Raiden vs Yujiro

[Moritzva]

I don't know, he has the S K I L L but Jack can chop him to salsa quite easily

I just noticed it has almost 400 replies, wow. Are Yujiro threads always like that?

And Ikki threads, yes.

 

[SpookyShadow]

>Raiden: 1

WHAT?!

Wait, I'll count...

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I could be wrong this is was a long time ago, if you do get some thing different then I'll update, but one thing I know is that Baki and soul of cinder switch to incon.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Voted Raiden:

Me, Migue, Wright, Noodles, Cropfist, Twellas and Ciruno (I believe)

Voted Yujiro:

Ion, Xx.davidparra, KGiffoni, BsuKing

Voted incon:

Baki and Soul


That's what I got from CTRL + F at least.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I'll check for myself to see

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

0.5 seconds really shouldn't even be a factor here considering that Jack is a cyborg with a synthetic brain.

 

[SpookyShadow]

0.5 seconds really shouldn't even be a factor here considering that Jack is a cyborg with a synthetic brain.

Well... 1/4 of debate was about that, 2/4 was about revisions for Jack and talking about multipliers, and not-entire 1/4 about the actual fight

 

[NotoriouSoda]

If you guy want to I can restrict the HF blade if it's become a stomp

 

[SpookyShadow]

Nah, it's good.

 

[KGiffoni]

0.5 seconds really shouldn't even be a factor here considering that Jack is a cyborg with a synthetic brain.

It should if there's no indication his reaction system isn't equal to that of an human lol

There's a reason he's a cyborg and not a robot

 

[KGiffoni]

If you guy want to I can restrict the HF blade if it's become a stomp

Yujiro fights with people who ignore durability all the time in the wiki, there's no need to restrict it.

Yujiro one-shots too anyways so yeah

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

No, it's up to you to prove that 0.5 seconds is gonna work against a cyborg, if he doesn't have those feats then it can't be assumed to work on a cyborg. His brain along with the majority of his body are synthetic, so you'll need scans of Yujiro doing such.


Then again, not surprised to catch you wanking on a Baki thread.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Didn't Yujiro get Pseudo Intangibility and Invisibility.

Also no fighting over two fictional characters guys.

 

[KGiffoni]

No. There's a difference between having a synthetic brain (this doesn't make you immune to 0.5sU) and having a nervous system that doesn't work like a human one (this makes you immune to 0.5sU).

I'm not wanking, i'm just giving my opinion. And i'm pretty sure i've never wanked the Bakiverse before, even if i'm a big supporter of it.

 

[KGiffoni]

Didn't Yujiro get Pseudo Intangibility and Invisibility.

Also no fighting over two fictional characters guys.

Yeah he did

Instinctive Reaction too

 

[BakiHanma18]

Yeah, for one, I'm not seeing anything to say his brain's reactionary system was in anyway changed, and Yujiro has gotten Pseudo Intang via Afterimage Creation, Instinctive Reaction, and limited invisibility, so, while I'm not deciding anything rn, I'm starting to lean back toward Yujiro

 

[Twellas]

The deal is this

Raiden's base is far stronger than Yujiro's

It's not in-character for Yujiro to go DB\0,5 RIGHT AWAY, while it's ENTIRELY in character for Jack to amp himself with RM and BM his opponent to death right away, which is something that would 100% kill Yujiro due to HF dura-neg the instant 10x speed amp and AP amp.

Even if we say that the 0,5 seconds DO work on Raiden (i don't believe it tbh, but whatever), Raiden can tank a 10 minute long beatdown from a bloodlusted guy guy who is stronger than Yujiro's base and he also has Type 2 immortality, so even if Yujiro DOES manage to land a lethal blow, Raiden can keep going.

All Raiden has to do is land a single strike and it's game-over for Yujiro, while Yujiro would have to amp himself to even harm Raiden and Raiden would still be able to take A WHOLE LOT of punishment without even suffering it.

I'm still on Raiden's side

 

[Twellas]

Yeah, for one, I'm not seeing anything to say his brain's reactionary system was in anyway changed, and Yujiro has gotten Pseudo Intang via Afterimage Creation, Instinctive Reaction, and limited invisibility, so, while I'm not deciding anything rn, I'm starting to lean back toward Yujiro

Actually there is, Raiden's brain and reactions can just speed thmselves up, that's what he does when he goes BM

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Raiden FRA, 0.5 shouldn't work given Raiden's cybernetic body, in turn his body leaves Yujiro without durability negation, higher AP and durability in his base and the fact that all Jack needs is one slash and it's game over for Yujiro.

