, I'm not sure if it would've really put up a good fight. I'm also neutral on the Chocolate Chip Sea Star because I think it would make for a good representative of a "normal" starfish, but at the same time, I can understand why others want it removed. The other three listed, I'm fine with their removal.

I will suggest Juramaia as a candidate for removal. I dunno what I was thinking for that one beyond "lol, Mesozoic era mammal, heavy unique". Xerxes Blue as well because I don't think it really had any justifications that allow us to figure out its power. Besides, Monarch Butterfly would've been a better butterfly rep anyway. Death Cap Mushroom would be another candidate for deletion; I had thought about it for a while and I never brought it in me to say it.
 
So some things on paleo profiles before we close:

A lot of the animals such as Dimetrodon have values on the page but no calculation link or anything of the sort.
Dilophosaurus went through some makeovers recently suggesting the animal was much more muscular and powerful than thought prior, and the curve in its jaw was due to the bone breaking during preservation. Most likely means the animal was on average heavier and its teeth have been found able to pierce bone. Might need to do some revisions there.
Pliosaurus was a Jurassic animal to where did "Can grab the necks of a T-Rex" come from for lifting strength?
This page is a hot mess
We could probably add that Deinosuchus hunted dinosaurs and giant sea turtles as proven by coprolites
Troodon technically doesn't exist anymore
Spinosaurus is currently considered an animal that hunted on land and in water though it's now believed it wasn't an aquatic pursuit predator (kinda hard to move 7-8 tons fast in water anyway). Essentially a giant grizzly bear.
Velociraptor is cited as having a bite force of 1000 PSI without a source. Might wanna put one.
Dinofelis was actually a predator of grazing animals but 9-C is still easily on the table, the animal was the size of a jaguar.
 
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