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i agree, RPL is a power of its own and different to AD, i disagree with the removal
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Reactive Power Level should be deleted
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Reactive Power Level used to be just a limited version of Reactive Evolution, but a page was made later, and Accelerated Development was made by DontTalkDT well after Reactive Power Level was made; I think that should give a reminder of how things were.
Vietthai96
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i only know about RE and RPL, but idk that AD was made later
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I checked their edit histories and saw the dates in which each page was made.
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What about characters like Ungrim? Who's properties as a Slayer means his AP is always going to comparable to his opponent automatically if they are stronger than him, it's not him growing stronger over time, he is just automatically strong enough to do damage( this doesn't affect his other stats just his ap in this very specific way)
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that's not RPL, seems more like a form of power modification /statics amplification
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It's literally their power reacting to an opponent being stronger than them you cannot tell me the latter two are somehow more fitting
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I moved this trhead to our staff forum, where all threads regarding official wiki policy changes, such as this one, should always be placed.
Anyway, as others here have said, reactive power level is the ability to grow stronger through taking damage during combat or via exerting oneself in battle situations, so it isn't quite the same thing as accelerated development, i.e. growing stronger much quicker than normal via training and experience, but if RPL is already mentioned as a sub-type in the AD page, I don't particularly mind if somebody expands on the information in that section while mentioning the Reactive Power Level title, and we turn the old page into a redirect link. That way all of the characters that currently have the power listed can keep it, and we don't have to engage in a very time-consuming revision project.
Anyway, as others here have said, reactive power level is the ability to grow stronger through taking damage during combat or via exerting oneself in battle situations, so it isn't quite the same thing as accelerated development, i.e. growing stronger much quicker than normal via training and experience, but if RPL is already mentioned as a sub-type in the AD page, I don't particularly mind if somebody expands on the information in that section while mentioning the Reactive Power Level title, and we turn the old page into a redirect link. That way all of the characters that currently have the power listed can keep it, and we don't have to engage in a very time-consuming revision project.
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I agree with the deletion. Already advertised for that when the reactive power level page was made. (or, to be specific, I advertised for reactive power level to be created as accelerated development but people didn't want that for some reason)
Personally I think it's better incorporated into AD than into RE.
Personally I think it's better incorporated into AD than into RE.
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Do you find my suggested solution above acceptable?
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Yeah, pretty much.
Accelerated Development already mentions a "Battle" type that is nothing but Reactive Powerlevel. We can just rename that.
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I'm fine with the pages being merged if it's expanded upon in the merged page and a redirect link is made.
While they are distinct powers, that distinction doesn't seem large enough to warrant entirely separate pages when subsets would do the trick.
While they are distinct powers, that distinction doesn't seem large enough to warrant entirely separate pages when subsets would do the trick.
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As long as that part gets more expansion, I'm all in for it, I suppose.
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So, to keep within the format of AD but to incorporate what is on the RPL page, maybe:
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Looks good.
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That's currently not mentioned anywhere on the RPL page, though, so I'm not sure if that is consistent with how the power is currently used.
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I figured, and I know that you know that in a way this is fine & good, which I agree to, but please understand that, in another way, this level of disingenuousness and lack of care for what should be done & is good for the wiki is not welcomed. Staff don't randomly decide this because they have the word staff associated to them and that maybe means something, they're far more likely to not argue based on feelings like that and evaluate what's going on.
It seems different people have different perceptions of what the power is, which is actually very common with our page regardless of what they say. As I said before; It maybe makes you reach the level of stronger foes based on its wording, but not due to being struck of all things. You can very much say this is a development-thing and list it as Accelerated Development, or simply as Stats Amp.
Reactive Evo is to grow superpowers with maybe some Adaptation.
That's wrong, as the OP leads to and another user already said, AD has a type in which only combat triggers it, it being all the same as RPL to the point where it asks to use that power instead if a character only has that. You too argued based on your perception of the powers rather than what they state.