 

[Twellas]

The deal here is that even if the 0,5 worked, Yujiro wouldn't be able to do anything relevant to Raiden during that time and he would be turned into smithereens as soon as the 0,5 are over

 

[KGiffoni]

The deal is this

Raiden's base is far stronger than Yujiro's

It's not in-character for Yujiro to go DB\0,5 RIGHT AWAY, while it's ENTIRELY in character for Jack to amp himself with RM and BM his opponent to death right away, which is something that would 100% kill Yujiro due to HF dura-neg the instant 10x speed amp and AP amp.

Even if we say that the 0,5 seconds DO work on Raiden (i don't believe it tbh, but whatever), Raiden can tank a 10 minute long beatdown from a bloodlusted guy guy who is stronger than Yujiro's base and he also has Type 2 immortality, so even if Yujiro DOES manage to land a lethal blow, Raiden can keep going.

All Raiden has to do is land a single strike and it's game-over for Yujiro, while Yujiro would have to amp himself to even harm Raiden and Raiden would still be able to take A WHOLE LOT of punishment without even suffering it.

I'm still on Raiden's side

If everything you say is true then this is rather stompy

Unless we were to restrict BM and RM

 

[SpookyShadow]

I mean, both don't boost him to another tier, so idk if it will get added after restricting them.

 

[Twellas]

even if we do restict both of those, the fact still stands that all Raiden needs is a single slash and he can shrug off lethal damage while also being stronger and having a far better lifting strength

 

[Twellas]

I suppose that if we restrict BM and RM Yujiro would have a chance of going DB but i honestly don't know if he would normally it in-character before dying, because Raiden's whole thing is being bloodlusted from the get-go and immediately going for the kill

 

[KGiffoni]

6th sense and Instinctive Reaction, on top of a massive skill gap should cover that

 

[KGiffoni]

I mean, both don't boost him to another tier, so idk if it will get added after restricting them.

You can't put a baseline 9-B with a toptier 9-B, yet they're the same tier

The logic is the same here

 

[SpookyShadow]

The thing is that Jack can cut at higher range than just melee range, as his blade can cut even objects he don't make direct physical contact with, and he did that at the beginning of game with his greatly inferior HF Blade. And Yujiro kinda sucks when it comes to range.

 

[Twellas]

6th sense and Instinctive Reaction, on top of a massive skill gap should cover that

You guys are seriously underestimating Raiden's skills, yes, Yujiro IS better overall, but Raiden is still on par with Sam, who can fight people who are a full tier above him just through sheer swordsmanship.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Incoming 10-C's fighting 7-C's in Baki arguments

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

The logic isn't the same here, if we remove BM AND RM then we'd also need go remove DM.

 

[Twellas]

I mean, both don't boost him to another tier, so idk if it will get added after restricting them.

You can't put a baseline 9-B with a toptier 9-B, yet they're the same tier

The logic is the same here

"baseline" and "top tier" regard AP tho, and the Ap is fairly close here, the problem is hax\character. Setting both of them to bloodlusted would give Yujiro a possibility, so it wouldn't be a stomp, but I honetly think Raiden would still win due to his speed amps being better, the one-hit KO thing and the immortality. But it definitely wouldn't be a stomp due to Yujiro having the AP advantage from going DB

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Raiden FRA.

 

[Twellas]

Honestly, putting both of them at bloodlusted is the best solution, as we wouldn't just arbitrarily remove abilities from one of the characters while making the fight FAR more fair

 

[SpookyShadow]

Better to make a new thread. This one has little space left :v

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

With my vote we hit Grace.

 

[Twellas]

How about we kill this thread and we make another one with both of them bloodlusted in order to make it more fair?

 

[Twellas]

TBH, i really want this match to be on Raiden's profile because his profile is pretty lackluster and he lost some battles he REALLY shouldn't have (COUGH COUGH Dante COUGH COUGH)

 

[SpookyShadow]

lolDTfearhax

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Yeah I'm with killing this thread, starting new seems to be for the better.

 

[Twellas]

Implying Dante would even have the chance to go DT in-character before being turned into salsa