Raiden vs Yujiro

[SpookyShadow]

Well... DMC has more supporters and Raiden arguments didn't have much chance to go through

 

[NotoriouSoda]

To bad Dante is going to be in smash.

Rip Raiden

 

[Twellas]

The problem was that Raiden's profile was very lackluster at the time and people somehow didn't understand what happened to him during Armstrong's bossfight, so they didn't know he was perma-bloodlusted

 

[SpookyShadow]

@Soda

At least we got Snake in Smash

@Twellas

That was MGS4 Jack though

 

[Twellas]

yeah, you're right

Btw, let's kill this thread, @Soda are you gonna be the one to make the new one?

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Still ******* hype for Dante tho

 

[NotoriouSoda]

P.S

I'm going to close this thread in an hour so I'll set up the new match both bloodlusted

 

[SpookyShadow]

Ask some discussion mod, closing threads by yourself is taking threads out of sight (welp, AKM told me so)

 

[KGiffoni]

Are we really doing a match where one of the characters is 10x faster?

 

[NotoriouSoda]

@ Twellas

Yeah I'll set it up in an hour or less

 

[KGiffoni]

Oh Bloodlusted Yujiro seems fair

 

[Twellas]

I'll join the discussion tomorrow, I'm done for today. Don't go at each other's throats ok?

 

[BakiHanma18]

Wait, I'm a little lost here. For one, why wouldn't Yujiro go DB right off the bat? ES is gunna tell him something's wrong, that's a given. Yujiro is not only one of the smartest fighters in a verse of fighting geniuses, he's also one of the most skilled people on the wiki. If I remember correctly, Raiden amps to max as a start all the time, whereas Yujiro only does it when need be, and ES would say this is one of those "need be" situations. Sangan has been given an "at least 2.25x" speed amp rate, and DB amps everything by 4x, so the Yujiro starts with at least a 4x amp and a massive skill advantage. The one thing I'd like to know just to be sure, what is amp Raiden's AP? If he has AP advantage on top of a oneshot sword, that may give him the edge against Yujiro's variety and skill

 

[BakiHanma18]

Or wait, are we not doing this fight anymore? Are we doing this one AND the BL one, or just the BL one?

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I'm closing this one so we do the BL one

 

[BakiHanma18]

I'm closing this one so we do the BL one

Ah, gotcha. Hit me up when that starts, you know I'm the Earl of Baki at this point OvO

 

[SpookyShadow]

2 Earls of Baki at this point. Don't forget about KGiffoni

 

[NotoriouSoda]

It's also just a speed amp I believe for Raiden

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Honestly the skill gap shouldn't be enough to completely massacre Jack, after all he is the same person who has direct training under Solid Snake who's cloned from the man and myth himself that made Close Quarters Combat, and naturally scales above them all, including but not limited to Big Boss, all the Snakes and Gray Fox. Yujiro definitely has the notable skill advantage but Jack should still be able to tag him and go toe to toe for some time.

 

[Schnee_One]

^Don't forget Solidus snake dude, guy was considered to be the greatest swordsman who ever lived. And he trained Jack as a child

Jack also managed to defeat Solidus, with one blade, while Solidus has twin blades, and a missle firing Exosuot that amped his strength and speed

Raiden still beat him

And that was his less expirienced MGS 2 form

 

[SpookyShadow]

Jack surpassed Solidus by miles in MGS4 already, and this is him in Rising with further enhancements, dude's scary.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Oh yeah totally forgot about Solidus. Man I gotta give Metal Gear another play through tbh

 

[Schnee_One]

@Spooky

Edited my post as well

BTW, about .5 seconds, this is moot because Cyborgs and Cyborg Brains has significantly faster thinking speed due to their computational power, so that's out

Also also, Raiden has a MASSIVE lifting strength advantage. So Yeeting him away if they clash is more then viable.

 

[BakiHanma18]

2 Earls of Baki at this point. Don't forget about KGiffoni

YOU RIGHT MY BOI KG!!! XD

 

[SpookyShadow]

Though you dudes are just lite version... for now. xD

 

[BakiHanma18]

@Spooky
Edited my post as well

BTW, about .5 seconds, this is moot because Cyborgs and Cyborg Brains has significantly faster thinking speed due to their computational power, so that's out

Also also, Raiden has a MASSIVE lifting strength advantage. So Yeeting him away if they clash is more then viable.

But, speed equalized until Raiden amps?

I don't think that's happening with the skill gap, but it's a moot point since this is being killed

 

[SpookyShadow]

He can use Ripper Mode right at the start of battle

 

[Schnee_One]

Speed being equal doesn't prevent how his brain works, unless Yujiro can pull .5 seconds against what is basically a computer.

 

[BakiHanma18]

He can use Ripper Mode right at the start of battle

Right. The only time 0.5 would allow for a free hit is if Yujiro starts with it, but he doesn't IC I think. But 0.5 will still be useful since it basically amps Yujiro reaction speed, since he literally skips his own reactionary phase. That can still be helpful, right?

 

[SpookyShadow]

I don't know bruh, I barely understand that ability :v

 

[Schnee_One]

It's such an incredibly strange ability

 

[BakiHanma18]

I don't know bruh, I barely understand that ability :v

Okay, I've mastered the explanation of 0.5: you skip you'd own reactionary phase

 

[SpookyShadow]

I don't mind if this is Baki, Rakudai or other Bahamuts. I'm used to this really xD

 

[SpookyShadow]

@Baki

Once I thought it was just making opponent unconscious for 0.5 seconds... wtf is that

 

[BakiHanma18]

Baki pretty meh as far as hax until you get to the borderline superpowers the Hanmas have

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

O.5 seconds isn't gonna do much as Schnee pointed out, Raiden's brain is essentially a super computer, naturally Raiden can process a lot more information and a lot quicker than a human.

 

[BakiHanma18]

O.5 seconds isn't gonna do much as Schnee pointed out, Raiden's brain is essentially a super computer, naturally Raiden can process a lot more information and a lot quicker than a human.

Right, but until he amps, speed is equalized. Reaction speed, combat speed, and travel speed. After the amp, he can't just hit him with no resistance, but his not having to process info to react to stuff is basically a decent speed amp

 

[BakiHanma18]

@Baki
Once I thought it was just making opponent unconscious for 0.5 seconds... wtf is that

Okay, that unconscious thing? That's suppose to be the time it takes for the brain to process information, like how you can't react to something or even do something before your brain processes the info that whatever event is occurring. That part naturally occurs to everyone, but apparently the Hanma Brain can override that time period. The whole reason Baki could hit Yujiro is because Yujiro's Brain was processing that Yujiro was about to throw a punch at Baki, but Baki slipped his own reaction process in phase and hit Yujiro while he was processing info. Yujiro then later flexed on Baki by doing it to Baki. Baki used 0.5, but Yujiro basically used it twice to skip the processing phase of using 0.5 to hit Baki first. It's strange when Baki and Yujiro clash 0.5s, but I finally understand

 

[SpookyShadow]

So it's like Killua's Kanmuru or something? Your nervous system and brain processing information doesn't matter anymore?

 

[BakiHanma18]

So it's like Killua's Kanmuru or something? Your nervous system and brain processing information doesn't matter anymore?

Exactly