I would have wished you to notice that you were wrong in your former comment but this was annoying. You argue based on feelings and on a topic you admitted to don't care about, no wonder you're going to have a bias on how you want things to be. You should have easily concluded to no longer comment in the thread and just watch.
The first comment quoted says something wrong for a bunch of reasons that would take too much time to go through and the second is just a false equivalence immensely obvious.
I know this is a staff thread now, but potential sub-text can always be missed and it's important to show what was done wrong & shouldn't be done to everyone watching.
This is wrong, there is nothing RPL has that the wording in AD would outright unable it to have and list as AD.
Taking it at face value then that's Empowerment.
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You didn't read the page. Read AD. There are specific types and Battle AD SPECIFICALLY says that the benefits you get from this type of AD are MORE than normal training. RPL is vaguer as it doesn't have to be MORE it can just be smaller incremental boost in strength. Without RPL, there is no hax to cover that ladder half of the spectrum.
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No, "normal training" in this context can be training with no AD/no superpowers to it, so AD and RPL are doing the same. It's not like RPL fears a regular human training matching the grows in power it can give to users in battle.
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I would be fine with the option.
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Yeah, that's the point. Battle AD specifies "regular" training and AD progresses more than that during battle. RPL literally isn't the same bc it doesn't specify any of that making it much more vague so it can progress you during battle but less beneficial than just conventional training. Read the pages.
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If you battle someone and you make less progress than a normal person doing the same battle (i.e. same training) then you have neither of the powers. You have a weakness that makes you grow extra slowly.
To have a superpower you need to be better at the thing you're doing than the average person.
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Shouldn't we also remove power level aspects from Reactive Evolution page as wel?? Keep it pure hax/resistances based.
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DT makes sense then.
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@Eficiente Huh, what the hell, can you stop that kind of attitude, acting all high and mighty because you are staff and think you are btter than everyone else???. I just had some light comment with Confluctor, and write some of my opinion to reply to Sir Oven comment, and you return and attacking all of my comment??. Are you sure you are not comment based on your feeling???. If you don't want me to comment, it is fine, just say normal to me, if you find something from me annoying just say it normally, and i'm sorry for that, if you find my opinion on the matter is wrong, just make a normal counter-arguments, that simple, but why all the lengthy reply and over-sentimental comment???
Well, after the revison done, you can call me to help removing RPL on DBH profiles and re-organize those parts due to them being open because of Micah revision, not many profiles but it will lessen your work. Most of RPL are on Dragon Ball profile anyway but they are currently being locked so i will work on what was already opened
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I can dismiss most of that to not derail the thread, which you shouldn't have talked about here, but to claim that I said that because I'm a staff and because I think himself as better than everyone else crosses the line, I in no way implied that and it follows made up stereotypes madmen follow to cause chaos and oppress.
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I am against merging RPL into AD. Some characters grow stronger naturally while performing the same routines as other characters. In reality we call that being gifted, but on paper that's Accelerated Development.
You don't need to be in a combat setting to develop way faster than your opponent/everyone else. It also doesn't have to be limited to power level. I know characters that grow older faster than normal humans and I list that as AD because with age comes greater physical strength.
RPL on the other hand, is growing stronger in response to a combat situation. That's textbook Reactive Evolution. If evolving to overcome an unfavourable situation is RE, then I'm pretty sure getting beaten up is an unfavourable situation and getting stronger as a result is RE.
You don't need to be in a combat setting to develop way faster than your opponent/everyone else. It also doesn't have to be limited to power level. I know characters that grow older faster than normal humans and I list that as AD because with age comes greater physical strength.
RPL on the other hand, is growing stronger in response to a combat situation. That's textbook Reactive Evolution. If evolving to overcome an unfavourable situation is RE, then I'm pretty sure getting beaten up is an unfavourable situation and getting stronger as a result is RE.
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The way it's written with "grows" here and there it seems to imply AD, and it makes no emphasis on what evolution is. I don't have an issue with Reative Evolution having grows in powers as a potential part of it, as it is intuitive by its name, but only as long as the other requirements are met.
"Reactive Evolution is the ability to, in response to threats and adverse situations, evolve in ways the user previously lacked. This allowing them to be better capable of dealing with said issues faced, and this evolution can come in the following ways:
- Developing new powers or abilities
- Developing new resistances
- Developing on stats. However, if this is the only way in which they "evolve", then Accelerated Development should be given instead to avoid redundancy."
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I find the difference between evolving and developing stats to be arbitrary. Evolution doesn't need dedicated opposition to adapt against. You can evolve against smallest of adversities or just grow stronger passively.
Although, how much you grow may depend on circumstances.
Although, how much you grow may depend on circumstances.
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agree with this, to make an example there is this character that when fighting he becomes stronger, but only and excetuvely when fighting,
Tatsumi (Akame ga Kill!)
Everyone has their own reasons to fight! Sometimes you have to settle it yourself or there's no way forward!Tatsumi Once an idealistic country bumpkin with dreams of making it big by working for the Empire, Tatsumi is the newest member of Night Raid, the Revolutionary Army's assassination team...
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It's more so the "reactive" part. Reactive insinuates a response to something, which is not what AD is.
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I don't understand the point of the first paragraph.
It has been pointed out many times that AD even has a type for combat, that even asks to use RPL when a character only has that. There is literally no difference between using that type or RPL, you aren't arguing semantics, you're just wrong. AD doesn't even need that type, if a user gets creative and uses the "Others" type then that works just as well and you don't need a whole new power.agree with this, to make an example there is this character that when fighting he becomes stronger, but only and excetuvely when fighting,
Tatsumi (Akame ga Kill!)
Everyone has their own reasons to fight! Sometimes you have to settle it yourself or there's no way forward!Tatsumi Once an idealistic country bumpkin with dreams of making it big by working for the Empire, Tatsumi is the newest member of Night Raid, the Revolutionary Army's assassination team...
As said in the comment above, the point of Reactive Evolution should be what makes it unique while sticking to what it means.
What I seem to get from the first paragraph in Sir Ovens' comment, the last part quoted here and his last comment, is that he takes abilities from what they sound rather than their practicality on the wiki, which is wrong. There are many powers out there that at face value are things humans can already do, the point is that they need to happen in a superhuman way. So why aren't RPL and AD the same? They are the same.
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Development is "reacting" to stimulation during training or "reacting" to things in mundane life in passive development.
Like at that point it's all different perspective as far as naming the phenomenon.
Putting stat evolution in battle part in AD doesn't hurt. It's just shifting the stuff into one page.
You can just mention that on Characters page what kinds of stat development they have.
For example,
Accelerated Development( Statistical, Skill, Intelligence via Passive, Training, Battle):- Proof; Reactive Evolution( Yada Yada Hax, Yada Yada Resistance):- Proof;
Like at that point it's all different perspective as far as naming the phenomenon.
Putting stat evolution in battle part in AD doesn't hurt. It's just shifting the stuff into one page.
You can just mention that on Characters page what kinds of stat development they have.
For example,
Accelerated Development( Statistical, Skill, Intelligence via Passive, Training, Battle):- Proof; Reactive Evolution( Yada Yada Hax, Yada Yada Resistance):- Proof;
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You just mention AD(Battle) and call it a day in that case.agree with this, to make an example there is this character that when fighting he becomes stronger, but only and excetuvely when fighting,
Tatsumi (Akame ga Kill!)
Everyone has their own reasons to fight! Sometimes you have to settle it yourself or there's no way forward!Tatsumi Once an idealistic country bumpkin with dreams of making it big by working for the Empire, Tatsumi is the newest member of Night Raid, the Revolutionary Army's assassination team...
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